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Old 10-18-2019, 06:42 AM   #676
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I don't understand the infatuation she gets from some of the members of this forum. Makes me think of a buddy I have in another forum that loves Andrew Yang...WHY? Because he wants to give everybody $1000 a month? Just stop stealing my money (taxes) and call it even.
I will never vote for another neocon. Never. Not ever.

Nor will I ever vote for another candidate that wants to bury more Americans in foreign wars that have no end game, no exit strategy, and no hope of victory.

That rules out almost every republican and democrat.

Fucking republicans that like sending young Americans to die in useless wars so they can wave flags and sing fucking "Proud to be an American", who can only find their patriotism when there are flag draped coffins to bury, but get oh-so-fucking-offended when football players have the gall to kneel during the anthem can suck on a bag of dicks. They are nothing more than hypocrites. They cheer when Americans are sent to die and murder, but God forbid any Americans exercise their 1st Amendment rights and interfere with their TV entertainment.

Same goes for the neoliberals. All of them.

I'll never, ever vote in favor of unnecessary foreign wars and more dead Americans.

THAT"s why I like Tulsi Gabbard, and will likely vote for her.
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I will never vote for another neocon. Never. Not ever.

Nor will I ever vote for another candidate that wants to bury more Americans in foreign wars that have no end game, no exit strategy, and no hope of victory.

That rules out almost every republican and democrat.

Fucking republicans that like sending young Americans to die in useless wars so they can wave flags and sing fucking "Proud to be an American", who can only find their patriotism when there are flag draped coffins to bury, but get oh-so-fucking-offended when football players have the gall to kneel during the anthem can suck on a bag of dicks. They are nothing more than hypocrites. They cheer when Americans are sent to die and murder, but God forbid any Americans exercise their 1st Amendment rights and interfere with their TV entertainment.

Same goes for the neoliberals. All of them.

I'll never, ever vote in favor of unnecessary foreign wars and more dead Americans.

THAT"s why I like Tulsi Gabbard, and will likely vote for her.
I'm confused.

In the Mega thread you rightfully place the blame on Obama - a Dem - and give Trump big props on the Syria management.

I get the Tulsi war stance.

But she wants our guns too. Can’t sign off on that.
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I will never vote for another neocon. Never. Not ever.

Nor will I ever vote for another candidate that wants to bury more Americans in foreign wars that have no end game, no exit strategy, and no hope of victory.

That rules out almost every republican and democrat.

Fucking republicans that like sending young Americans to die in useless wars so they can wave flags and sing fucking "Proud to be an American", who can only find their patriotism when there are flag draped coffins to bury, but get oh-so-fucking-offended when football players have the gall to kneel during the anthem can suck on a bag of dicks. They are nothing more than hypocrites. They cheer when Americans are sent to die and murder, but God forbid any Americans exercise their 1st Amendment rights and interfere with their TV entertainment.

Same goes for the neoliberals. All of them.

I'll never, ever vote in favor of unnecessary foreign wars and more dead Americans.

THAT"s why I like Tulsi Gabbard, and will likely vote for her.
I stopped identifying with party politics decades ago for the reasons you listed above. However...

...Tulsi Gabbard is no different than any of them. I've heard enough of her to know what she is despite the veteran veneer. She's a gun-grabber. She will take a massive shit on the Constitution and then wipe her ass with it.

You're smart guy and I have always had tremendous respect for you. The guy I mentioned above that loves Andrew Yang- engineering degree from Kansas, career Navy retired at whatever their equivalent rank of a full bird Colonel (want to say it's Commander)...so also a very smart guy that I have known a long time and have tremendous respect for. Yang and Gabbard are both ultimately Socialists at their core.

As far as Democrats go, John Delaney is the only one even close to being thoughtful and rational. Reminds me a lot of Jim Webb and Sam Nunn before him.

To sum it up- though I respect your opinion I disagree with it.

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I'm confused.

In the Mega thread you rightfully place the blame on Obama - a Dem - and give Trump big props on the Syria management.

I get the Tulsi war stance.

