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Old 10-25-2019, 12:22 PM   #526
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Don't let the propaganda confuse you!

Free Speech 100%!

Government cannot be allowed to be the arbiter of speech, in any role, in any circumstance, whatsoever! All you will end up with is propaganda being declared factual, and anything that doesn't suit the government agenda being criminalized!

This is what the government and the deep state want, and is the very reason why they effectively repealed the Smith-Mundt Act in 2012, removing the law that barred government from propagandizing it's own citizens!

You want to know why the last 3 years have been what they are? That's the reason. The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012.

What you are witnessing now is those who are most impressionable succumbing to Deep State Propaganda, both in favor of it's own Agenda, an the demonization and censorship of any and all speech that is a threat to it's agenda...whether true or not is entirely irrelevant.

That's why, if you never take anything else of my rants regarding free speech, please take this to heart and remember it;

Free speech is not dependant on truth, nor on morality, nor on political correctness! Free speech ONLY exists to protect speech that others want silenced, ESPECIALLY the government or the majority. Beyond that, there are no standards for what qualifies for free speech, because it is a RIGHT, not a PRIVILEDGE.

I know, it seems so obvious, but it is so easily obfuscated that most people are easily confused.

NEVER, EVER compromise on that. People will attack you by declaring that if you support free speech, then you agree with it. That's the standard socialist attack on this right.

It's like saying that if you like art, then you must like the most obscene, most offensive, and the least talented art there is, right?

It's the usual false moral equivalence...if you like driving, then you must like drunk drivers running over children on bicycles.

If you love football, then you must love football players that rape women and beat children.

Don't fall for that crap. That is the standard socialist/marxist tactic to get people to surrender their rights, by associating rights and liberties with moral repugnancy. There is no limit and no right that cannot be compromised in this way, and you will always be equated with moral repugnancy if you refuse to compromise your rights...and by that, I mean that if you want to defend and hold your right to free speech, you must defend nazi's, racists, and whomever else' same rights.

The leftists will attack you every time. "If you defend a nazi's right to free speech, then you must be a nazi yourself and love what he is saying". That's how they get you to reject your own freedom and liberty...all they have to do is get you to reject the freedoms and liberties of others, the low hanging fruit.


....and the SOLUTION IS NOT GOVERNMENT ARBITRATING SPEECH! !? If you think that can possibly end well in any universe at all, you are already lost.

The solution is the same as most solutions, responsibility for your words and actions, in the form of liability.

Government isn't the answer to abuse of free speech, class action lawsuits are. Civil Suits are. Boycotts are.

Every time citizens want government to do for them what they should do for themselves, they will get fucked. Every time. Citizens need to correct things themselves...not ask government to do it for them...because there is a always a price to be paid in personal liberty from the government, and the price is one that is paid forever...you never get it back.
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Don't let the propaganda confuse you!

Free Speech 100%!

Government cannot be allowed to be the arbiter of speech, in any role, in any circumstance, whatsoever! All you will end up with is propaganda being declared factual, and anything that doesn't suit the government agenda being criminalized!

This is what the government and the deep state want, and is the very reason why they effectively repealed the Smith-Mundt Act in 2012, removing the law that barred government from propagandizing it's own citizens!

You want to know why the last 3 years have been what they are? That's the reason. The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012.

What you are witnessing now is those who are most impressionable succumbing to Deep State Propaganda, both in favor of it's own Agenda, an the demonization and censorship of any and all speech that is a threat to it's agenda...whether true or not is entirely irrelevant.

That's why, if you never take anything else of my rants regarding free speech, please take this to heart and remember it;

Free speech is not dependant on truth, nor on morality, nor on political correctness! Free speech ONLY exists to protect speech that others want silenced, ESPECIALLY the government or the majority. Beyond that, there are no standards for what qualifies for free speech, because it is a RIGHT, not a PRIVILEDGE.

I know, it seems so obvious, but it is so easily obfuscated that most people are easily confused.

NEVER, EVER compromise on that. People will attack you by declaring that if you support free speech, then you agree with it. That's the standard socialist attack on this right.

It's like saying that if you like art, then you must like the most obscene, most offensive, and the least talented art there is, right?

It's the usual false moral equivalence...if you like driving, then you must like drunk drivers running over children on bicycles.

If you love football, then you must love football players that rape women and beat children.

