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Old 04-19-2017, 09:29 AM   #16
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That's just foolish.

Gronks the best TE in the game.

Sure, they won without him. But they're markedly better with him.

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Many in this forum felt that trading Collins was foolish when it happened. Same with Chandler, Milloy and Seymour.

I would never feel comfortable on a BB coached team unless I wore #12.
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:05 PM   #17
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I gotta believe the backfield is set, but with Bill.... you never know.
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:38 PM   #18
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Many in this forum felt that trading Collins was foolish when it happened. Same with Chandler, Milloy and Seymour.

I would never feel comfortable on a BB coached team unless I wore #12.
And NONE of those were even remotely close to being the best at their position, possibly of all time if he can maintain a modicum of health, at that time.

Gronk is.
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:46 PM   #19
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And NONE of those were even remotely close to being the best at their position, possibly of all time if he can maintain a modicum of health, at that time.

Gronk is.
That has always been the issue. It depends if Bill believes he can stay healthy on top of getting older - a deadly combo.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:01 PM   #20
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You don't get rid of affordable generational talent.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:09 PM   #21
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You don't get rid of affordable generational talent.
I am not sure Bill looks at Gronk affordable after this season when his cap hits will be $11 and $12 mil. If he plays all 16 this year plus the post-season then I think he finishes the contract but if he goes down again this season with any extended type of injury or certainly another back injury then I think Bill moves on or redoes his contract to be incentive based.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:11 PM   #22
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I am not sure Bill looks at Gronk affordable after this season when his cap hits will be $11 and $12 mil. If he plays all 16 this year plus the post-season then I think he finishes the contract but if he goes down again this season with any extended type of injury or certainly another back injury then I think Bill moves on or redoes his contract to be incentive based.
Couldn't disagree more.
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Couldn't disagree more.
"You can't make the club from the tub." The reason they got him in the draft was his injury. Now he's had two more major ones. Another and it'll be clear that his physical play is just too much.
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"You can't make the club from the tub." The reason they got him in the draft was his injury. Now he's had two more major ones. Another and it'll be clear that his physical play is just too much.
Clear?

Clear to you maybe.

Until I see the slightest hint BB feels that way I'll take this whole line of thought for what it is.

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Clear?

Clear to you maybe.

Until I see the slightest hint BB feels that way I'll take this whole line of thought for what it is.

Tripe.
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BB never shows his hand until he shows his hand.
BB is never stupid enough to give up on generational talent.
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BB is never stupid enough to give up on generational talent.
Eh. He traded Seymour, our best pass rusher, when he was having back issues. He dealt Collins, easily our most talented LB in Bill's tenure for a bag of peanuts. Bill's MO is never talent, it is consistency and dependability. Gronk right now is on thin ice in terms of being able to suit up play consistently. And bad backs don't get better with age.

BTW, I hope I am wrong and Gronk kills it this season and plays all 16 + post-season but the odds of him finishing out his current contract are pretty slim IMO.
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Eh. He traded Seymour, our best pass rusher, when he was having back issues. He dealt Collins, easily our most talented LB in Bill's tenure for a bag of peanuts. Bill's MO is never talent, it is consistency and dependability. Gronk right now is on thin ice in terms of being able to suit up play consistently. And bad backs don't get better with age.

BTW, I hope I am wrong and Gronk kills it this season and plays all 16 + post-season but the odds of him finishing out his current contract are pretty slim IMO.
Bullshit and bullshit.

Seymour was NEVER our best pass rusher, and his price easily surpassed his performance.

Collins might be the most athletic LBer, but talented? No. Give me a player in that position that has lesser physical talent but a better brain(Bruschi, all day every day).

The only thin ice is in your mind.
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... but with Bill.... you never know.
And that's because Bill never sits still. If he sees a way, and he's always looking, to improve what appears to be "all set", he's instantly not "all set" anymore


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