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Old 01-07-2008, 09:43 AM   #16
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Brady also made Deion Branch and David Givens, resurrected David Patten, turned Troy Brown into quite possibly the greatest Patriot of all time, and made Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell better (until RC reverted to being "Riccoche" in the biggest game of his career). Compare each of those receivers' stats without Brady to with Brady, and tell me that he's not a "real" QB.

And if a TD/INT ratio of +42 is "Not hard to do in todays QB protectected league..." then why hasn't everyone else done it? Why haven't your heroes Marc Bulger, Carson Palmer, Kurt Warner, etc. etc., all those guys you like to name-drop as better than Brady done it?
This is a great post.

Every receiver that I can think of that Brady had to pass to, had better numbers with the Patriots than on the teams they either came from or went to. I could make a list, but I think we all know what it would look like, so I won't bother...

D22's "Moss makes the QB" is lame and the facts fly in the face of his theory.

If D22 wants to hold onto this paper tiger, let him support his argument by showing how Brady's pervious receivers fared with other QB's, and how Moss fared with other QB's.

He loves to preach "the facts", but the facts..this year in particular...have buried his theories....and his refusal to acknowledge that he was wrong, and by altering and changing his standards as he goes, "the facts" have also buried his credibility.
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Hey dumb dumb - Brady had 3 Lombardi's without Moss - more than Marino and Manning combined...I guess he has no talent like Marino and Manning

Why do I picture a fat old man in a gravy stained wife beater foaming at the mouth in his moms basement

Sad pathetic old fool
Dipshit...3 Lombardi's is a Team accomplishment...not Tom Brady's...if you want to credit anyone for those rings, credit Adam Venitieri or Matt Estrella

LMFAO!!! Frauds..and stop putting Brady's the 1 season wonder with the "Hail Moss Pass" in the same sentence with the truly great QB's
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Originally posted by Baron Samedi on 01-07-2008 at 09:43 AM

D22's "Moss makes the QB" is lame and the facts fly in the face of his theory.

If D22 wants to hold onto this paper tiger, let him support his argument by showing how Brady's pervious receivers fared with other QB's, and how Moss fared with other QB's.

He loves to preach "the facts", but the facts..this year in particular...have buried his theories....and his refusal to acknowledge that he was wrong, and by altering and changing his standards as he goes, "the facts" have also buried his credibility.
Baron...your sick !!!...can you please prove as I did how Randy Moss didn't make Peddington a 1st round pick...and Dante Cullpepper a top 3 NFL QB...please as I did post just the facts...

I posted Cullpeppers average career stats & this is not his best year... 8 extra 2 yard TD passes to make 23 don't make for any headlines. This was an average year for Moss...because he had an average QB.

Brady's 7 year average being 8th in QB rating proves hes not even a top 5. Without Moss does Brady even have 35 TD's...that answer is pretty much a no...

Were have you proved your credibility ... by merely saying I am wrong makes your bias Brady loving oppinion that isn't worth the toilet paper you wiped it off of right...

This record is ONly" because of Moss...and the undefeated season...Brady & this team are half ass & mediocre at best in the Run game & defense...and Moss & 23 TDs is the whole differance...thats fine & theres nothing wrong with it...Im ony merely saying it the way it is...& its pretty obvious to rest to the word...its just you fans don't want to acknowledge it...Its OK really !!
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Originally posted by Dolphin22 on 01-07-2008 at 10:13 AM
Dipshit...3 Lombardi's is a Team accomplishment...not Tom Brady's...if you want to credit anyone for those rings, credit Adam Venitieri or Matt Estrella

LMFAO!!! Frauds..and stop putting Brady's the 1 season wonder with the "Hail Moss Pass" in the same sentence with the truly great QB's
Dumb dumb - Brady did it with receivers not nearly as good as Rand Moss....I see logic isn't one of your strong points...

Marino was 'truly' great - he lead his team to ZERO Championships and an 8 - 10 playoff record...

Poor dumb dumb
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:35 PM   #21
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Brady's 7 year average being 8th in QB rating proves hes not even a top 5. Without Moss does Brady even have 35 TD's...that answer is pretty much a no...
And who are the other 7? I would like to do a comparison of their receivers to Brady's the last 6 years.

By your very own theory, for your argument to hold water, the better the receiver(s), the better the QB. So for this comment to stand, you need to show that Brady had as good or better receivers than the other 7.

Does Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, Stokley, and whomever else is catching the ball make Peyton Manning? According to your stance, they do.
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Were have you proved your credibility ... by merely saying I am wrong makes your bias Brady loving oppinion that isn't worth the toilet paper you wiped it off of right...
My standards don't change. Brady is the best QB in recent history for the same reason Montana was a greater QB than Marino. Right from the beginning. I don't change my standards to meet changing circumstances, as you do.

