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Old 02-11-2020, 06:42 PM   #16
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Uh Baron, did you miss this part of the news story in the OP's link?
Speaking at the National Sheriff’s Association 2020 Winter Legislative and Technology Conference in Washington, D.C., Barr said the Justice Department would immediately file multiple lawsuits against sanctuary jurisdictions for unconstitutionally interfering with federal immigration enforcement, and implement unprecedented national reviews of left-wing sanctuary governments and prosecutors.
The DOJ isn't imposing their will on the States/Cities, they're taking them to court about their behavior.

Are you suggesting that the question regarding the Constitutionality of the federal laws in question will not be raised by the States/Cities in these cases?

Isn't that how questions regarding the Constitutionality of any issue is answered in the US? By the Judiciary?

As such, this case will have zero bearing on any State/Cities government's additional attempt to restrict 2nd Amendment rights, since those cases will be judged on their Constitutionality.
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Uh Baron, did you miss this part of the news story in the OP's link?
Speaking at the National Sheriff’s Association 2020 Winter Legislative and Technology Conference in Washington, D.C., Barr said the Justice Department would immediately file multiple lawsuits against sanctuary jurisdictions for unconstitutionally interfering with federal immigration enforcement, and implement unprecedented national reviews of left-wing sanctuary governments and prosecutors.
The DOJ isn't imposing their will on the States/Cities, they're taking them to court about their behavior.

Are you suggesting that the question regarding the Constitutionality of the federal laws in question will not be raised by the States/Cities in these cases?

Isn't that how questions regarding the Constitutionality of any issue is answered in the US? By the Judiciary?

As such, this case will have zero bearing on any State/Cities government's additional attempt to restrict 2nd Amendment rights, since those cases will be judged on their Constitutionality.
I believe you are wrong. There will be states that refuse to comply with Federal Gun Control laws, and the government will bring all it's power to bear.

Furthermore...you can't judge how courts will rule, because the specifics matter. For example, when the Federal government restricted the speed limit to 55MPH...for which there is NO basis in the Constitution, it enforced it's will on resistant states with sanctions. Perfectly Constitutional, according to the courts.

When in doubt, the courts just defer to the Supremacy Clause and the Commerce Clause, not enumerated powers, and thus what is Constitutional is essentially whatever the government says is Constitutional. The only thing stopping Federal Power grabs is public outcry, which even that is insufficient in some cases, and Virginia is a great microcosm of that.
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I believe you are wrong. There will be states that refuse to comply with Federal Gun Control laws, and the government will bring all it's power to bear.

Furthermore...you can't judge how courts will rule, because the specifics matter. For example, when the Federal government restricted the speed limit to 55MPH...for which there is NO basis in the Constitution, it enforced it's will on resistant states with sanctions. Perfectly Constitutional, according to the courts.

When in doubt, the courts just defer to the Supremacy Clause and the Commerce Clause, not enumerated powers, and thus what is Constitutional is essentially whatever the government says is Constitutional. The only thing stopping Federal Power grabs is public outcry, which even that is insufficient in some cases, and Virginia is a great microcosm of that.
I was of the understanding that the 55 mph was imposed by tying it to Federal Highway money, a traditional method to dodge states rights.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ostage/454167/

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I was of the understanding that the 55 mph was imposed by tying it to Federal Highway money, a traditional method to dodge states rights.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ostage/454167/

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That is my understanding as well, Tim.
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We have been told repeatedly over the past 3 years that "no one is above the law". So, I would assume that includes the people who don't want to comply with our immigration laws. Am I wrong?
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We have been told repeatedly over the past 3 years that "no one is above the law". So, I would assume that includes the people who don't want to comply with our immigration laws. Am I wrong?
Given Reality as our friends on the left perceive it, I'm just gonna treat that as a rhetorical Q.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ostage/454167/

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Correct.

So I would think that the actions taken by Barr in this case are preferable.

He's going to court to try and determine who's rights have the better legal standing.

I have no idea what the odds are for either side winning this case, but he's willing to let the Judiciary rule on the question as opposed to using $ to impose their will.

Of course, this approach is in contrast to the revocation of the Global Entry program to residents of New York.

NY allows illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses, but more to the point, prohibits providing most driver’s license information to DHS.

That information is used as part of the vetting process for obtaining Global Entry status.

Of course, the left has cried fowl on this, claiming it is retribution.

Perhaps, but if DHS is denied data that it normally uses to vet an individual, then one can also claim it is justified.
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Court upholds national highway speed limit Aug. 31, 1989

The Department of Transportation threatened to cut off Nevada's highway funding if it didn't drop the speed limit. The state complied, but sued, arguing, among other things, the agency's order violated constitutional limits on the federal government's power to force states to comply with national policies.

