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Old 12-21-2019, 08:50 AM   #16
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I hear you. I think the other reason I remain reserved on it is that I don't want to end up like all the bazillion people who swamped the Internet with predictions of Trumps demise via the Mueller report, the piss dossier and every other story that they have concocted. It would be kind of embarrassing to have all those posts out there forever.
But Alas. The shite on the internet IS is forever.


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Word last week was to expect his report in the summer.

From everything I’d heard there is no way the Commander in Chief is not apprised of FISA warrants. The fact it was for Trumps campaign? No chance in hell he wasn’t aware. No matter what they spin.
And why was Trump kept out of all those important briefings during his run against Hilary and she was given those briefings? What does that tell you?
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And why was Trump kept out of all those important briefings during his run against Hilary and she was given those briefings? What does that tell you?
That they were corrupt as fvck.

That they were behind it.

That they financed it.

That they were borderline careless in their operation because they were 100% sure Killary would win.


But she didn’t....

And now Durham has a simple Hansel & Gretel trail to follow and a grade school level puzzle to put together.

This is going to be EXPLOSIVE, at just the right time.
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Former NSA Director Is Cooperating With Probe of Trump-Russia Investigation

Retired Adm. Michael Rogers, former director of the National Security Agency, has been cooperating with the Justice Department’s probe into the origins of the counterintelligence investigation of the Trump presidential campaign’s alleged ties to Russia, according to four people familiar with Rogers’s participation.

Rogers has met the prosecutor leading the probe, Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham, on multiple occasions, according to two people familiar with Rogers’s cooperation. While the substance of those meetings is not clear, Rogers has cooperated voluntarily, several people with knowledge of the matter said.

Rogers, who retired in May 2018, did not respond to requests for comment.

The inquiry has been a pillar of Attorney General William Barr’s tenure. He appointed Durham to lead the inquiry last spring, directing him to determine whether the FBI was justified in opening a counterintelligence investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election and alleged links between Russia and the Trump campaign, among other matters. What began as a broad review has turned into a criminal investigation, according to the New York Times. Barr has described the use of undercover FBI agents to investigate members of the campaign as “spying.”

Last week, a separate, nonpartisan review of the investigation by the Justice Department inspector general concluded that while the FBI and Justice Department committed serious errors in their applications to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, the investigation was opened properly and without political bias. Barr and Durham took the unusual step of publicly disagreeing with some of the inspector general’s conclusions, with Barr describing the FBI’s justification for the inquiry as “very flimsy.”

Rogers’s voluntary participation, which has not been previously reported, makes him the first former intelligence director known to have been interviewed for the probe.

“He’s been very cooperative,” one former intelligence officer who has knowledge of Rogers’s meetings with the Justice Department said.

Politico and NBC News have previously reported that Durham intends to interview both former CIA Director John Brennan and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. It is unclear if that has happened. Brennan and the Justice Department declined to comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.

The Times reported on Thursday that Durham is examining Brennan’s congressional testimony and communications with a focus on what the former CIA director may have told other officials about his views on the so-called Steele dossier, a set of unverified allegations about links between Russia, Trump, and his campaign compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele.

Rogers is no stranger to the controversy surrounding the 2016 election. Shortly after Trump won the presidency, Rogers traveled to Trump Tower in New York, where he provided an unsolicited briefing to the then president-elect. Rogers informed Trump that the NSA knew that the Russians interfered in the election, according to three people familiar with the briefing. Despite delivering what Rogers told a confidant was “bad news,” Trump would keep Rogers on as NSA director while dismissing Brennan and Clapper.

In January 2017 just before Trump took office, the intelligence community released an unclassified assessment concluding that Russia interfered in the election. The assessment was based on a combination of intelligence collected and reviewed by the NSA, CIA, and FBI.

