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Old 04-07-2015, 08:17 AM   #61
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From what I've seen in your posts, the only one basing opinion, though I understand that you believe it to be fact, on speculation and conspiracy theory is you. There are no facts that anybody knows of yet, and nothing is known.
We know Grigson spoke to the league office prior to the AFCCG and we know the league office is a part of this investigation. We don't know for sure who Grigson spoke to, but informed speculation can deduce that person's identity.

Seriously. Pick up a newspaper every once in a while.
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:18 AM   #62
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:19 AM   #63
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We know Grigson spoke to the league office prior to the AFCCG and we know the league office is a part of this investigation. We don't know for sure who Grigson spoke to, but informed speculation can deduce that person's identity.

Seriously. Pick up a newspaper every once in a while.
Seriously. Get a grip. I'm not the argumentative dick here. That would be you.
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:21 AM   #64
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If you don't like what I say and you don't like hearing the truth, you are perfectly free to ignore my posts.
You've taken a perfectly good thread and turned it into the NFL According To QuiGon.
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:23 AM   #65
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You might want to wait for the results of Wells II before you group us together like a herd of idiots who are unable to interpret the actions of the league office as well as you think you can. There are some aspects of the case that suggest that the Patriots may have been set up or targeted in some way. Paranoid people sometimes have real enemies.
I agree 100%. I have no doubt that that is what happened.
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I don't believe that you have any reasonable basis for determining how will be handling things based on two past cases which are completely different.
The fact that we have the exact same type of independent investigation run by the exact same guy is a totally legit and reasonable basis for determining that this investigation will be conducted the same way the previous one was.
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What a crock. Roger is making this shit up as he goes along.
Probably, but that doesn't mean Ted Wells is "making it all up as he goes along."

I don't believe Wells is out to get the Patriots and I have faith in the man's integrity and in the integrity of his findings.
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:26 AM   #66
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Seriously. Get a grip. I'm not the argumentative dick here. That would be you.
Ah yes. Personal attacks. The last refuge of the truly desperate.

Thank you for exposing your own hypocrisy on the matter.
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:31 AM   #67
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Seriously. Pick up a newspaper every once in a while.
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Ah yes. Personal attacks. The last refuge of the truly desperate.

Thank you for exposing your own hypocrisy on the matter.
Now, who is it that started the personal attacks?
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:33 AM   #68
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Now, who is it that started the personal attacks?
That would be you. If I had called you an argumentative douchebag then it would have been me.

But I didn't do that.

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Old 04-07-2015, 08:53 AM   #69
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Personally I think a more reasonable explanation for the delay is that the longer this takes the more people will forget about it.

What delay? We are still over 2 weeks away from being equal length as the Incognito investigation. And while the underlying societal issues are far less important, the investigation itself is far more complicated.
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:37 AM   #70
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I agree 100%. I have no doubt that that is what happened.
The fact that we have the exact same type of independent investigation run by the exact same guy is a totally legit and reasonable basis for determining that this investigation will be conducted the same way the previous one was.
Probably, but that doesn't mean Ted Wells is "making it all up as he goes along."

I don't believe Wells is out to get the Patriots and I have faith in the man's integrity and in the integrity of his findings.
Out of curiosity, why is it so important for you to get everyone here to agree with you? I don't get your motive at all.

We obviously don't agree with you yet you've continued to go out of your way to piss off plenty of people including a moderator. Why? What's in it for you?
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:42 AM   #71
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Out of curiosity, why is it so important for you to get everyone here to agree with you? I don't get your motive at all.
I am expressing my opinions and beliefs based on the facts and evidence. I didn't realize that disagreeing with others wasn't allowed.
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What delay? We are still over 2 weeks away from being equal length as the Incognito investigation. And while the underlying societal issues are far less important, the investigation itself is far more complicated.
My opinion is that the length of time time for all these investigations has more to do with public relations than it does actual time needed to investigate the specific issue.
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I am expressing my opinions and beliefs based on the facts and evidence. I didn't realize that disagreeing with others wasn't allowed.
Neither of which you actually know.
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Of course they are. Kinsel was/is an integral part of the investigation. He's the one that started the investigation and was present at the game and is a witness. He also said that if the league did anything wrong it'd be part of the report. They are investigating the whole chain of events as they occurred.
I agree - and that's why this whole thing is taking as long as it has. They aren't just investigating deflated footballs. They are investigating the ridiculously incompetent sting operation manufactured by an individual with an agenda who is supposed to be fair and impartial.
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No conspiracy theories for me at all. I don't think Kinsel to this point has done anything wrong.
Can't say I agree with this part. I think he let his hatred of all-things-Belichick get in the way of his position and he has it out for the Patriots big time. I think he saw this as his dream to (in his eyes) once and for all expose all the dirty cheating that Belichick engages in. So he set up the sting and conveniently forgot to tell his boss. Then it backfired. Turns out the Patriots were doing nothing wrong. The sting blew up in his face.

The Colts (and perhaps the Ravens) didn't exactly behave honorably, but they're not really expected to so I don't see anything they did as a big deal. It is the corrupt POS in the league office who should pay.
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My opinion is that the length of time time for all these investigations has more to do with public relations than it does actual time needed to investigate the specific issue.
If that were the case then they would have released it already. The 2 best weekends to minimize bad PR have already come and gone.
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