A federal trial court rejected Nevada's claim and the state appealed.

The appellate court noted that Nevada 'pegged its attack on the national speed limit on the wobbly legs of the coercion test.

'While we strongly doubt the vitality of that theory, we conclude that, alive or dead, it is of no consequence here,' the court said in an unsigned opinion.

The court said Congress may set a national speed limit under its authority to regulate interstate commerce.


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There was withholding of funds, but also an embargo on any contracts with the Department of Transportation, and so forth.

But..the key point is that, once again, as they always do, the courts rule that the Federal government has unlimited power, by virtue of the Commerce Clause and/or Supremacy Clause. There are no limits in reality, only in obscure academic theory.
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Court hands Trump win in sanctuary city fight, says administration can deny grant money

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cou...ary-city-grant

This will go over well with the leftists....
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Court hands Trump win in sanctuary city fight, says administration can deny grant money

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cou...ary-city-grant

This will go over well with the leftists....
One of our friends had already turned her shock and horror about Trump to the federal courts and who he is getting in.

You're right. This isn't gonna go over well.
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So sanctuary cities huh lefties?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...rl%3f_amp=true


Illegal immigrant charged with rape of 11-year-old Maryland girl

Montgomery County, Maryland, has gained national attention over the last couple of years for crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Montgomery County Executive Marc Elrich rolled back the county’s sanctuary city policy in November 2019 after at least nine illegal immigrants were charged with sex crimes, many against children, in the span of two months.

Officials in Montgomery County are now allowing ICE agents to place detainers on illegal immigrants, which they did with Salamanca, and schedule a time to pick up those suspects from jail for deportation or to take into federal custody. However, if ICE agents don’t arrive on time or miss the appointment, the illegal immigrants are usually released.




Wait, it gets better.

The offenders met in school! Maryland requires public education up to age 21!!!!

So illegals in school at age 20 on tax dollars and raping children.

Get your heads out of your FVCKING assholes!
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So sanctuary cities huh lefties?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...rl%3f_amp=true


Illegal immigrant charged with rape of 11-year-old Maryland girl

Montgomery County, Maryland, has gained national attention over the last couple of years for crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Montgomery County Executive Marc Elrich rolled back the county’s sanctuary city policy in November 2019 after at least nine illegal immigrants were charged with sex crimes, many against children, in the span of two months.

Officials in Montgomery County are now allowing ICE agents to place detainers on illegal immigrants, which they did with Salamanca, and schedule a time to pick up those suspects from jail for deportation or to take into federal custody. However, if ICE agents don’t arrive on time or miss the appointment, the illegal immigrants are usually released.




Wait, it gets better.

The offenders met in school! Maryland requires public education up to age 21!!!!

So illegals in school at age 20 on tax dollars and raping children.

Get your heads out of your FVCKING assholes!
Montgomery county is a fucking nightmare. When I first moved to Maryland it was the richest county per capita in the country. Where I currently live (Howard County) has taken that spot. They opened their doors to this shit back in the 80's.
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So sanctuary cities huh lefties?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...rl%3f_amp=true


Illegal immigrant charged with rape of 11-year-old Maryland girl

Montgomery County, Maryland, has gained national attention over the last couple of years for crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Montgomery County Executive Marc Elrich rolled back the county’s sanctuary city policy in November 2019 after at least nine illegal immigrants were charged with sex crimes, many against children, in the span of two months.

Officials in Montgomery County are now allowing ICE agents to place detainers on illegal immigrants, which they did with Salamanca, and schedule a time to pick up those suspects from jail for deportation or to take into federal custody. However, if ICE agents don’t arrive on time or miss the appointment, the illegal immigrants are usually released.




Wait, it gets better.

The offenders met in school! Maryland requires public education up to age 21!!!!

So illegals in school at age 20 on tax dollars and raping children.

Get your heads out of your FVCKING assholes!
And yet the left will defend them anyways, cause you know, Trumps policies are racists or something.
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Montgomery county is a fucking nightmare. When I first moved to Maryland it was the richest county per capita in the country. Where I currently live (Howard County) has taken that spot. They opened their doors to this shit back in the 80's.
Yup. Sheriff was on Ingraham last night saying the very same thing.

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The left supports illegal immigrants over the safety, sanctity, and purity of an 11 year old girl.

Digest that for a bit.

And this isn’t a one off. Do a search for MD rape illegal immigrant and see how many hits you get with different casts of characters.

These lefty’s are some truly revolting people.
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