Russia’s initial purpose, the assessment found, was to undermine confidence in American democracy, but the effort ultimately focused on damaging Hillary Clinton’s campaign in an effort to help elect Trump. While all three intelligence agencies agreed on that aspect of the assessment, the CIA and FBI expressed “high confidence” that the Russian government sought to help Trump win “by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him,” while Rogers’s NSA had only “moderate confidence” in that finding.

Trump entered his presidency deeply suspicious of the U.S. intelligence community and skeptical of the assessment. He has spent much of his administration claiming that he is the victim of a “deep-state” coup, beginning with the counterintelligence investigation into his presidential campaign. He has downplayed the intelligence community’s conclusions about Russia’s responsibility for hacking the Democratic National Committee computer system and providing internal emails to WikiLeaks, which published them beginning in July 2016, instead affirming conspiracy theories that blame Ukraine for stealing the emails.

A year into the Trump administration, in February 2018, Rogers testified at a Senate hearing that the White House had given the NSA no orders or instructions for countering further Russian election meddling.

“President Putin has clearly come to the conclusion that there’s little price to pay and that therefore ‘I can continue this activity,’” Rogers said. “Clearly, what we have done is not enough.”

Four months later in Helsinki, Trump said that he confronted the Russian president about meddling in the election. But Vladimir Putin denied that his government was involved, and Trump said he believed him, directly contradicting Rogers and the other U.S. intelligence directors.

Rogers was concerned that his testimony before Congress drew the president’s ire, according to a former Trump White House official who spoke with Rogers earlier this year.

“He asked if the president was mad at him,” the former official said. “I told him, ‘No way, the president has always liked you.’”

The White House declined to comment.

Durham’s inquiry into the origins of the Russia probe has perpetuated the bitter partisan conflict fueled earlier by special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. Among Mueller’s key findings was that Russia’s military intelligence unit, the GRU, stole Clinton campaign manager John Podesta’s emails, along with emails from the DNC, and delivered them to WikiLeaks. The Mueller investigation led to federal indictments or guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies, but concluded that there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone in the Trump campaign with coordinating with the Russian government.

Yet the Mueller probe, the recent inspector general’s report, and now the Durham investigation have done little to bridge the yawning political divide between Trump and his supporters, who continue to see him as the victim of a politically motivated “witch hunt,” and career intelligence and national security officials, who view the Durham investigation as an effort to punish those who led U.S. efforts to investigate Russia’s election meddling. In May, Trump gave Barr the unprecedented authority to review and declassify intelligence related to the Russia investigation, further inflaming national security veterans.

Durham’s investigation has also sought information from foreign governments. This summer, Barr and Durham traveled to Italy to request information from Italian intelligence officials about Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese professor who first told a Trump campaign adviser that the Russians had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of stolen emails. That claim played a central role in the FBI’s decision to open an investigation into the Trump campaign. But in the conservative press and the right-wing social media ecosystem, Mifsud was portrayed as part of an Obama administration plot to entrap and frame Trump. The inspector general’s report concluded that there is no evidence that Mifsud had any affiliation with the FBI.

Barr’s visit to Italy coincided with Trump’s offer to trade congressionally approved military aid to Ukraine for that country’s help in pursuing the unsupported allegations that Ukraine hacked the DNC and framed Russia. Trump’s efforts to solicit “a favor” from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky — that Zelensky publicly announce an investigation into purported Ukrainian-backed hacking and look into alleged corruption by Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joseph Biden on behalf of Biden’s son Hunter — led to Trump’s impeachment in the House of Representatives this week.

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/20/...-trump-russia/

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Well Rogers must be a regular Nostradamus, if he retired in the Spring of 2018 so he could testify in an investigation that wouldn't start for another year.

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Well Rogers must be a regular Nostradamus, if he retired in the Spring of 2018 so he could testify in an investigation that wouldn't start for another year.

Mr. Jordan: Just to clarify for us, you're, counsel, advising Mr. Baker not to answer that question because of -- not because of it's classified, not because of any classification concerns, but because there is an ongoing investigation by whom?

Mr. Levin: The Justice Department.