Don't fall for that crap. That is the standard socialist/marxist tactic to get people to surrender their rights, by associating rights and liberties with moral repugnancy. There is no limit and no right that cannot be compromised in this way, and you will always be equated with moral repugnancy if you refuse to compromise your rights...and by that, I mean that if you want to defend and hold your right to free speech, you must defend nazi's, racists, and whomever else' same rights.

The leftists will attack you every time. "If you defend a nazi's right to free speech, then you must be a nazi yourself and love what he is saying". That's how they get you to reject your own freedom and liberty...all they have to do is get you to reject the freedoms and liberties of others, the low hanging fruit.


....and the SOLUTION IS NOT GOVERNMENT ARBITRATING SPEECH! !? If you think that can possibly end well in any universe at all, you are already lost.

The solution is the same as most solutions, responsibility for your words and actions, in the form of liability.

Government isn't the answer to abuse of free speech, class action lawsuits are. Civil Suits are. Boycotts are.

Every time citizens want government to do for them what they should do for themselves, they will get fucked. Every time. Citizens need to correct things themselves...not ask government to do it for them...because there is a always a price to be paid in personal liberty from the government, and the price is one that is paid forever...you never get it back.


Great post!

Thanks for the enlightenment.

I guess civil suits would be the proper path. If a newspaper spews page after page of print lies, purposely intended to weaken an opponent of whom they endorse, they should be held liable to the cost of those print pages. Fvck you and your fine print caption retraction at the bottom of page 8 when you devoted multiple days of front page and multiple follow up pages. Calculate that cost. Maybe even set treble damages. And sue away.

Same with broadcast coverage, where the penalties could easily enter the hundreds of millions of dollars.

It’s high time to hold these intentional suppliers of lies and untruths accountable. They are unjustly impacting our elections. What they are banging on the table about for the past 3 years.
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Old 10-30-2019, 10:09 AM   #528
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Weren't the Democrats staunch proponents of the 1st Amendment?
Yes, until the neo-liberals took over the party.

Now they are pro censorship, pro war, pro wall street.

Today's democrats are what the Civil Rights liberals were trying to defeat.Today's democrats are the opposite of the Civil Rights Peace Activist democrats of the 60's and 70's.

Today's democrats are the book burning war mongering corporate proxies.

Even the Bernie Bros have succumbed to the party machine. Solidarity over values. That's always been the leftist way, and easily corrupted. The solidarity psyche makes it easy...all you have to do is corrupt the leadership, and the masses will fall in line in solidarity and corruption themselves. Works every time, in every nation.
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I have often wondered why we need 435 Reps. Not too long ago I think it was AOC that said if you were going to stray from the dem voting strategy you were going to be primaried. If that is the case why not just have the vote per state for party instead of person. That way look at all the money saved on staff, salaries, benefits, housing. Heck, we could rent out the congressional buildings and maybe make a small profit. There would be one person from each party in D.C. and they would decide everything. Isn't that what she was calling for?
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I have often wondered why we need 435 Reps. Not too long ago I think it was AOC that said if you were going to stray from the dem voting strategy you were going to be primaried. If that is the case why not just have the vote per state for party instead of person. That way look at all the money saved on staff, salaries, benefits, housing. Heck, we could rent out the congressional buildings and maybe make a small profit. There would be one person from each party in D.C. and they would decide everything. Isn't that what she was calling for?
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I have often wondered why we need 435 Reps. Not too long ago I think it was AOC that said if you were going to stray from the dem voting strategy you were going to be primaried. If that is the case why not just have the vote per state for party instead of person. That way look at all the money saved on staff, salaries, benefits, housing. Heck, we could rent out the congressional buildings and maybe make a small profit. There would be one person from each party in D.C. and they would decide everything. Isn't that what she was calling for?
Kidding?

Right?
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I am only noting how the dem and rep congress treat the voting process. I hear often about how someone will vote for the person not the party (false most of the time), then just nod when the dems and reps demand party loyalty. I am pretty sure I remember a dem even being bought off to pass the ACA. The Repubs are the only ones who break ranks. Sure once the deal is done one way or another, the leadership of both parties will allow tossup districts to vote the way the constituents want, but only then. I am being sarcastic because it is so ridiculous that the news even reports the things I just said, and everyone just shrugs.
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Cranking up the censorship machine for the 2020 election;

‘This should go well’: Trolling and worry as Twitter reveals plan to flag ‘lies & misinformation’

https://www.rt.com/usa/481322-twitte...g-information/

Thought Police on the March, the Ministry of Truth will keep us safe from Crimethink.