Montana got it done when the game was on the line..he led his team to win the tough, close games, and led his team to championships.

That's not to say that Marino wasn't a great QB, but he takes a back seat to Montana, and now Brady...for the same reasons. Leadership, and performance under pressure.

You set a bar for Brady to cross to be considered great..the record books. He met those standards this year, and you are looking for a way out, rather than acknowledging that Brady met your criteria.
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Dumb dumb - Brady did it with receivers not nearly as good as Rand Moss....I see logic isn't one of your strong points...

Marino was 'truly' great - he lead his team to ZERO Championships and an 8 - 10 playoff record...

Poor dumb dumb
Therick why don't you just go back to your room & keep playing your Madden 07 ,,,and quit trying to make a point with the big boys...you brain might hurt itself...
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Dipshit...3 Lombardi's is a Team accomplishment...not Tom Brady's...
2 SB MVPs then.
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My standards don't change. Brady is the best QB in recent history for the same reason Montana was a greater QB than Marino. Right from the beginning. I don't change my standards to meet changing circumstances, as you do.

Montana got it done when the game was on the line..he led his team to win the tough, close games, and led his team to championships.

That's not to say that Marino wasn't a great QB, but he takes a back seat to Montana, and now Brady...for the same reasons. Leadership, and performance under pressure.

You set a bar for Brady to cross to be considered great..the record books. He met those standards this year, and you are looking for a way out, rather than acknowledging that Brady met your criteria.
Marino is alltime 2nd by 1 game to Elway for all time combacks with a team with no defense or Running game...and unlike Brady he used his talent to do it...not the referees

Again you & the NFL may need to promote superbowl rings and attach them to single players as if they actually won them...but its a team accomplishment...ask Joe Montanna himself...he'll tell you

But if you really need to credit 1 person, that would definately be Adam Venetiei...without him not only you don't win 3 Superbowls with his last minute game winning kicks,the Patriots don't even get to the big games without him...

LMFAO!!! Thats why Kraft let him go...he was taking to much of the glory off the "Great" Tommy Terrific' story the QB with "ZERO" passing records & 3 Team "Fraud" Rings

HOF Adam Veneiteiri The greatest Clutch Kicker in History...
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Therick why don't you just go back to your room & keep playing your Madden 07 ,,,and quit trying to make a point with the big boys...you brain might hurt itself...
Hey dumb dumb - it appears 'you brain might hurt itself'

You are one dumb mother phucker
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2 SB MVPs then.
I guess if you want to give a MVP award for throwing 80 yards with yds 60 after the catch...yea!!! sure...he s an MVP...

If you want to give an MVP award for a QB that can only get the ball in FG range so his kicker can make 40+ yarder under pressure to win the game...sure He's an MVP !!

Tom Brady is a solid top 10 QB all 7 years of his career...no doubt...but in the fraud catagory & overhyped player award...he is definatly #1
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Marino is alltime 2nd by 1 game to Elway for all time combacks with a team with no defense or Running game...and unlike Brady he used his talent to do it...not the referees

Again you & the NFL may need to promote superbowl rings and attach them to single players as if they actually won them...but its a team accomplishment...ask Joe Montanna himself...he'll tell you

But if you really need to credit 1 person, that would definately be Adam Venetiei...without him not only you don't win 3 Superbowls with his last minute game winning kicks,the Patriots don't even get to the big games without him...

LMFAO!!! Thats why Kraft let him go...he was taking to much of the glory off the "Great" Tommy Terrific' story the QB with "ZERO" passing records & 3 Team "Fraud" Rings

HOF Adam Veneiteiri The greatest Clutch Kicker in History...
Is this an example of 'you brain working'?

If it is you might wan't to take a bath with an electrical appliance you brain dead idiot
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Hey dumb dumb - it appears 'you brain might hurt itself'

You are one dumb mother phucker
Therick why don't you just post when you actually have something to add to the topic...and keep your hands out of your pants when writing about Brady...

its getting pretty obvious you get a chubby every time Tom Brady is mentioned...I hope you watch the Patriot games in your room with the door locked so your mother doesn't see you doing that !!
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Therick why don't you just post when you actually have something to add to the topic...and keep your hands out of your pants when writing about Brady...

its getting pretty obvious you get a chubby every time Tom Brady is mentioned...I hope you watch the Patriot games in your room with the door locked so your mother doesn't see you doing that !!
Say's the guy with the same old tired schtick...

Marinos great, Manning great, Brady suck, Moss punk ass, referee's favoritism, Kraft contracts....blah blah.....

Why don't you add something dumb dumb other than the same old tired shit...you've been proven wrong and stupid a few thousand times, you either ignore it, dismiss it or simply don't get it..witch is it? It can't be both...



Brady sucks - he has no records - Brady still sucks even though he has records - it's all the'olly oop to Moss'...

Witch is it?
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