Mr. Jordan: I mean, is the inspector general looking at this or is this --

Mr. Levin: No, it's Mr. John Durham, a prosecutor.

Mr. Jordan: Mr. Huber.

Mr. Levin: Durham, Durham.

Mr. Jordan: Oh. Say it again.

Mr. Levin: John Durham.


James Baker testimony before the House Oversight Committee, October 2018.

Rogers retired 5/4/18

Durham was appointed as US Attorney in February 2018, and immediately assigned to "special investigations" for the DoJ.

...incidentally...

Rogers was trying to shut down and correct FISA abuses going back to 2016, and he did block access to outside contractors for the FBI, promptmnig a flurry of the famous Strzok/Page texts.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nsa-di...d_2692033.html
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Mr. Jordan: Just to clarify for us, you're, counsel, advising Mr. Baker not to answer that question because of -- not because of it's classified, not because of any classification concerns, but because there is an ongoing investigation by whom?

Mr. Levin: The Justice Department.

Mr. Jordan: I mean, is the inspector general looking at this or is this --

Mr. Levin: No, it's Mr. John Durham, a prosecutor.

Mr. Jordan: Mr. Huber.

Mr. Levin: Durham, Durham.

Mr. Jordan: Oh. Say it again.

Mr. Levin: John Durham.


James Baker testimony before the House Oversight Committee, October 2018.

Rogers retired 5/4/18

Durham was appointed as US Attorney in February 2018, and immediately assigned to "special investigations" for the DoJ.

...incidentally...

Rogers was trying to shut down and correct FISA abuses going back to 2016, and he did block access to outside contractors for the FBI, promptmnig a flurry of the famous Strzok/Page texts.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nsa-di...d_2692033.html
Collyer ruling which I post 2 years ago and said everyone should read it.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/...r_Apr_2017.pdf

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This FISA Court ruling, unsealed by Director of National Intelligence Dan Coates, revealed some grave abuses. I cover the entire ruling here:

From the FISA Court ruling:

The October 26, 2016 Notice informed the Court that NSA Analysts had been conducting such queries in violation of that prohibition, with much greater frequency than had previously been disclosed to the Court.

The Court ascribed the government’s failure to disclose the IG and OCO reviews at the October 4, 2016 hearing [Obama’s NSD Director John Carlin – NOT Rogers] to an institutional “Lack of Candor” and emphasized that “this is a very serious Fourth Amendment Issue”.

A non-compliance rate of 85% raises substantial questions about the propriety of using of [Redacted – likely “About”] query FISA data.

There is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015-April 2016 period coincided with an unusually high rate.

The FBI had disclosed raw FISA information, including but not limited to Section 702-acquired information, to a [Redacted].

Is largely staffed by private contractors.

The {Redacted} contractors had access to raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to the FBI’s requests.

The FBI discontinued the above-described access to raw FISA information as of April 18, 2016.

Their [contractors] access was not limited to raw information for which the FBI sought assistance – and access continued even after they had completed work in response to an FBI request.

The FBI had given the information to the private entity [Redacted] not to an assisting federal agency.

The Court is nonetheless concerned about the FBI’s apparent disregard of minimization rules and whether the FBI may be engaging in similar disclosures of raw Section 702 information that have not been reported.

The improper access granted to the [Redacted] contractors was apparently in place [Redacted] and seems to have been the result of deliberate decision-making.

This all points to substantial instances of improper surveillance. Going back to at least November 2015 – probably longer.

We do not have Goodlatte’s letter. But Judge Collyer has already issued a damning Opinion of FISA Court abuse under the Obama Administration.
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Mr. Jordan: Just to clarify for us, you're, counsel, advising Mr. Baker not to answer that question because of -- not because of it's classified, not because of any classification concerns, but because there is an ongoing investigation by whom?

Mr. Levin: The Justice Department.

Mr. Jordan: I mean, is the inspector general looking at this or is this --

Mr. Levin: No, it's Mr. John Durham, a prosecutor.