When this fails miserably, they will just outright delete Tweets.....they will have an army of Tweet Deleters...lol.
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Cranking up the censorship machine for the 2020 election;

‘This should go well’: Trolling and worry as Twitter reveals plan to flag ‘lies & misinformation’

https://www.rt.com/usa/481322-twitte...g-information/

Thought Police on the March, the Ministry of Truth will keep us safe from Crimethink.

When this fails miserably, they will just outright delete Tweets.....they will have an army of Tweet Deleters...lol.
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Why doesn’t any filthy rich person launch a competitive social media platform? I mean, this equates to the Pats playing all road games.
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Why doesn’t any filthy rich person launch a competitive social media platform? I mean, this equates to the Pats playing all road games.
Probably because there isn't a lot of prospect for success.

Think about it....the Facebooks, Youtubes, and Twitters are well established and everyone uses them.

60% of those people don't know shit and especially don't know shit about politics...they just post selfies and cat pictures. They have no reason and no desire to switch. They don't even know or care about all of the big data surveillance and privacy invasions. They are political zombies, inert, unaware, just NPC's really.

The remaining 40% of users are politics junkies, and half of those want opposing views censored.

So, you will have to invest huge money to try to gain a market share that is likely capped at about 20-25%, at most.

And you'll never get there, because the moment your startup starts to gain any traction, it will be declared the home of racists and nazi's and Russians and conspiracy nuts and whatever else the MSM and current social media kings make up, and there will be an avalanche of demands to shut down the site, and/or block it.

All you have to do is look to Reddit and 8Chan to see that. That's why we have 8Kun now, and they are at war with that, naturally.
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I would rather have a private company moderating speech on their own privately owned platform than a government violating the 1st and banning such speech.

They have every right to do what they want with their platforms as we do on own own property.

And the notion that something else won't come along because they have monopoly power has been so utterly disproven over last 150 years that it's almost not worth an argument.
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Probably because there isn't a lot of prospect for success.

Think about it....the Facebooks, Youtubes, and Twitters are well established and everyone uses them.

60% of those people don't know shit and especially don't know shit about politics...they just post selfies and cat pictures. They have no reason and no desire to switch. They don't even know or care about all of the big data surveillance and privacy invasions. They are political zombies, inert, unaware, just NPC's really.

The remaining 40% of users are politics junkies, and half of those want opposing views censored.

So, you will have to invest huge money to try to gain a market share that is likely capped at about 20-25%, at most.

And you'll never get there, because the moment your startup starts to gain any traction, it will be declared the home of racists and nazi's and Russians and conspiracy nuts and whatever else the MSM and current social media kings make up, and there will be an avalanche of demands to shut down the site, and/or block it.

All you have to do is look to Reddit and 8Chan to see that. That's why we have 8Kun now, and they are at war with that, naturally.
I have to disagree.

The nation is close to split. Look how close the general election was. So all those lefty’s have the backed social media platforms and all the media outside Fox, OAN, and some other outliers and small print. They have FAR more people per outlet on the right. So money opportunity is greater. Fox ratings are great as an example.

A right leaning social media platform would instantly garner a great portion of that national split. And they wouldn’t have to worry of their messages being scrubbed.
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I have to disagree.

The nation is close to split. Look how close the general election was. So all those lefty’s have the backed social media platforms and all the media outside Fox, OAN, and some other outliers and small print. They have FAR more people per outlet on the right. So money opportunity is greater. Fox ratings are great as an example.

A right leaning social media platform would instantly garner a great portion of that national split. And they wouldn’t have to worry of their messages being scrubbed.
Its funny. I see people from both sides and a couple of other ideologies constantly screaming about the bias of the platforms. Not just conservatives.

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I have to disagree.

The nation is close to split. Look how close the general election was. So all those lefty’s have the backed social media platforms and all the media outside Fox, OAN, and some other outliers and small print. They have FAR more people per outlet on the right. So money opportunity is greater. Fox ratings are great as an example.

A right leaning social media platform would instantly garner a great portion of that national split. And they wouldn’t have to worry of their messages being scrubbed.
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Its funny. I see people from both sides and a couple of other ideologies constantly screaming about the bias of the platforms. Not just conservatives.
Sure. I just think there’s an obvious market for the right and no existing product.
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