But she wants our guns too. Can’t sign off on that.
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It's a very valid point about the guns.

I do, however, have a couple of thoughts on that...not "facts", just "opinions". First...I think Tulsi's gun stance is less crusader than other democrats, I think it is a stance she adopted just to get along within the party. I could be totally off base on that, but I don't think it's that important to her, like it is with the rest of the fanatical left.

Second, I have more or less resigned myself that the gun grab is inevitable. It's coming. We have too many socialists in Washington now, and an entire two generations of fresh young indoctrinated socialists coming out of our public schools of whom AOC is only the first. In a very short time, AOC will represent the majority in Washington, not excluding Republicans, who when you get right down to it, love government power much, much more than they love individual liberty. At heart, neocons are socialists, too.

So, it's coming.

Fortunately, I know it won't work. I know this for a fact. At best, they will be ignored by the Constitutionalists...at worst, there will be civil war.

I've got what I need in either case, already. At this point, I'm just gearing up for friends and family who won't get what is happening until there is blood and danger.

Ending the foreign wars and foreign occupations is the only way to end foreign threats. Our presence is what makes terrorists want to kill us. And the government uses that threat to justify stripping away our liberties every day. That's part of the package of aggressive interventionist foreign engagements, it is the best, most efficient way to justify the destruction of liberty at home.

Tulsi will do that. Trump will do that. Nobody else in the shit show of politicians will. None.

Besides...if Trump is our grand savior against gun control, we're fucked, anyway. He hasn't done jack shit in regards to the things he promised, like license reciprocity, and yet he has supported every fucking gun control that has crossed his desk...bump stocks, for example.

If you support Trump but not Tulsi based on gun control, you need to take a harder look at Trump. He sucks on the second Amendment. The best I can say for him is that he is apathetic about it, which is about as good as we are going to get from anyone in government now and going forward...apathy, at best.

So, when it comes to gun control specifically...I may as well support Tulsi, because Trump is no better. He's a wishy washy, waffling, lying motherfucker when it comes to 2A.

If I'm going to get fucked, I'd prefer Tulsi over Trump any day. Just sayin.

Having said all of that....the one thing Trump has going for him, is actually his son, Don Jr. I think Jr is the only reason Trump hasn't gone all in on gun control, already.

Don Jr would be a far, far, far better President than his father, in my opinion.

I'd love to see a Rand Paul/Don Trump Jr ticket. That would be about the only ticket that I would feel confident keeps us from starting any new wars, and is actually good for 2A. Everything and everyone else is a trap.
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It's a very valid point about the guns.

I do, however, have a couple of thoughts on that...not "facts", just "opinions". First...I think Tulsi's gun stance is less crusader than other democrats, I think it is a stance she adopted just to get along within the party. I could be totally off base on that, but I don't think it's that important to her, like it is with the rest of the fanatical left.

Second, I have more or less resigned myself that the gun grab is inevitable. It's coming. We have too many socialists in Washington now, and an entire two generations of fresh young indoctrinated socialists coming out of our public schools of whom AOC is only the first. In a very short time, AOC will represent the majority in Washington, not excluding Republicans, who when you get right down to it, love government power much, much more than they love individual liberty. At heart, neocons are socialists, too.

So, it's coming.

Fortunately, I know it won't work. I know this for a fact. At best, they will be ignored by the Constitutionalists...at worst, there will be civil war.

I've got what I need in either case, already. At this point, I'm just gearing up for friends and family who won't get what is happening until there is blood and danger.

Ending the foreign wars and foreign occupations is the only way to end foreign threats. Our presence is what makes terrorists want to kill us. And the government uses that threat to justify stripping away our liberties every day. That's part of the package of aggressive interventionist foreign engagements, it is the best, most efficient way to justify the destruction of liberty at home.

Tulsi will do that. Trump will do that. Nobody else in the shit show of politicians will. None.

Besides...if Trump is our grand savior against gun control, we're fucked, anyway. He hasn't done jack shit in regards to the things he promised, like license reciprocity, and yet he has supported every fucking gun control that has crossed his desk...bump stocks, for example.

