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Old 01-04-2008, 09:37 AM   #16
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Originally posted by Brownfan80 on 01-04-2008 at 09:30 AM
Yeah he made the right choice if it was an option. Tommy just underthrew him by about 6 yards or so.

An 'option' route is where a WR can change his route depending on the defense, correct?

So he might run a post or a corner, or a 'comeback' or some such other variety of routes depending on the defenses alignment? And those changes are made during the route, correct, not just pre-snap?
Yes. An "option" route relies on the QB and WR making the same read. Most common would be say the WR making a break at 15 yards. The option could be a post, post-corner, out or comeback. Pre-snap he'd usually just glance at the QB, acknowledging the read. At the break, if it's the out or comeback the ball is delivered and if the WR sells the route well enough the QB can pump and then drop it over the top for the post or post-corner if that was their read.

Sometimes the adjustment is made during the route, but only if it's obvious. If the QB looks off the WR, you run the risk of them not seeing the same thing and bad things happening.
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Very interesting stuff. I guess that gives a little more insight into why some new players have trouble with terminology or the play-book in a new system.

A lot of information with not a lot of terminology to convey it.
That terminology is simple. NFL terminology is mad crazy. In the height of their "greatest show on turf" days, Martz was installing 200+ new plays a week. Each a slight variation of another, with shifting differences and the sort. Craziness. NFL QBs are way smart.
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That terminology is simple. NFL terminology is mad crazy. In the height of their "greatest show on turf" days, Martz was installing 200+ new plays a week. Each a slight variation of another, with shifting differences and the sort. Craziness. NFL QBs are way smart.
I'm glad I'm just a Madden Armchair QB or my brain might melt.
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What is this route called? Is this a 'square in'?
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What is this route called? Is this a 'square in'?
That looks like a tag off a chair route to take advantage of how a defender has been playing the chair.
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:05 AM   #21
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What is this route called? Is this a 'square in'?
Nah, that just looks like a busted play. Typically a "square in" refers to a shorter in-cut. Maybe 3 to 5 yards upfield and then a sharp cut in. Like the 0 cut on the far left of the passing tree above.

Routes in general are pretty simple. Think about it in terms of time. That route requires a receiver to run upfield, sell his route out, the cut up, and cut back in. It should take a decent amount of time to develop that route, but for minimal reward. Now if it's more of a double move, where he is just selling the out, heading upfield and cutting in, then it would just be a longer in route with the WR doing some selling.
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:15 AM   #22
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Nah, that just looks like a busted play. Typically a "square in" refers to a shorter in-cut. Maybe 3 to 5 yards upfield and then a sharp cut in. Like the 0 cut on the far left of the passing tree above.

Routes in general are pretty simple. Think about it in terms of time. That route requires a receiver to run upfield, sell his route out, the cut up, and cut back in. It should take a decent amount of time to develop that route, but for minimal reward. Now if it's more of a double move, where he is just selling the out, heading upfield and cutting in, then it would just be a longer in route with the WR doing some selling.
Well in real football it might be a bust play route.. but that route is in the Patriots playbook on Madden. And it never frickin' works.

It takes too long and you can never throw to the WR running that route.

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That looks like a tag off a chair route to take advantage of how a defender has been playing the chair.
A chair route is #10 on the diagram?
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A chair route is #10 on the diagram?
Out and up.
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This rounded route is also all over the Patriots play book in Madden:
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Out and up.
I knew that! Damnit! Then what is a chair route?




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I knew that! Damnit! Then what is a chair route?

Same route, different name.
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This rounded route is also all over the Patriots play book in Madden:
That's a wheel. RBs will stay back for a second like they're in pass pro and then release around the line for a dump-off. Kevin Faulk is the master of this route.
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I only coach little kids but I always have to warn them the QB needs to throw in about 3 seconds tops and any "route" that would take longer "but what if I do an down, out, back, in and then go long coach?"
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Brownfan80 are you considering a carear as a WR or something?..you are certanley getting to know your routes bro..lol

And michigan dave knows his shit..are you some sort of WR or something??..lol
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