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Old 02-14-2017, 02:05 PM   #31
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So, Kellyanne Conway and Sean Spicer have different versions of:
  • When Trump knew about the details of Flynn's Russia calls
  • Whether or not Trump asked for the resignation, or Flynn resigned on his own.

Spicer and Trump also contradict each other about whether Trump knew weeks ago- Spicer= yes, Trump=no.

Spicer also tried to blame Obama for this. Har!



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So, Kellyanne Conway and Sean Spicer have different versions of:
  • When Trump knew about the details of Flynn's Russia calls
  • Whether or not Trump asked for the resignation, or Flynn resigned on his own.

Spicer and Trump also contradict each other about whether Trump knew weeks ago- Spicer= yes, Trump=no.

Spicer also tried to blame Obama for this. Har!



Keep yer damn lies straight, morans!

It's genius gaslighting, utter incompetence, or a healthy dose of both.
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I was, and remain, anti-Hillary, not pro-Trump.

The storm of hysteria, violence, and absurdity the left keeps vomiting up puts me in the dubious position of defending reason and rationality means defending Trump.

Fortunately, being a libertarian makes one accustomed to defending the indefensible. Reason and rationality is often at odds with popular whims, fads, and taboos, and not just with Trump, just in general.

As for the accusation that I am excited by the chaos...guilty as charged. No question.

My political views are not sycophantic and not swayed by personality or lack thereof. I'm not pro-anybody....Ron Paul was the closest thing. I am pro liberty, pro reason....and right now that makes me even more opposed to the left than usual.

If the left ever recovers their wits, reason, and rationality, we may find ourselves criticizing the president together again. But damn, have you guys looked at yourselves lately? I mean, without Trump in the equation, who the Hell are you and what do you represent besides violence and destruction? Because, as far as I can tell, the left without Trump isn't even definable any more.....and most of the things you have clutched ahold of to criticize Trump for are things you can easily point to Obama and your silence for the last 8 years.

Average Americans may not be full time Trump Trainers....but the hysteria and minutiae crisis making from the left, combined with the riots and destruction they see on TV isn't making many converts for you from normal, everyday lunchpailers. You'll just have to trust me on that.

Get your sh*t together, get a plan, get rational, and I'll be happy to criticize Trump with you. But, the thing is....I don't give a flying f*ck on a rolling donut about his personality. I only care about policy...and right now...Trump is much more win then lose, and as far as I can tell the left without being anti-Trump together, seems to be pro-nothing and afraid to face the civil war that the party is going to have, and frankly, needs to have, between the Clintonian neo-liberal Globalists and the Sanders neo-socialists. Sanders sold out, but his people did not, and the only thing holding the left together right now is hate that is being intentionally deflected toward Trump. But that won't last forever. The left's Tea Party Moment is coming. Until then, you guys are a f*cking mess, and you actually need Trump more than I do, or anyone else. Trump is the only thing holding the left together at the moment...and even that is starting to fray...some of the folks I follow are leftists and are being alienated by what passes for a mainstream democrat nowadays.

Trump isn't the enemy of the left, they are their own worst enemy right now. The Baron will see you on the other side when rationality and the principles of humanity and peace return to the leftist platform...until then...you're on your own, pal. You look a little too much like Brown Shirts right now for my liking, and I don't think I am the only one in America thinking it...I think most apolitical people in America are thinking it. It's not a good look for anyone, but it's especially not a good look for progressives.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-flynn/516087/

One thing I haven't heard mentioned in any of this was that it was less than a week ago that it was reported that Trump called Flynn at 3 am to ask him questions about whether it's better for the U.S. to have a strong or a weak dollar and Flynn responded that his field isn't economics and that he should ask someone else.

It might be a small part of it, but this could be related to why Trump didn't make any effort to stand up for Flynn. Rather than keeping it to himself, Flynn was blabbing to people how it was weird that Trump was calling him at 3 am with questions that weren't even in his field, and two of them leaked it to the press.

I think Trump is probably the most unstable individual we've had as President in the last 100+ years, and the stories of him wandering around the WH in his bathrobe at 3 am and calling and waking people with off the wall, nonurgent questions is what I'd expect. But, Flynn gossiping about it and it leaking to the press probably didn't help him stay in his job.
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Let the Dems continue with this BS through the midterms, they will lose even more seats and governorships because of it.

One can't even turn on the tv anymore without watching some liberal left loon losing his/her mind over something they don't agree with, it's freaking embarrassing to watch.
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Um, yeah. I am not sure this was the best choice of words.
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I was, and remain, anti-Hillary, not pro-Trump.