If you support Trump but not Tulsi based on gun control, you need to take a harder look at Trump. He sucks on the second Amendment. The best I can say for him is that he is apathetic about it, which is about as good as we are going to get from anyone in government now and going forward...apathy, at best.

So, when it comes to gun control specifically...I may as well support Tulsi, because Trump is no better. He's a wishy washy, waffling, lying motherfucker when it comes to 2A.

If I'm going to get fucked, I'd prefer Tulsi over Trump any day. Just sayin.

Having said all of that....the one thing Trump has going for him, is actually his son, Don Jr. I think Jr is the only reason Trump hasn't gone all in on gun control, already.

Don Jr would be a far, far, far better President than his father, in my opinion.

I'd love to see a Rand Paul/Don Trump Jr ticket. That would be about the only ticket that I would feel confident keeps us from starting any new wars, and is actually good for 2A. Everything and everyone else is a trap.
I don't think that is true. They hate us on ideological grounds in the middle east especially. Pick up and read the Quran.

Also read the history of the muslim Barbary Pirates and Jefferson's epic response to them, As far as I know we weren't occupying their lands in the beginning of this republic.

They hate the west on principle.

Taking the ideas behind actions seriously is not you strong suit. I'm not being a jerk just saying that ideas move the world and you tend to dismiss them out of hand like most Libertarians.
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I don't think that is true. They hate us on ideological grounds in the middle east especially. Pick up and read the Quran.

Also read the history of the muslim Barbary Pirates and Jefferson's epic response to them, As far as I know we weren't occupying their lands in the beginning of this republic.

They hate the west on principle.

Taking the ideas behind actions seriously is not you strong suit. I'm not being a jerk just saying that ideas move the world and you tend to dismiss them out of hand like most Libertarians.
throughout history it is the Muslims pushing the boundaries of conquest and expansion of their barbaric death cult.
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The Muslims form the time of Mohammed on, yes. Prior to that Islam was pro science, pro reason (mostly) and partially free. They gave humanity amazing things.

Mohammed wrought the hate. But yes, this.
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It's a very valid point about the guns.

I do, however, have a couple of thoughts on that...not "facts", just "opinions". First...I think Tulsi's gun stance is less crusader than other democrats, I think it is a stance she adopted just to get along within the party. I could be totally off base on that, but I don't think it's that important to her, like it is with the rest of the fanatical left.

Second, I have more or less resigned myself that the gun grab is inevitable. It's coming. We have too many socialists in Washington now, and an entire two generations of fresh young indoctrinated socialists coming out of our public schools of whom AOC is only the first. In a very short time, AOC will represent the majority in Washington, not excluding Republicans, who when you get right down to it, love government power much, much more than they love individual liberty. At heart, neocons are socialists, too.

So, it's coming.

Fortunately, I know it won't work. I know this for a fact. At best, they will be ignored by the Constitutionalists...at worst, there will be civil war.

I've got what I need in either case, already. At this point, I'm just gearing up for friends and family who won't get what is happening until there is blood and danger.

Ending the foreign wars and foreign occupations is the only way to end foreign threats. Our presence is what makes terrorists want to kill us. And the government uses that threat to justify stripping away our liberties every day. That's part of the package of aggressive interventionist foreign engagements, it is the best, most efficient way to justify the destruction of liberty at home.

Tulsi will do that. Trump will do that. Nobody else in the shit show of politicians will. None.

Besides...if Trump is our grand savior against gun control, we're fucked, anyway. He hasn't done jack shit in regards to the things he promised, like license reciprocity, and yet he has supported every fucking gun control that has crossed his desk...bump stocks, for example.

If you support Trump but not Tulsi based on gun control, you need to take a harder look at Trump. He sucks on the second Amendment. The best I can say for him is that he is apathetic about it, which is about as good as we are going to get from anyone in government now and going forward...apathy, at best.

So, when it comes to gun control specifically...I may as well support Tulsi, because Trump is no better. He's a wishy washy, waffling, lying motherfucker when it comes to 2A.

