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Old 02-13-2006, 09:44 PM   #61
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"allowed" to watch TV? Or what? They'll burn in the hellfires of damnation for eternity? ;)

This is the part where the thread ends up in the political forum I guess.
Just avoiding distractions. This day and age, if you think about it, it kinda makes sense. TV ain't exactly good wholesome material these days.
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"allowed" to watch TV? Or what? They'll burn in the hellfires of damnation for eternity? ;)

This is the part where the thread ends up in the political forum I guess.
What Moebius said.
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Old 02-13-2006, 09:48 PM   #63
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"Other sheep I have which are not of this fold". That's what it covers.
That made a lot of sense to me as I started my journey to convert.
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For those who went to Sunday School or read the Bible, you most likely came across the phrase "Other sheep I have which are not of this fold". That's what it covers.
I came across a few other phrases in Sunday School....

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)


Sorry Had to do it.

Ah well, thanks for informing me a bit about the Mormon religion. I'll try and be nicer to em if they ever come to my house again. ;)
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Same as the '72 Dolphins. Now, it has become a tired and silly ritual through the years watching these graying and balding men gather each year to pop champagne corks whenever the last unbeaten team falls, and that sad clinging to the past diminishes what they did, and it if there is one thing even Pats-haters can agree on, it's this: a 19-0 Pats team makes that annual ritual disappear, mercifully, forever.

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Old 02-13-2006, 09:57 PM   #65
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Just avoiding distractions. This day and age, if you think about it, it kinda makes sense. TV ain't exactly good wholesome material these days.
I second that. The amount of violence disturbs me. Last fall, in particular, there was an ad for a show (I think it was NCIS) that showed a woman being shot in the head and blood pooling around her. And I remember thinking, if I find this unsettling, how does a kid feel seeing this?

Not that it was much better in my day. Some of my earliest memories are seeing people get murdered on shows like Vega$ and Charlie's Angels.

But anyway, I would just like to emphasize that I don't have a problem with the Book of Mormon, this is just what we were told at the Lutheran school I attended. Keep in mind we were also told that anyone who didn't believe exactly what we believed was going to hell - Catholics, Methodists, Jews, Hindus, non-believers; even those who had never had a chance to accept what we were taught.

That was a big problem I had with that church as I got older. I just couldn't understand why God would send someone to Hell just for believing what they were raised to believe.
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That was a big problem I had with that church as I got older. I just couldn't understand why God would send someone to Hell just for believing what they were raised to believe.
Yeah, that was one of the few times in my life I've ever been completely angered in a religious discussion. Ended up in a chat with a guy who was the minister at one of the local giagantachurces when we came to a discussion about one of my friends who had just lost a newborn to SIDS. I was pretty upset about that as it was when the guy spouts "A tragedy the kid's going to hell". I just about hit him. I asked him if he was implying that the God he preaches about would send an infant who didn't have a chance to even believe in anything, let alone sin to hell. He stammered around a bit with that, and I had to walk away.
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Yeah, that was one of the few times in my life I've ever been completely angered in a religious discussion. Ended up in a chat with a guy who was the minister at one of the local giagantachurces when we came to a discussion about one of my friends who had just lost a newborn to SIDS. I was pretty upset about that as it was when the guy spouts "A tragedy the kid's going to hell". I just about hit him. I asked him if he was implying that the God he preaches about would send an infant who didn't have a chance to even believe in anything, let alone sin to hell. He stammered around a bit with that, and I had to walk away.
Bah! There is no hell, unless you count Detroit.
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C'mon, admit it. We're crazy. Everyone knows it.

When I was in high school, my friends and I all took a couple of months to go to each others' churches to learn about them. We had a First Christian (not sure what that really denomination derives from), a Baptist, a Catholic, an Episcopalian, and the Mormon me. Mostly we learned two things. Most religions are basically alike, and that alot of folks hate Mormons.

