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Old 06-10-2005, 12:19 PM   #76
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I don't know, I think she was a heifer.

Maybe This fission guy made the rest of the story up to hide his inadequacies concerning seafood. I mean who goes to a seafood resturant and orders Chicken?

He sould have ordered the Scrood and told her that he loved Fish, LOVED IT! can't get enough of it! That would have sent a signal to the Girl of what he was looking for. Instead he balked. "I'll have the Aztec Chicken" Right there she new the guy wasn't for real and she wasn't going to be Satisfied. Why not get something out of the deal? I don't blame her.
How could I have missed this classic post? How?

For the record, I disagree with Ken. I'm thinking that this might be post of the year... if for the only fact that it's so brilliant, goofy and veiled.

Kudos to you Supkem!

And yes, any man who's a real seafood lover is walking around with a huge comparative advantage over his competition. Especially if he doesn't have a huge comparative advantage otherwise.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:20 PM   #77
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You, Spinal, are the perfect patsy for that kind of woman.

If you imagine that your incredibly demeaning attitudes toward the opposite sex don't play out -- clearly -- to women, then you're wrong.
Alice, I respect you a lot, but you're way off base here. I don't have a demeaning attitude towards the opposite sex. What I do have is a pretty good idea of what kind of girl, in particular, our man Fusion went out with.

You, somehow, have pontificated some master plan that this girl had going into the date. Like she planned out the whole thing and got exactly what she wanted (less the $40 bill). I think that she initially tried to really be nice and make a good impression. Then she got a couple of stiff drinks in her and the true slut came out to play.

See Alice, there's always another point of view.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:22 PM   #78
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This is why women are often attracted to older/mature men. They're so much smarter about these things.
I always thought they were after their Social Security checks!

Back in the very late 70's and early 80's I was a crowd control facilitator at a local night spot, Suggler's Den, and saw many, many attempts at picking up girls and guys.

The best delivery and attempt I ever witnessed was from a regular that everyone liked. He was a local attorney and barfly. About 5'4" and weighed about 130lbs. and about 60-65yrs. old.

Once a weekend he would leave with a member of the opposite. Sometime, prior to him leave, I would notice talking to several ladies and they would scream with laughter or be repulsed at his comments. One time I asked him what he said.

He told me that he would go up to a girl/lady and tell them that he was too old to go through all the BS in trying to get a date with her and asked her if she would just want to go back to his place to f**k. He said he figured that the line never worked 9 out of 10 times, but that 1 time................
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:23 PM   #79
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Interesting thread, I wanted to respond to something slightly off topic but also in a way related.

I think it was Alice who said women would rather bed a gentleman than a pig. In my experience this may nat actually be the case.

Back in my club hopping days I noticed a phenomenon which to this day still don't understand.

There were guys in the clubs how could have been wearing a tattoo across their forheads saying "I am a self-centered, concieted asshat who is only here to get in your pants", and said guys had women dripping off them.

On more than one occasion I was told I was just too nice.

So, can any of our female posters enlighten me on this?

My husband suffered the same fate.

He'd always go to clubs (before we met) with this scumbag friend of his. Well, nice guy, just a scumbag to women. Anyway, this guy would always end up with quite a few women around him while my poor, nice hubby was left woman-less.

And speaking as a woman.... I always went for the gorgeous, rich, great body guys, who of course, 99% of the time wer actually jerks. I actually broke up with a guy by telling him he was too nice. Treated me like a queen but always had to be with me. Way too clingy. I guess I preferred a guy who ignored me to a guy who hung on me.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:24 PM   #80
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Alice, I respect you a lot, but you're way off base here. I don't have a demeaning attitude towards the opposite sex. What I do have is a pretty good idea of what kind of girl, in particular, our man Fusion went out with.

You, somehow, have pontificated some master plan that this girl had going into the date. Like she planned out the whole thing and got exactly what she wanted (less the $40 bill). I think that she initially tried to really be nice and make a good impression. Then she got a couple of stiff drinks in her and the true slut came out to play.

See Alice, there's always another point of view.
Well, I was curious about her view of the girl too (she didn't respond to my post, but it was at the end of a page which people usually miss.)

I think Alice has a valid point, but not completely. Not every man or woman is the same. There are bad men and there are also bad women. Though her views of this young man are well known, I was curious as to her thoughts on the young lady's behavior.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:25 PM   #81
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Brilliant. Truly brilliant. How did you find that so fast?
Thank you for your praise, on both accounts. Just luckey I guess.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:26 PM   #82
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Well, there lies the difference between us. I would have upset that he skipped out on the bill (the Dad in me) and I would have been upset that he left a young woman without a ride, but mortified? Nope. It takes two to tango and they were both wrong.

Now, talk to me about her behavior. You've let your feelings be known about the guy. Being female does not make one without faults.

I'm curious for your take on her behaivor?


...And UT, this thread is a healthy debate, no need to the lock.
I think Bideau's reading on her behavior is correct. She may well be an immature and unsophisticated young woman.

Those are the chances you take when you offer to treat someone to lunch.

Being an immature and unsophisticated young woman pales in comparison to running out on a check and failing to meet your promise.