Mr. Jordan: Mr. Huber.

Mr. Levin: Durham, Durham.

Mr. Jordan: Oh. Say it again.

Mr. Levin: John Durham.


James Baker testimony before the House Oversight Committee, October 2018.

Rogers retired 5/4/18

Durham was appointed as US Attorney in February 2018, and immediately assigned to "special investigations" for the DoJ.

...incidentally...

Rogers was trying to shut down and correct FISA abuses going back to 2016, and he did block access to outside contractors for the FBI, promptmnig a flurry of the famous Strzok/Page texts.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nsa-di...d_2692033.html
Nope.

If you look earlier in the transcript (page 36 of the PDF), you'll find the following.
Mr. Levin. I'm sorry, I'm going to cut -- not let him answer these questions right now. You may or may not know, he's been the subject of a leak investigation which is still -- a criminal leak investigation that's still active at the Justice Department. So I am cutting off --

Mr. Jordan. Can you speak more in the mike there?

Mr. Levin. I'm sorry. I'm cutting off any discussion about conversations with reporters.

Mr. Jordan. Based on --

Mr. Meadows. You're saying he's under criminal investigation? That's why you're not letting him answer?

Mr. Levin. Yes.
So the investigation that Durham was running was about a leak of classified information, presumably to reporters.

That is not the origins of the Russiagate investigation that was alluded to in the post I quoted.

Besides, Barr was appointed AG 2/14/19, and it was he who assigned Durham this task.

From here.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr has appointed a U.S. attorney to examine the origins of the Russia investigation and determine if intelligence collection involving the Trump campaign was “lawful and appropriate,” according to a person familiar with the issue.

Barr appointed John Durham, the U.S. attorney in Connecticut, to conduct the inquiry, the person said. The person could not discuss the matter publicly and spoke Monday to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
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So the investigation that Durham was running was about a leak of classified information, presumably to reporters.

That is not the origins of the Russiagate investigation that was alluded to in the post I quoted.
It is the same thing, the Steele Dossier leaks.
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It is the same thing, the Steele Dossier leaks.
No, it is not.

A leak investigation, is by definition, an investigation of classified information provided to improper individuals/groups.

The investigation Barr initiated with Durham is with regards to if the Russiagate investigation was properly predicated (i.e., was the initial investigation justified)

The fact that some of the leaks in the first investigation may involve Russiagate, has absolutely nothing to do with the origins of said investigation.

The fact that Durham is investigating both does not mean they are the same thing any more than Kenneth Starr investigating both Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky means they were the same thing.

Unless of course....


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No, it is not.

A leak investigation, is by definition, an investigation of classified information provided to improper individuals/groups.

The investigation Barr initiated with Durham is with regards to if the Russiagate investigation was properly predicated (i.e., was the initial investigation justified)

The fact that some of the leaks in the first investigation may involve Russiagate, has absolutely nothing to do with the origins of said investigation.

The fact that Durham is investigating both does not mean they are the same thing any more than Kenneth Starr investigating both Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky means they were the same thing.

Unless of course....


Seems to me that maybe you are unaware of how the Steele Dossier was leaked to the media, and those media reports were used to validate the Dossier for the FISA court.

Not just be Steele, but the many related leaks from agents involved in Crossfire Hurricane to the media.

These are an inseparable part of the Russia Investigation.
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Seems to me that maybe you are unaware of how the Steele Dossier was leaked to the media, and those media reports were used to validate the Dossier for the FISA court.

Not just be Steele, but the many related leaks from agents involved in Crossfire Hurricane to the media.

These are an inseparable part of the Russia Investigation.


What part of this don't you get?
The investigation Barr initiated with Durham is with regards to if the Russiagate investigation was properly predicated (i.e., was the initial investigation justified)

The fact that some of the leaks in the first investigation may involve Russiagate, has absolutely nothing to do with the origins of said investigation.
Leaks are leaks.

Predication is predication.

The only common item here is that Durham is investigating the both of them.

