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Old 04-19-2017, 12:27 PM   #76
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I feel a great indifference to the suicide of convicted murderer Aaron Hernandez.

I continue to feel bad for his victim(s).
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:30 PM   #77
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I can understand most of what you are saying and why, except this. It is the cowards way out and just think of the message it sends to people in despair, especially teenagers. Got a problem too big to handle, then off yourself. As despicable of a man as he was, he didn't start out that way. None of us do. But his solution to the problem is now in the national spotlight, and young minds will be shaped by his action.

He's not done killing.

So no, I can never be happy about something like this. But you are entitled to your opinion.
If you're in despair and influenced by what a mass murderer chooses as an escape you've got bigger problems than his role in your course of action.
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Usually, the suicide clause in a life insurance policy states that no death benefit will be paid if the insured commits suicide within two years of taking out a policy.

If he took out a policy over two years ago, benefits will likely be paid.
My policy is like this. My insurance agent said, "After two years, dead is dead. We don't care how you got there."
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:22 PM   #79
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I can understand most of what you are saying and why, except this. It is the cowards way out and just think of the message it sends to people in despair, especially teenagers. Got a problem too big to handle, then off yourself. As despicable of a man as he was, he didn't start out that way. None of us do. But his solution to the problem is now in the national spotlight, and young minds will be shaped by his action.

He's not done killing.

So no, I can never be happy about something like this. But you are entitled to your opinion.


As are you.

I happen to have known 3 people that hanged themselves. Two brothers from one family, in fact, and none of them had anywhere near the issues that hung over Hernandez, but moreso each had unfathomable personal demons/depression that led them in that direction for various reasons. As far as any of us left behind could figure.

Not even slightly did it influence me to change my opinion about taking that way out which was formed long before I was grown up.

To reiterate, I'm still happy that Hernandez hung himself and for the rest of the non-murderer troubled folks in the world I wish them strength and peace and do hope they don't allow themselves to be influenced by world-class losers like him.
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This is an interesting thread to read. TBH, my first thought was about his family and what must have changed so dramatically for him that he would stop fighting and choose to die. I actually felt bad for him a bit and I still do. His life sucked.

At the same time I am truly glad the people will not be supporting him for the next 60 years and those associated with his crimes can really try to move on because he is now out of the picture. He is no longer there to fight against and to hate. He was a bad person and deserved what he got.

I share Grog's fear that some may be emboldened to commit suicide by his and that does worry me.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:32 PM   #81
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Wasn't the motive for the Odin Lloyd murder that Hernandez thought that Lloyd would snitch on him for the double murder or something? Maybe after Hernandez was acquitted for the double murder he realized killing Lloyd was for nothing?
Nah, he might have offed the main person willing to testify against him.
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Old 04-19-2017, 02:02 PM   #82
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If you're in despair and influenced by what a mass murderer chooses as an escape you've got bigger problems than his role in your course of action.
Exactly. You've got bigger problems. Hence my disdain for applauding this action.

I did not like Hernandez one bit. I didn't even like him as a player and always thought he was a thug, even before the whole murder thing. I just think we are all products of our community and we should do what we can to influence those in our circles in a positive way.

I've known too many people who should still be with us. My high school tennis doubles partner stepped in front of an 18 wheeler going 70 MPH the day after graduation. Why? He was a smart kid, graduated near the top of his class, but his parents couldn't afford college and he felt he had no future, according to the note he left behind. He came across as a bit of a thug in high school, but that was just a wall he put up so kids wouldn't pick on him for being poor. Maybe if I and others had done things differently, his life path would have been different. Unfortunately his solution lead another kid in my class to do something similar, and that kid would never have looked at the first kid as a role model.