And I'm sorry, but while she could use a lesson in manners, it's not as if she bought the house at No. 9 Park or Pigalle.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:31 PM   #83
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I think Bideau's reading on her behavior is correct. She may well be an immature and unsophisticated young woman.

Those are the chances you take when you offer to treat someone to lunch.

Being an immature and unsophisticated young woman pales in comparison to running out on a check and failing to meet your promise.

And I'm sorry, but while she could use a lesson in manners, it's not as if she bought the house at No. 9 Park or Pigalle.
Cool, thanks!

Now if she was my daughter, I would have told her that if she was not interested in the hot-for-sex young man, that she should not take advantage of the situation by ordering so much because it todays day and age it could provoke some bad behavior (a lot worse than diching.)

I would have told her to simply act nice and get the date over with. And that she could call me anytime, no questions asked for a ride if she felt uncomfortable with his behavior.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:38 PM   #84
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I And that she could call me anytime, no questions asked for a ride if she felt uncomfortable with his behavior.
best advice a parent can give their child in many different phases of life.

One thing to remember they will call as long as when they do call you don't flip out on them. Use it as a teaching tool the next morning without the "I told you so."
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:42 PM   #85
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One of my best-friend's mother would always make sure we had at least $2 on us whenever we went out with guys, that way we could always call a cab if we felt uncomfortable or things started going badly.

Course, I'm not sure she was aware the cab fares have gone up a bit since her day.

Still, good advice. But make sure it's $20 and not $2. ;)
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Alice, I respect you a lot, but you're way off base here. I don't have a demeaning attitude towards the opposite sex. What I do have is a pretty good idea of what kind of girl, in particular, our man Fusion went out with.


You don't need to listen to me. Just go back and read your own post describing women.

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You, somehow, have pontificated some master plan that this girl had going into the date. Like she planned out the whole thing and got exactly what she wanted (less the $40 bill). I think that she initially tried to really be nice and make a good impression. Then she got a couple of stiff drinks in her and the true slut came out to play.

See Alice, there's always another point of view.
First of all, if you didn't see my "story" as a fictional, satirical send-up intended to disabuse good ole Fusion of some very naive attitudes about women, then you need to learn to read between the lines.

Second, if your scenario is correct, then Fusion looks even worse. Because maybe during the course of lunch he just succeeded in totally turning the woman off. I find her behavior far more irritating if she simply went out with the guy knowing that she didn't want to.

And yes, there is always another point of view. As Fusion just learned, much (as I imagine) to his chagrin and embarrassment on this thread.

Again...men who view and talk about women in the way that you and Fusion seem to are usually the dumb clucks who are attracted and attract those same women. This said, they usually fit your desired profile to a T and meet your expectations perfectly.

I personally know of no woman (young or old) who would behave the way this young woman behaved. But they're not generally attracted to men like Fusion.

A woman of much character will see and read his attitude a mile away and run like hell in the opposite direction.

We tend to seek and find water at our level. In Fusion's case, it's a low-level, indeed. That is probably the best thing I can say in his defense.
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I'm pretty late to the party as well here, but here's my thoughts:

1) The girl is either an idiot or something else that I will refrain from calling her out of respect for the ladies on this board.

2) Factoid #1 was not a good enough reason to walk out on the tab. I have no problem if you want to end the date at that point but at least pay the friggin' tab. If this girl had no cash, then it's the restaurant and the wait staff that got screwed.

And a few other random thoughts from the thread...

Are there really women who will go out with a guy just because they are afraid to tell him they are not interested? Please ladies, don't waste both of our times.

Lastly, I would have no problem spending $30-40 on a woman in this situation if I was genuinely interested in her. Of course, I'm not living on a minimum wage salary and I don't know what the situation is here in Fusions case. The point being, if money is not an obstacle....what is the big deal?

And I called the girl an idiot because of that ex-boyfriend comment. If that was the truth, she should have lied. And if that was an excuse, she should have come up with something better.
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There were guys in the clubs how could have been wearing a tattoo across their forheads saying "I am a self-centered, concieted asshat who is only here to get in your pants", and said guys had women dripping off them.

On more than one occasion I was told I was just too nice.
It's true. Anytime I've acted overly nice towards women I've been rejected.

Anytime I've acted arrogant or aloof, the opposite has been the case.

For example, one time I gave a woman my business card and told her where I hang out on Saturday nights. My buddy thought it was the biggest dick move he'd ever seen and kept making fun of me for the rest of the night about how I'd totally insulted the woman.

Well sure enough Saturday afternoon she called, and drove about 30 minutes to meet me at the bar.

I'm not bragging just lending personal evidence towards Despot hypothesis.
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best advice a parent can give their child in many different phases of life.

One thing to remember they will call as long as when they do call you don't flip out on them. Use it as a teaching tool the next morning without the "I told you so."
Except that doesn't work if your daughter is nearly 700 miles away.

Yes, I do worry. But my daughter has developed a pretty good a$$hole radar and she has plenty of friends at school who are just a phone call away.
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Except that doesn't work if your daughter is nearly 700 miles away.

Yes, I do worry. But my daughter has developed a pretty good a$$hole radar and she has plenty of friends at school who are just a phone call away.
Bideau,

It sounds to me that you raised a great, well-adjusted young woman. Though you can't be there to pick her up anymore, you gave her the tools to know what and how to do the right thing.

Kudos.
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