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Old 09-08-2018, 02:38 PM   #1651
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I can't think of any position on the Patriots this year that I would call "Super Bowl Caliber".

Maybe Brady....but so far in 2018 he's been pretty half ass, so I expect to see a half ass Brady on the field.

Half ass Brady may still be Super Bowl caliber....but I don't see any other part of the team that is, anyway.

I've been known to be a cynic.
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Old 09-08-2018, 02:51 PM   #1652
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True but wasn't his lack of interest based on him being a part-time player? Imagine it could have been different if BB offered him a bigger role.

Also replacing Blount with Gillislee was a shit move.
No, his issue was the responsibilities of his role. He wanted to be in a system where he was allowed to "pin his ears back", as the cliche goes. Aside from completely changing the scheme, there was no way to retain him.

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I can't think of any position on the Patriots this year that I would call "Super Bowl Caliber".
TE? RB? Safety? These are undoubtedly SB caliber.

More to the point, NE nearly won the whole thing last year with a defense that had substantially less talent than what they have going into this year. Playoffs always require some luck, but there is little reason to be more pessimistic about this team that you were about the team last December.
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Old 09-08-2018, 03:22 PM   #1653
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I expect Gronk will be hurt by playoffs.

Aside from that....meh. Good, not great. I don't put the Pats receivers or running backs even in the top half of the league...even when Edelman comes back.

Defense is definitely NOT top 50% of the league.

I am factoring in injuries and depth. I think what talent the Pats have is paper thin, and I doubt the few key pieces will al remain healthy all year.
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I'll bet the Pats get as much production this season from the RB group as a whole as any other team in the league. Who cares if it comes from one guy or four other than guessing on your fantasy team? Id say it's better to get it from four different guys.
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True but wasn't his lack of interest based on him being a part-time player? Imagine it could have been different if BB offered him a bigger role.

Also replacing Blount with Gillislee was a shit move.
Long is a backup now...

He did most likely get paid more from Phil though...
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True but wasn't his lack of interest based on him being a part-time player? Imagine it could have been different if BB offered him a bigger role.
He's just a part time player now. He just wanted his salary doubled, and got it.
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I expect Gronk will be hurt by playoffs.

Aside from that....meh. Good, not great. I don't put the Pats receivers or running backs even in the top half of the league...even when Edelman comes back.

Defense is definitely NOT top 50% of the league.

I am factoring in injuries and depth. I think what talent the Pats have is paper thin, and I doubt the few key pieces will al remain healthy all year.
I suspect you are falling victim to Ihaven'theardofhim-ism.

Aside from that, the fact remains that this team was a play away from winning the championship last year, so clearly some of the guys who don't impress you are championship caliber. Or do you rate Cooks, Butler and Solder that highly?

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He's just a part time player now. He just wanted his salary doubled, and got it.
He wanted to rush with minimal run responsibilities. That role wasn't here. It is what it is. Clearly he made the right decision, good for him.
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I suspect you are falling victim to Ihaven'theardofhim-ism.

Aside from that, the fact remains that this team was a play away from winning the championship last year, so clearly some of the guys who don't impress you are championship caliber. Or do you rate Cooks, Butler and Solder that highly?.
This. When did Solder suddenly become a Hall of Famer? He was a shitty version of Matt Light (who wasn't any great shakes either), and now he's being lionized like he's the lovechild of John Hannah and Bruce Armstrong.

I suppose since Butler was the lovechild of Darrelle Revis and Ty Law, i shouldn't really be surprised, should I?
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Ok so one thing is there is literally no way the lb corps could be worse this year than it was last year, and the dl should be better.
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Ok so one thing is there is literally no way the lb corps could be worse this year than it was last year, and the dl should be better.
Well, the season is early...with injuries and whatnot.

The Bently guy could be a nice player.
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Ok so one thing is there is literally no way the lb corps could be worse this year than it was last year, and the dl should be better.
Two (propable) injuries will make this untrue.
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Two (propable) injuries will make this untrue.
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Totally agree about Solder. I mean how many plays on this forum on the gameday threads would we be all throwing our hands in the air at yet another D lineman or linebacjker arcing around Solder and getting to TB? He was a human turnstiles at times.

He's a good dude, dealth with a lot with his kid and everyone liked him, but a top level O Lineman he was not.
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Interesting story that Gronk resisted a trade away from NE. The Pats had started discussions with several interested parties but Gronk said no, he wanted to stay and only wanted to play football catching passes from TB and did not want to play for another coach or team. if he couldn't do that he was going to retire.

He had a sit down with BB and Gronk then announced he was back.

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