I'm dropping this now, but bottom line is I will never rejoice or be happy about a suicide.
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Old 04-19-2017, 05:44 PM   #83
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Hi all. Hope all is well in the CONE. Anyway, crazy story for sure. Just thought I'd throw this out there as not a lot of talk that this was not actually suicide but rather that he was murdered. Now, I will say, frankly I don't care, just the fact that he is dead is what matters. And for what it's worth, I'd guess it was suicide. But that said, there are some people out this way talking about this as murder. The reason was that with the not guilty verdict, this actually gave Hernandez a chance of getting out of prison. The are folks that didn't want that. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Hope you all are doing well. Later
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LOL. F him. Tell that to the people he killed and whose lives he ruined. Zero compassion for this asshole.
Well the "people" he killed was Lloyd who was also a gang banger who probably killed others too. I am not saying I am sad about Hernandez, I am sad at the situation and his family and his daughter and a waste of life, but lets not act like the guy he killed was some alter boy or some innocent. If you are in the life, you know the risks.

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Hi all. Hope all is well in the CONE. Anyway, crazy story for sure. Just thought I'd throw this out there as not a lot of talk that this was not actually suicide but rather that he was murdered. Now, I will say, frankly I don't care, just the fact that he is dead is what matters. And for what it's worth, I'd guess it was suicide. But that said, there are some people out this way talking about this as murder. The reason was that with the not guilty verdict, this actually gave Hernandez a chance of getting out of prison. The are folks that didn't want that. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Hope you all are doing well. Later
I think he was murdered too, the timing of this suicide is odd to say the least. So days after a double murder trial acquittal, and his lawyer saying he is going to reopen his case for the murder trial, he picks that time to kill himself? Weird.
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As are you.

I happen to have known 3 people that hanged themselves. Two brothers from one family, in fact, and none of them had anywhere near the issues that hung over Hernandez, but moreso each had unfathomable personal demons/depression that led them in that direction for various reasons. As far as any of us left behind could figure.

Not even slightly did it influence me to change my opinion about taking that way out which was formed long before I was grown up.

To reiterate, I'm still happy that Hernandez hung himself and for the rest of the non-murderer troubled folks in the world I wish them strength and peace and do hope they don't allow themselves to be influenced by world-class losers like him.


Same boat, I have known some who have killed themselves, it always blew my mind how someone can get to that point, but mental illness is a tragic very misunderstood disease, and I have dealt with it quite a bit with family and such. Not that this case is along those lines, but I know some on here are upset by the suicide and I will never tell someone to not be, its a horrible thing for them and whats left behind.
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Well the "people" he killed was Lloyd who was also a gang banger who probably killed others too. I am not saying I am sad about Hernandez, I am sad at the situation and his family and his daughter and a waste of life, but lets not act like the guy he killed was some alter boy or some innocent. If you are in the life, you know the risks.

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I think he was murdered too, the timing of this suicide is odd to say the least. So days after a double murder trial acquittal, and his lawyer saying he is going to reopen his case for the murder trial, he picks that time to kill himself? Weird.
The 2 others he killed and 3rd he attempted weren't bangers.

Murdered?

Based off what exactly?

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Same boat, I have known some who have killed themselves, it always blew my mind how someone can get to that point, but mental illness is a tragic very misunderstood disease, and I have dealt with it quite a bit with family and such. Not that this case is along those lines, but I know some on here are upset by the suicide and I will never tell someone to not be, its a horrible thing for them and whats left behind.
Inner demons, turmoil, and personal guilt can be a bitch too.
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Well the "people" he killed was Lloyd who was also a gang banger who probably killed others too. I am not saying I am sad about Hernandez, I am sad at the situation and his family and his daughter and a waste of life, but lets not act like the guy he killed was some alter boy or some innocent. If you are in the life, you know the risks.

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I think he was murdered too, the timing of this suicide is odd to say the least. So days after a double murder trial acquittal, and his lawyer saying he is going to reopen his case for the murder trial, he picks that time to kill himself? Weird.
Lloyd was a pot salesman, not sure he was a full gangbanger.

The other two had gang connections but how deep they were into it I don't know and Alexander was a career criminal.
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