The week we went to the Baptist friends church, the pastor (or minister, whichever he's called) chose that day to give an anti-Mormon sermon. It was rather funny for all of us to listen to him. Me because I know my own religion and my friends because they knew my family. He was basically quoting stuff from the more popular anti-Mormon books and literature. Stuff like we have to take showers with one foot outside touching garments, which was my favorite. We spent most of the time trying to control our giggling.

Afterwards, the Pastor came up to us to chide my member friend. He said that he wasn't sure all the guy's statements were accurate. He assured us that he knew what he was talking about and asked why we'd question that. My friend pointed to me and told him I was Mormon. He then proceeded to try and prove his statements until I started listing some of the books he'd used to quote from. After that he got flustered and stalked off.

My friend never went back (not sure about his parents). Though he didn't convert to LDS or anything, he told me there's no way he could respect someone who's supposed to be religious using his position to spread lies and ill will.

Among my friends, we decided every religion is crazy looking unless you believe in it.

Dude, Moebs.... You're not a mormon. You're just a little confused with the premise here and you added an extra "m".

Seriously though, you're born and raised in the bible belt, family in Mississippi and now you're telling us that you're mormon? Who'd have thought?

I don't care either way about the mormons or jehova's. Just more people to me. One of my best buddies is a jehova. A drinking, smoking farting jehova. We'd get into funny-ass arguments when drinking back in the day and he'd occasionally come back with a "don't make me knock on your door and go Watchtower on your ass pookie!"
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Several years ago, during the summer, there must have been some sort of contest between magazine sellers and religious door knockers to see how many of them can knock on my door before I got pissed off.

If I remember correctly, I had 2 magazine sellers and 3 different holy rollers come to my door on a Saturday. Every time, I was called to the door because no one in family has the balls to say no and close the door. (Plus being 6'1" and large, standing about 8" above the front porch, I guess there is "scary" factor there").

Well on Sunday, I got another visit from a holy roller and I got so pissed I told them that I was in the middle of my weekly Satan study group. I then told them we were discussing human vs. animal sacrifices and that we could use another point of view in the discussion.

Well the look on their faces were priceless and they left very quickly. I watched them as they walked down my driveway, the signaled to the others in the "clan" and they got in their van and left the entire neighborhood.

Now if there is a way I can get rid of the magazine salesman......
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Just avoiding distractions. This day and age, if you think about it, it kinda makes sense. TV ain't exactly good wholesome material these days.
Don't attempt to attack my world like this.

Bible vs TV

Sex - check
Violence - check
Moral Values - (ever watch full house?) check

I'm gonna call it a draw.
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Someone told me Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate Halloween. Something about they don't like strange people showing up on their doorstep uninvited.

Is that true?
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Someone told me Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate Halloween. Something about they don't like strange people showing up on their doorstep uninvited.

Is that true?
It's true that they don't celebrate Halloween.
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Dude, Moebs.... You're not a mormon. You're just a little confused with the premise here and you added an extra "m".
Well, you know how it goes. Besides, it's something to take pride in. Even charitable. There was one member of the church some years back that started working with mentally challenged people. Trying to teach them, have fun, all the good stuff. Eventually he started trying to teach them to sing. After practice, if they'd done well, he'd given them a snack, usually fruit (they liked apples) and something to drink. He usually went for diet soft drinks, after all, sugar rushes with this crowd could be bad. Eventually, they got pretty good and the rest, as pretty much anyone should know, is history. They formed


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Wow, am I glad I'm an atheist. My head is spinning with all this theology. Although it is very interesting. So many different beliefs and everyone thinks their's is the correct one. Many have their religion chosen for them at birth; some choose it because of love; others shop for the one that comes closest to their core morals.

As Spock would say, "Fascinating, Jim."

I live my life by the rules of common human decency....Love, protect and respect my family; don't do harm to others. I've had family members say they pray for me...that's OK, I know it's meant out of love.

What is really intersting about this thread is that it shows that religion does not have to degenerate into a flame fest.

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