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Old 08-02-2020, 06:54 AM   #1
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Things are at a boiling point between our countries so I think we should have a thread spanning anything China related.

We’ve been dealing with Covid -Thanks China - and now after the Houston embassy was evicted we have this:

https://m.theepochtimes.com/report-f...y_3445727.html


Report Finds 250 US Collaborators with Chinese Military-Tied Researchers

Soldiers from China's People's Liberation Army march on Red Square during a military parade, which marks the 75th anniversary of the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two, in Moscow on June 24, 2020. (Pavel Golovikin/AFP via Getty Images)
The U.S. academic community has extensively collaborated with Chinese researchers affiliated with the Chinese military, jeopardizing national security, according to a new report.

Analysts at think tank Hoover Institution at Stanford University found 254 papers in which U.S. researchers collaborated with counterparts from seven top universities in China affiliated with the regime’s military, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). They identified 115 U.S. universities and government-backed research labs that worked with these PLA-linked organizations, collaborating on research topics from new energy technologies to aeronautical engineering.

The report released July 30 found instances where the Chinese researcher allegedly tried to conceal their ties to the defense institutes. Some Chinese coauthors also appeared to have worked in classified weapons programs, it said.

It concluded that such collaborations compromised national security because it allowed the PLA-linked institutions to “harvest U.S. S&T [science and technology] research at its source, and divert it to PRC [People’s Republic of China] defense research and weapons program development.”

“The risks to national security are serious since such diversions could erode or eliminate U.S. military superiority with lethal consequences in the event of an armed conflict,” it said.

Any collaboration with these defense universities boosted the regime’s “civil-military fusion” strategy—a military development plan that seeks to integrate private-sector innovations into the PLA’s industrial base, the report said. It added that research partnerships are contrary to U.S. national interest “even if the relevant research is unclassified, considered basic or fundamental, and is ultimately published in open sources.”

The findings came as the Trump administration ramps up efforts to counter Chinese state-sanctioned theft of American research. Last week, it ordered the closure of the Chinese consulate in Houston, accusing of it being a center for espionage. U.S. officials said consulate staff there were involved in numerous efforts over the years to recruit researchers at local biomedical institutions to join Chinese state-backed talent plans, which incentivized them to transfer U.S. intellectual property and know-how to China.

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The justice department has also brought a spate of prosecutions against Chinese and American researchers for allegedly hiding their ties to Chinese talent plans and work for Chinese universities. Recently, at least four Chinese researchers were arrested and charged with visa fraud, with prosecutors alleging they were actually undercover PLA officers. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has interviewed suspected undercover officers in more than 25 cities.

In May, President Donald Trump issued an executive order barring entry to Chinese graduate level or higher students from organizations affiliated with the regime’s civil-military fusion complex.

Hoover analysts, however, warned that the regime is likely to try to circumvent the ban by shifting collaboration online or overseas, or by using collectors from entities not caught by the order.

The report reviewed papers published between January 2013-March 2019 retrieved from a Chinese state-backed database. The research builds upon earlier work by Australian think tank Australian Strategic Policy Institute, which in a 2018 report found that more than 2,500 Chinese military scientists and engineers have traveled abroad to study since 2007, often by masking their military ties.

The Hoover report recommended U.S. research institutions increase due diligence on foreign research collaborations, formulate a set of ethical standards to ensure partnerships don’t aid the military or repressive capabilities of authoritarian regimes.

The seven Chinese universities referred to in the report are among the leading science and technology institutions in the country and have a long history of supporting the Chinese military, it said. They are known as the “Seven Sons of National Defense.”

The report found Chinese coauthors who have worked on projects for the various branches of the PLA, classified weapons development programs, as well as for major Chinese state-run defense companies.

In an apparent effort to mask their ties to the regime’s defense programs, some Chinese researchers used innocuous English labels such as “state key laboratory” instead of the Chinese term “national defense key laboratory” to describe their affiliations, the report found. In other instances, some Chinese coauthors didn’t list any curricula vitae on their faculty webpages, it added.