If I'm going to get fucked, I'd prefer Tulsi over Trump any day. Just sayin.

Having said all of that....the one thing Trump has going for him, is actually his son, Don Jr. I think Jr is the only reason Trump hasn't gone all in on gun control, already.

Don Jr would be a far, far, far better President than his father, in my opinion.

I'd love to see a Rand Paul/Don Trump Jr ticket. That would be about the only ticket that I would feel confident keeps us from starting any new wars, and is actually good for 2A. Everything and everyone else is a trap.

The loudest cheer last night was the boos when Trump told them the Dems want to take their guns and he wouldn’t.

Dems with gun seizure have zero chance in outdoorsy states like Texas and Michigan.
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Oh yeah....Chriustians have never done that.
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The Muslims form the time of Mohammed on, yes. Prior to that Islam was pro science, pro reason (mostly) and partially free. They gave humanity amazing things.

Mohammed wrought the hate. But yes, this.
???

There was no Islam before Muhammed, any more than there were Christians before Christ.

Prior to that they were polytheistic, with some Christians and some Jews. The Christians and Jews became muslims, just like Christians here became Mormons.

There are Islamic scholars who trace the origins of Islam past Muhammed....but there was nobody who called themselves muslims, and there was no Q'uran, so there was no Islam.

I'm not trying to throw hand grenades here...I've done plenty of that already, today. I'm a bit cranky today for some reason, was up most of the night.
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Oh yeah....Chriustians have never done that.
oh...let me guess...the Crusades? An event that occurred 500 years before the Reformation and 1000+ years ago? You know what the difference is? Muslims are still doing it today.

look man, I know you're an atheist and all...but c'mon. Your point is ridiculous. Tell me where there are armies of devout Christians in the world today that are threatening to exterminate populations or carrying out acts of terror to coerce people to love each other as the Gospels call on us to do? You sound like Rosie O'Donnell or one of those harpies on the View with that.
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There was no Islam before Muhammed, any more than there were Christians before Christ.

Prior to that they were polytheistic, with some Christians and some Jews. The Christians and Jews became muslims, just like Christians here became Mormons.

There are Islamic scholars who trace the origins of Islam past Muhammed....but there was nobody who called themselves muslims, and there was no Q'uran, so there was no Islam.

I'm not trying to throw hand grenades here...I've done plenty of that already, today. I'm a bit cranky today for some reason, was up most of the night.
Read Quran. Allah has always existed according to them. No, there were no muslims but the Persians did, most certainly have a belief in God at least a good many of them before Mohammed.

Honestly, I don't even care about that point. The main point of the post was that Mohammed codified the the hate filled, anti-life anti-freedom, anti-reason, anti-west ideology. It is on these grounds, ideological that they hate the west.

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Old 10-18-2019, 11:31 AM   #689
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oh...let me guess...the Crusades? An event that occurred 500 years before the Reformation and 1000+ years ago? You know what the difference is? Muslims are still doing it today.

look man, I know you're an atheist and all...but c'mon. Your point is ridiculous. Tell me where there are armies of devout Christians in the world today that are threatening to exterminate populations or carrying out acts of terror to coerce people to love each other as the Gospels call on us to do? You sound like Rosie O'Donnell or one of those harpies on the View with that.
Umm...The Holocaust? Are you a Holocaust denier?

Rwanda Genocide

The Catholic Franciscan Extermination camps in Croatia that were so brutal, the Nazi's were shocked and disgusted.

All 20th Century...


To say nothing of the Baptism of the natives in the Americas...

Ethnic Cleansing of Native Americans by various means, including giving them smallpox intentionally with infected blankets

The Spanish Massacre of natives when Columbus arrived, killing 8 Million natives in 4 years
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To be clear, as I have stated before, religion is never the true cause of wars and massacres..it is always politics that just use religion as a motivator. You know...today you can see the germination of this same thing in Extinction Rebellion or Antifa. All you have to do is use whatever the religion of the day is (today is environmentalism and global warming) and the right propaganda to convince people it is OK to do horrible things for a good cause. It's easy, and it works every time.
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