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Old 08-04-2020, 11:34 PM   #31
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Tucker Carlson opened with this tonite. Worth searching and finding.

Key note: fentanyl overdoses have been attributed to levels of 3 nanoliters.

Floyd’s? 11 nanoliters.
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Old 08-05-2020, 06:46 AM   #32
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Vid link is here. An interesting take.

Must see at the end of the clip. AG Ellison flat out says his rationale for locking down this vid clip is to garner a successful prosecution. Just as in the Flynn case, there seems to be a mindset on the Dem side that it’s perfectly acceptable to suppress or flat out hide any exculpatory evidence that makes your case difficult to prosecute, despite Brady laws requiring just that. It seems to be a very common theme.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker...-floyd-footage

Tucker reacts to leaked George Floyd footage: 'Why haven't we seen the rest of the video until right now?'

'Floyd's death changed everything. It was a pivot point in American history,' he said

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The American people should have been allowed to see police body camera footage of the moments before Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin pinned George Floyd's neck under his knee much sooner than this week, Tucker Carlson argued Tuesday.

Footage from the cameras of former rookie officers Thomas Lane and J. Alexander Kueng was obtained by the Daily Mail and published Monday. The video shows about 18 minutes from Kueng's body camera and 10 minutes from Lane's.

The footage shows four Minneapolis police officers struggling with Floyd this past May 25 before one of them, Chauvin, ultimately pins Floyd to the ground in a scene that sparked protests worldwide.

POLICE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE OF GEORGE FLOYD ARREST LEAKED, PUBLISHED DESPITE DISTRIBUTION BAN

"The catechism has been written and it's in stone. 'George Floyd is a martyr, period' ... " the "Tucker Carlson Tonight" host said. "But in America, that's not good enough. It's not a real answer. In free societies, citizens have a right to know why things are changing so quickly.

"What exactly is the basis of this cultural revolution that we're all living through?" Carlson asked. "Once again, it may be some time before we can answer those questions with certainty. Maybe we never will. We'll probably debate them for decades. But more facts are always the first step toward establishing what the truth is ...

"Floyd's death has been used to justify a nationwide convulsion of violence, destruction, looting, in some cases killing ..." Carlson went on. "In addition to unprecedented levels of political upheaval, the wholesale reordering of our most basic institutions, Floyd's death changed everything. It was a pivot point in American history. No matter what your side you're on, that's very clear at this point. So with all of that in mind ... it's striking how little we really know months later about how exactly George Floyd died."

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Carlson then played clips of the body camera footage. Prior to its publication by the Daily Mail, the video was only available for viewing at the Hennepin County Courthouse, by appointment only.

"You can decide for yourself what you think of that video. And we hope you will. That's the whole point of having a news network, to bring you the facts and allow you to decide what they amount to. We hope that takes place in this case," Carlson said. "So the question is, why haven't we seen the rest of the video until right now? The video seems relevant, particularly considering all that happened next."

Fox News' Sam Dorman and Louis Casiano contributed to this report.
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Love Tucker Carlson, when the left goes after someone so vehemently like him, you know he's doing something right.
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Love Tucker Carlson, when the left goes after someone so vehemently like him, you know he's doing something right.
Love him or hate him, love his thoughts on policies or hate them, he tends to make a very sound argument in his monologues. I donít know how youíd argue with his opinion here.
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First, you read or better yet processed what you read, incorrectly. It clearly states he had fentanyl intoxication. They found recent meth use. He was high on fentanyl.

https://www.dea.gov/factsheets/fentanyl



https://www.dea.gov/factsheets/methamphetamine



Which one did it LOOK like he was on?

Iíll take fentanyl for $1000 Alex.

Second, Iím not a first responder. Iím not a Doctor. Iím not a sufferer. But EVERY single suicide by cop type situation I have witnessed on video sure shows an angry, agitated, aggressive individual. Definitely not a guy looking like heís about to take a nap on the street.

You have clearly had plenty of experience it sounds with both. Iím just listing what I know and have seen, all second hand regarding these circumstances. So if Iím off base Iíll defer. Iím just going of my visual experiences from afar.
Simple yes or no statement that will add some clarity to this for you - Do you believe that George Floyd was acting like a man in his right mind in that video? Yes or no?

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never touched a drug but beer and booze - hell I don't take painkillers, I enjoy it because the stuff scares me - so I have no idea other than I once lived with a bipolar substance abuser.

