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Old 04-23-2008, 02:31 PM   #31
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I've asked that many times, they just don't ban people here, no matter what. Other sites you can be banned for nothing more than being a Patriot fan, yet on our site they let the fools run around and say whatever they want just to piss Pats fans off. JMO, but I don't think some of these tools here should be allowed a voice on any part of the board. We should start a thread to gather names of posters that feel the same, maybe then the mods would consider what the board wants???
Look I lobbied HARD for Dashoe to earn his membership in here for too long to just outright ban him now!


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Because it is not just cameras that teams have used to get the signals from other teams, and it has also been established that other teams knew the Patriots were doing it. If the defensive coordinator is not smart enough to use counter measures against all of these methods, then he deserves to lose.
Even with that, teams "knew". The thing is...what teams? who's teams? how many of these teams? I think the feeds were used live. Maybe just video recording in the first half, but used for the second half. I don't think any of these tapes matter after the game is over because teams do steal signals....however, I think the Patriots* were using technical hardware to decipher.
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This is pro football not pop warner, if you don't think teams don't know what's going on you're not being very realaistic..
Then why aren't more teams talking about it? The only major quote I have seen here is from Jimmy dumb dumb Johnson
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We always do and you are welcome to do so. My feeling is the majority like having this forum here to collect these types of trolls in.
Are we hurting anything or just having a good time....I apologized to Tilted and anyone else who I thought I hurt their feelings. I think the people here are fun. People like Shasta should be banned for not having fun with people who don't have fun with us!
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Look I lobbied HARD for Dashoe to earn his membership in here for too long to just outright ban him now!


Seriously, this place is like a dive bar. You don't come here expecting to pick up a hot chick. It's cheap, the interior hasn't been redone in years, the bartender is not required to keep an active dental plan and the bathroom has a stall strictly for puking on the seat, NOT in the bowl. Enter at your own risk.
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We always do and you are welcome to do so. My feeling is the majority like having this forum here to collect these types of trolls in.

I don't mind this section of the forum, most good sites have areas that rivals can bang heads, however there should be some limits. A few of these trolls need to be gone. J.M.O.
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My statement is metaphoric in the sense of comparing two totally different situations but the similarity of evidence. People here bash Clemens and the only way we found out about him is because someone held on to the evidence. In the NFL it was destroyed. You cannot seriously feel like evidence should ever be destroyed.
It's not my call. My point was, you're painting with a broad stroke when your response to a meeting of Matt Walsh and representation and the NFL and representation is FINALLY set is, "They cheated, what news?"

If Matt Walsh has nothing of substance than I think it's safe to say some credit is due to the New England franchise. The accusation that this meeting is occuring for is that they didn't just simply tape defensive coordinator's signals but taped a team's walkthrough practice. To me that is a much bigger offense and much more serious.
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Even with that, teams "knew". The thing is...what teams? who's teams? how many of these teams? I think the feeds were used live. Maybe just video recording in the first half, but used for the second half. I don't think any of these tapes matter after the game is over because teams do steal signals....however, I think the Patriots* were using technical hardware to decipher.
Well, you are free to speculate that, but the NFL has stated that is not the case. But that is really immaterial to what I am saying. There are plenty of ways to change signals in game, every quarter, every drive even, that real time info like you propose would be useless too.

Shanahan stated that he usually had signals deciphered by the end of the first quarter.
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Then why aren't more teams talking about it? The only major quote I have seen here is from Jimmy dumb dumb Johnson

Why would they? there's nothing to gain. I saw a show (I think NFL network) about the 'gamesmanship' over the years, teams did all kinds of crazy stuff to get any 'edge' they could.

I think alot of stuff goe's on we don't know about..if Mangini doesn't rat out Belichick do we know about this?

Where do you think Beilichick got this from? I think it Parcells, we all know how big his coaching tree is.

Unlike D22 I don't think the NFL is protecting the patriots, I think most teams do this and doesn't want this to get even bigger.
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It's not my call. My point was, you're painting with a broad stroke when your response to a meeting of Matt Walsh and representation and the NFL and representation is FINALLY set is, "They cheated, what news?"

If Matt Walsh has nothing of substance than I think it's safe to say some credit is due to the New England franchise. The accusation that this meeting is occuring for is that they didn't just simply tape defensive coordinator's signals but taped a team's walkthrough practice. To me that is a much bigger offense and much more serious.
I see where you coming from...However I will never trust . It really does not matter what he says. No man destroys evidence unless he has something to cover it up. I could give two shits if he actually talks or not. This era will always be questioned...
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Well, you are free to speculate that, but the NFL has stated that is not the case. But that is really immaterial to what I am saying. There are plenty of ways to change signals in game, every quarter, every drive even, that real time info like you propose would be useless too.

Shanahan stated that he usually had signals deciphered by the end of the first quarter.
I agree with all of that and think teams should be responsible for changing their signals. Stealing signals has been gone on for 100 years at least.

My argument has and always will remain the same. It is cheating and unfair when a piece of technology becomes involved. It is one thing for a human to try and decipher 4 different people throwing in signals. It is another to have a camera capturing them. Live streaming is so common anymore that 20 people can be working on databasing movements.
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I agree with all of that and think teams should be responsible for changing their signals. Stealing signals has been gone on for 100 years at least.

My argument has and always will remain the same. It is cheating and unfair when a piece of technology becomes involved. It is one thing for a human to try and decipher 4 different people throwing in signals. It is another to have a camera capturing them. Live streaming is so common anymore that 20 people can be working on databasing movements.

Is it really that surprising that with all the Technology in sports today people are actually using it??
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Why would they? there's nothing to gain. I saw a show (I think NFL network) about the 'gamesmanship' over the years, teams did all kinds of crazy stuff to get any 'edge' they could.

I think alot of stuff goe's on we don't know about..if Mangini doesn't rat out Belichick do we know about this?

Where do you think Beilichick got this from? I think it Parcells, we all know how big his coaching tree is.

Unlike D22 I don't think the NFL is protecting the patriots, I think most teams do this and doesn't want this to get even bigger.
That is your perspective and I totally agree with you on it if it is the situation. There needs to be integrity in the game. Instead of destroying tapes, slapping a fine, and trying to write the history...maybe he should be honest with fans. Guess what...baseball just finally came out and was honest with what they know about steroids...ticket sales are up. Honesty and integrity are what is important.

What is there to gain? We are the customers. If I buy into a product, I should know that rules are being followed.
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Is it really that surprising that with all the Technology in sports today people are actually using it??
No, but some of it is not allowed....that is where integrity comes in to play.
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Now we have to wait another 3 WEEKS!!! Are you phukin kiddin me?

Here's the scenario;

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Press: "What about the tapes?"

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Press: " But what was on the tapes."

: "Nothing in Mr. Walsch's possession was found to be a violation of league rules. Any materials relating to the Patriots has been returned to the Patriots. Mr. Walsch has been very cooperative."

Press: "Did he have any tapes?"

: "The materials Mr. Walsch provided have been reviewed and we found no evidence of any violation of leage policies. All materials have been returned to the rightful owners."

Blah, blah, blah...he won't say whether there is a tape or not.

The Walsch interview will go pretty much the same way.

What's with this 3 weeks? Why not just send the tapes Fedex? WTF is going on?
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