As I previously alluded to, the connection you're suggesting is completely equivalent to saying someone resigned from the government so they could be called in the Monica Lewinski investigation because Starr had been investigating Whitewater and a different government employee refused to answer questions about Whitewater in Congressional testimony.
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What part of this don't you get?
The investigation Barr initiated with Durham is with regards to if the Russiagate investigation was properly predicated (i.e., was the initial investigation justified)

The fact that some of the leaks in the first investigation may involve Russiagate, has absolutely nothing to do with the origins of said investigation.
Leaks are leaks.

Predication is predication.

The only common item here is that Durham is investigating the both of them.

As I previously alluded to, the connection you're suggesting is completely equivalent to saying someone resigned from the government so they could be called in the Monica Lewinski investigation because Starr had been investigating Whitewater and a different government employee refused to answer questions about Whitewater in Congressional testimony.
Not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse or are unaware of the role that leaks played in the FISA warrants.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and offer a brief summary;

The Steele Dossier was central to the Russia Collusion investigation

The Steele Dossier was central to obtaining the FISA warrant on Carter Page

The Steele Dossier was corroborated by various reports in the media, and these reports were used in the FISA court to validate the Steele Dossier

Media reports derived from leaks from the Crossfire Hurricane investigation were used to validate the Steele Dossier as well. In addition to leaks from Steele himself, agents within the FBI involved int he Crossfire Hurricane Operation were leaking the same details to the media that Steele was, thus establishing multiple source vetting for the stories.

In summary, the media was receiving the same details from sources both within the FBI, and outside sources, and printing stories derived from the Steele Dossier.

These stories were then used by the FBI to corroborate and validate the Steele Dossier to obtain the Carter Page FISA warrant.

Therefore....the leak investigation, and the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, are the same investigation, because they are inextricable from one another, involving the same parties, the same subject, and the same source material.
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Not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse or are unaware of the role that leaks played in the FISA warrants.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and offer a brief summary;

The Steele Dossier was central to the Russia Collusion investigation

The Steele Dossier was central to obtaining the FISA warrant on Carter Page

The Steele Dossier was corroborated by various reports in the media, and these reports were used in the FISA court to validate the Steele Dossier

Media reports derived from leaks from the Crossfire Hurricane investigation were used to validate the Steele Dossier as well. In addition to leaks from Steele himself, agents within the FBI involved int he Crossfire Hurricane Operation were leaking the same details to the media that Steele was, thus establishing multiple source vetting for the stories.

In summary, the media was receiving the same details from sources both within the FBI, and outside sources, and printing stories derived from the Steele Dossier.

These stories were then used by the FBI to corroborate and validate the Steele Dossier to obtain the Carter Page FISA warrant.

Therefore....the leak investigation, and the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, are the same investigation, because they are inextricable from one another, involving the same parties, the same subject, and the same source material.

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Not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse or are unaware of the role that leaks played in the FISA warrants.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and offer a brief summary;

The Steele Dossier was central to the Russia Collusion investigation

The Steele Dossier was central to obtaining the FISA warrant on Carter Page

The Steele Dossier was corroborated by various reports in the media, and these reports were used in the FISA court to validate the Steele Dossier

Media reports derived from leaks from the Crossfire Hurricane investigation were used to validate the Steele Dossier as well. In addition to leaks from Steele himself, agents within the FBI involved int he Crossfire Hurricane Operation were leaking the same details to the media that Steele was, thus establishing multiple source vetting for the stories.

In summary, the media was receiving the same details from sources both within the FBI, and outside sources, and printing stories derived from the Steele Dossier.

These stories were then used by the FBI to corroborate and validate the Steele Dossier to obtain the Carter Page FISA warrant.

Therefore....the leak investigation, and the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, are the same investigation, because they are inextricable from one another, involving the same parties, the same subject, and the same source material.
OK one very simple question.

Did or did not Barr assign Durham the role of investigating if the investigation onto Trump et al was properly predicated.

Yes or no.
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