can I ask how you suggest he be handled? not being a dick, I really am interested. I know I've had two on an arm and been placed into a cruiser I didn't exactly fit into but I was compliant when going in and it hurt like a MOFO. I can't imagine being high, paranoid, and believing they were going to shoot him.
How about any fucking way but the way they actually handled him? There were more of them than there was of him and they were all armed. Try sitting on the guyís back and calling for a van to pick him up until they get there. Iíd think the majority of ways to handle someone who is obviously not in his right mind at that point would be better than putting a knee into his neck for over 8 minutes and acting surprised when the guy croaks.
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Still can't defend of their actions. Their the reason behind the whole Defund the police stupidity.
Nah. A lack of a quality education (I donít count faggy liberal arts degrees as an ďeducationĒ) as well a lack of respect for authority which can probably be blamed on the lack of a two-parent household in some poorer communities are the reasons behind that movement. Donít pay it much mind even if the press is. Those people are fucking morons, lunatics, or some combination of both of those things and they are definitely in the minority. Itís just that stories about them garner more clicks and ad revenue than your regular run-of-the-mill politically themed stories, so the news outlets shove the lunatic fringe down our throats.
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How about any fucking way but the way they actually handled him? There were more of them than there was of him and they were all armed. Try sitting on the guyís back and calling for a van to pick him up until they get there. Iíd think the majority of ways to handle someone who is obviously not in his right mind at that point would be better than putting a knee into his neck for over 8 minutes and acting surprised when the guy croaks.
1st his murder, and thats what it was, was wrong - no defense for his death

but are you saying every doped up cat looking to get out of being arrested can start saying he can't breath so they will let him go since I am of the belief he was not getting into any vehicle except his own. so you think a cat strung up on drugs should be just let go and placed back into his car, free to drive and possibly kill someone? Because he was not going by Ambulance, he was not going by Paddywagon (racist term), he was not going by cruiser.

so you are the man with all the answers -


how do you subdue him and take him in?
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1st his murder, and thats what it was, was wrong - no defense for his death

but are you saying every doped up cat looking to get out of being arrested can start saying he can't breath so they will let him go since I am of the belief he was not getting into any vehicle except his own. so you think a cat strung up on drugs should be just let go and placed back into his car, free to drive and possibly kill someone? Because he was not going by Ambulance, he was not going by Paddywagon (racist term), he was not going by cruiser.

so you are the man with all the answers -


how do you subdue him and take him in?
Rodney King was hopped up on meth when he was approached by LAPD.

Neither King nor Floyd obeyed the cops when told to stop resisting.

My Dad always told me, if a cop says "put your hands in the air" you put your damn hands in the air. Period
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1st his murder, and thats what it was, was wrong - no defense for his death

but are you saying every doped up cat looking to get out of being arrested can start saying he can't breath so they will let him go since I am of the belief he was not getting into any vehicle except his own. so you think a cat strung up on drugs should be just let go and placed back into his car, free to drive and possibly kill someone? Because he was not going by Ambulance, he was not going by Paddywagon (racist term), he was not going by cruiser.

so you are the man with all the answers -


how do you subdue him and take him in?
First, the bolded part was high comedy. Thank you for that. I definitely needed that laugh today. I’m assuming/hoping that was humor since there isn’t anyway that anyone with an IQ above 70 would believe I’m arguing that point. I’m also assuming you’d be intelligent enough to not just simply drop a nice, little straw man here.

Secondly, I detailed one of the ways. Another way would have been simply to overpower him and keep him in the back seat. Again, he’s outnumbered. Another way would be to call for back-up and trying to talk him down. The man’s hands were behind his back and he wasn’t armed. Time is your friend here. Just about anything they could have done would have been better than what they did.

Lastly, I’m not a man with all the answers. I’m a businessman and a project manager. Not a cop. I do, however, know what the wrong answer was. It was the answer that was so bad, it united liberals and conservatives for a few days in the year 2020... until the Antifa baristas took over, at least.
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Rodney King was hopped up on meth when he was approached by LAPD.

Neither King nor Floyd obeyed the cops when told to stop resisting.

My Dad always told me, if a cop says "put your hands in the air" you put your damn hands in the air. Period
I'm guilty of not listening a couple times so I can't say much but drugged up is not mental illness and getting them off the road and out of the vehicle they were driving is very important.
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Rodney King was hopped up on meth when he was approached by LAPD.

Neither King nor Floyd obeyed the cops when told to stop resisting.

My Dad always told me, if a cop says "put your hands in the air" you put your damn hands in the air. Period
Yes, generally speaking everyone should cooperate with the cops. Some people (regular people) have an easier time with that than other people (drug addicts/people of unsound mind). Generally speaking, the former crowd has an easier time with just about everything than the latter crowd. Floyd was in the latter crowd.
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First, the bolded part was high comedy. Thank you for that. I definitely needed that laugh today. Iím assuming/hoping that was humor since there isnít anyway that anyone with an IQ above 70 would believe Iím arguing that point. Iím also assuming youíd be intelligent enough to not just simply drop a nice, little straw man here.

Secondly, I detailed one of the ways. Another way would have been simply to overpower him and keep him in the back seat. Again, heís outnumbered. Another way would be to call for back-up and trying to talk him down. The manís hands were behind his back and he wasnít armed. Time is your friend here. Just about anything they could have done would have been better than what they did.

Lastly, Iím not a man with all the answers. Iím a businessman and a project manager. Not a cop. I do, however, know what the wrong answer was. It was the answer that was so bad, it united liberals and conservatives for a few days in the year 2020... until the Antifa baristas took over, at least.
we all agree it was wrong to kneel on the guy.

but up to that point - these two and later 4 cops were handling it pretty calmly. They tried to talk him into the cruiser.