The storm of hysteria, violence, and absurdity the left keeps vomiting up puts me in the dubious position of defending reason and rationality means defending Trump.

Fortunately, being a libertarian makes one accustomed to defending the indefensible. Reason and rationality is often at odds with popular whims, fads, and taboos, and not just with Trump, just in general.

As for the accusation that I am excited by the chaos...guilty as charged. No question.

My political views are not sycophantic and not swayed by personality or lack thereof. I'm not pro-anybody....Ron Paul was the closest thing. I am pro liberty, pro reason....and right now that makes me even more opposed to the left than usual.

If the left ever recovers their wits, reason, and rationality, we may find ourselves criticizing the president together again. But damn, have you guys looked at yourselves lately? I mean, without Trump in the equation, who the Hell are you and what do you represent besides violence and destruction? Because, as far as I can tell, the left without Trump isn't even definable any more.....and most of the things you have clutched ahold of to criticize Trump for are things you can easily point to Obama and your silence for the last 8 years.

Average Americans may not be full time Trump Trainers....but the hysteria and minutiae crisis making from the left, combined with the riots and destruction they see on TV isn't making many converts for you from normal, everyday lunchpailers. You'll just have to trust me on that.

Get your sh*t together, get a plan, get rational, and I'll be happy to criticize Trump with you. But, the thing is....I don't give a flying f*ck on a rolling donut about his personality. I only care about policy...and right now...Trump is much more win then lose, and as far as I can tell the left without being anti-Trump together, seems to be pro-nothing and afraid to face the civil war that the party is going to have, and frankly, needs to have, between the Clintononian neo-liberal Globalists and the Sanders neo-socialists. Sanders sold out, but his people did not, and the only thing holding the left together right now is hate that is being intentionally deflected toward Trump. But that won't last forever. The left's Tea Party Moment is coming. Until then, you guys are a f*cking mess, and you actually need Trump more than I do, or anyone else. Trump is the only thing holding the left together at the moment...and even that is starting to fray...some of the folks I follow are leftists and are being alienated by what passes for a mainstream democrat nowadays.

Trump isn't the enemy of the left, they are their own worst enemy right now. The Baron will see you on the other side when rationality and the principles of humanity and peace return to the leftist platform...until then...you're on your own, pal. You look a little too much like Brown Shirts right now for my liking, and I don't think I am the only one in America thinking it...I think most apolitical people in America are thinking it. It's not a good look for anyone, but it's especially not a good look for progressives.
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Um, yeah. I am not sure this was the best choice of words.
No he's right. We nominated Gary Johnson and had a naked guy at our convention.
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How the Hell do you get from this;

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One thing I haven't heard mentioned in any of this was that it was less than a week ago that it was reported that Trump called Flynn at 3 am to ask him questions about whether it's better for the U.S. to have a strong or a weak dollar and Flynn responded that his field isn't economics and that he should ask someone else.

It might be a small part of it, but this could be related to why Trump didn't make any effort to stand up for Flynn. Rather than keeping it to himself, Flynn was blabbing to people how it was weird that Trump was calling him at 3 am with questions that weren't even in his field, and two of them leaked it to the press.
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Furthermore, I know why Trump would call Flynn at 3 AM and ask him questions about the strength of the dollar...and anyone who can't understand doesn't know anything about Flynn, the Flynn Intel Group and the work they've donein the past, or the relationship between currency and geopolitics.

Anyone that doesn't understand why a president might ask an Intelligence chief about currency strength, probably shouldn't be reporting on politics.
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It's the perfect choice of words.

Noone could have made Trump look like the best option but Hillary, and noone can make Trump look calm, reasonable, and rational but the mainstream left.

I'm not kidding, you guys are out of your minds and dangerous and destructive. (I do not mean 'you', per se...just the left in general.)

The left is making Trump look good. Seriously.
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Let the Dems continue with this BS through the midterms, they will lose even more seats and governorships because of it.

One can't even turn on the tv anymore without watching some liberal left loon losing his/her mind over something they don't agree with, it's freaking embarrassing to watch.
Really? Haven't noticed. Not at all.

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I won't defend violence (but contrary to many comments I see, Protest does not equal violence).

I won't even defend the democratic party, they are equally to blame for the shit storm we are living through.

But I said long before the election that shooting the patient on the head will undoubtedly kill the cancer, but the side effects were not worth the cure.
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