The report also found that researchers from several national laboratories of the Department of Energy published papers with counterparts from six of the seven Chinese defense universities. Some Chinese students from those universities filed dissertations that claimed to have been supported by the National Health Institute and the U.S. National Science Foundation, it said.

“Our findings stand as monuments to a colossal failure of vision that has prevented the U.S. research enterprise from appreciating the risks that such collaborations posed and from adopting appropriate safeguards of its own accord,” the report said. “Too little has changed in that regard, and many of the same vulnerabilities persist.”

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Look, it's real easy.

If one looks at the history of China, and it's a long one, there are a few common elements.

1) They want stability.

Stability means those in power stay in power. China isn't interested in rocking the internal boat. So much of the stuff that was invented there dodn't go very far, because new stuff rocks the boat.

I've seen historical analysis that argues that the reason Western Europe was so innovative and developed and applied technology far more than any other part of the world was that Western Europe wasn't a single country.

So each country was willing to experiment and try different stuff in an effort to improve their position against their European neighbors.

The fact of the matter is not why didn't China exploit all the stuff they invented, they are the norm for the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe.

The question is why did Western Europe do what it did?"

The lack of a unifying government is the best explanation I've come across.

2) Paranoia about their borders.

China has always considered everyone outside of China to be "barbarians".

They have always had huge concerns about those barbarians effecting China.

Now, when I say Effect, I don't just mean invading, but by introducing new ideas and ways. Stability remember?

The Great Wall is the most obvious aspect of this mentality. But what most don't understand, it wasn't intended primarily as a means to opposed an invasion, but to control movement, both ways, across the border.

In the modern era, the annexation of Tibet and the involvement in the Korean war, reflect the same mind set.

China was not going to accept a western "democratic" government on their border in Korea, so they intervened.

Yes, I understand that the South Korean government wasn't a "democracy" as the West understands it until the 90's or so, but compared to China? nuff said.

Same thing for Tibet. They weren't a democracy, but they didn't follow the Party line and they had the high ground on the Tibetan plateau.

Taking Tibet put the Himalayas between China and any other country. A most formidable barrier.

So what does this say about today's situation?

Well sometime in the 80's and/or 90's China realized that economic power was as important and effective as military power, controlling borders, or holding land to achieve the two criteria numbered above.

So instead of being a "communist" country they are more like the Sopranos.

Use violence when necessary, but mostly build the "business".

What's the "business"?

Well the "Belt and Road" initiative is one example.

They invest in other countries, get their fingers in the pie so deep that the host country can't kick them out if they want.

Sound like the Sopranos?

Doesn't this mean they've violated the stability and border paranoia tenet?

Not at all.

They understand that "borders" are not just lines on a map anymore. They are defined more now by economic activity.

Also, that the only way they can maintain stability at home, is to have a major influence in the rest of the world.

I suspect they drew this conclusion from the fall of Communism in Eastern Europe in the late 80's and early 90's.

One of the driving factors for that was that the people of Eastern Europe could see how much better the lives of the people in Western Europe were.

They asked the obvious question "why not us?"

So China realized they had to improve the lot of some of their population, and increase their economic wealth to "buy them off".

Another Sopranos like action.

But to keep that all working, and maintain stability, they had to be able to influence the economy of the rest of the world.

Their economy has been growing almost like a Ponzi scheme, The existence of Ghost Cities, is but the most obvious example.

If they can't keep that going, then stability is potentially at risk.

In addition to this the Chinese have made most companies surrender their IP to China for the opportunity to sell in the Chinese market.

This coupled with their aggressive commercial espionage has boot strapped much of their technology.

IMHO, there is little doubt that China intends to dominate the world, since they have realized that is the only way to maintain their "borders" and stability.

The simple fact of the matter is that these types of struggles are inherently a zero sum game.

So China's ascendance inherently means other countries subservience.

That would include the US.

I'm not in favor of that.
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