Now do you really think he was going to willfully step into an ambulance that would be his uber to the police station?

in a perfect police world, they call the ambulance for patient transport,what if he rips it up fighting them because he showed not one once of compliant behavior and that Ambulance was needed to respond to a call? does that next life not matter?

IMO he was only driving himself away from there - he was not letting them take him. High is not mentally ill. often they are tied together but George was wrong not to be compliant from the get go. He was so high he was irrational, not mentally ill.

I think they could have put him in a van transport but would he have ended up like Freddie Grey falling over? A cruiser is a safer vehicle than shackled to a bench.

plus a wagon stinks, all the old drunks puke and shit themselves and they do not clean it properly.
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Simple yes or no statement that will add some clarity to this for you - Do you believe that George Floyd was acting like a man in his right mind in that video? Yes or no?

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How about any fucking way but the way they actually handled him? There were more of them than there was of him and they were all armed. Try sitting on the guyís back and calling for a van to pick him up until they get there. Iíd think the majority of ways to handle someone who is obviously not in his right mind at that point would be better than putting a knee into his neck for over 8 minutes and acting surprised when the guy croaks.
To me? No. Iíll default to the arresting officers, who likely see this once or twice per shift. They ask him in the middle of it all ďare you on something?Ē Not ďdo you have mental illness?Ē As a first responder Iím sure theyíve seen both countless times and have a decent shot at identifying the symptoms on the fly.

To mikie, is anyone disputing this? You seem to be having an argument nobody is trying to give you. I havenít seen anyone in the history of ever say the proper technique here would be to kneel on his neck for 8 minutes.

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Nah. A lack of a quality education (I donít count faggy liberal arts degrees as an ďeducationĒ) as well a lack of respect for authority which can probably be blamed on the lack of a two-parent household in some poorer communities are the reasons behind that movement. Donít pay it much mind even if the press is. Those people are fucking morons, lunatics, or some combination of both of those things and they are definitely in the minority. Itís just that stories about them garner more clicks and ad revenue than your regular run-of-the-mill politically themed stories, so the news outlets shove the lunatic fringe down our throats.
Agree

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Rodney King was hopped up on meth when he was approached by LAPD.

Neither King nor Floyd obeyed the cops when told to stop resisting.

My Dad always told me, if a cop says "put your hands in the air" you put your damn hands in the air. Period
You nailed the problem.

Your dad told you.

How can you be a dad telling a child with 4 different mommas and eleventeen children in every corner of the country?
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To mikie, is anyone disputing this? You seem to be having an argument nobody is trying to give you. I havenít seen anyone in the history of ever say the proper technique here would be to kneel on his neck for 8 minutes.
I think one POS cop screwed over a country and we need to figure out how to arrest a non-compliant person without beating the piss out of them or killing them in anger like Chauvin. I am looking for solutions to guys like Floyd, or Eric Garner, big guys who resist.
looking for a way.

stun gun is too much force, what is allowed?

also all these partial videos are only used to fuel the flames of anger.
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we all agree it was wrong to kneel on the guy.

but up to that point - these two and later 4 cops were handling it pretty calmly. They tried to talk him into the cruiser.
Yeah, they really knocked it out of the park all the way around. It was a fine example of policing up until the murder.

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Now do you really think he was going to willfully step into an ambulance that would be his uber to the police station?
We will never know. If he doesnít, you shove him in there with the four cops and multiple EMTs and send him on his way. Stuff like that happens every day.

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in a perfect police world, they call the ambulance for patient transport,what if he rips it up fighting them because he showed not one once of compliant behavior and that Ambulance was needed to respond to a call?
They deal with people like Floyd every day. So do the cops. And what is Floyd in this scenario? The Incredible Hulk? Youíre beginning to sound like youíre making excuses for these guys.

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does that next life not matter?
What? What does this have to do with the cops treating him better than they did?

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IMO he was only driving himself away from there - he was not letting them take him. High is not mentally ill. often they are tied together but George was wrong not to be compliant from the get go. He was so high he was irrational, not mentally ill.
Iíve already posted a referenced article from the government which goes over the correlation between mental illness in people who abuse drugs. Further, cops will often treat drug addicts in much the same way they treat the mentally ill during encounters in which the suspect is being questioned for a non-violent crime. Reason? Theyíre not in their right mind. Theyíre not in a normal frame of mind. So theyíre treated differently.

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I think they could have put him in a van transport but would he have ended up like Freddie Grey falling over? A cruiser is a safer vehicle than shackled to a bench.
Every situation needs to be judged on its own merits. The Grey encounter was different than this encounter and future encounters will be different than both encounters. This is a red herring, though, since it holds no relevance to Floydís situation.

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plus a wagon stinks, all the old drunks puke and shit themselves and they do not clean it properly.
LMAO, I wonít argue that. I see you, too, are a man of culture with that experience under his belt.
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