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Old 01-09-2020, 05:55 PM   #31
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OK one very simple question.

Did or did not Barr assign Durham the role of investigating if the investigation onto Trump et al was properly predicated.

Yes or no.
That was stated.

However, it was immediately explained as just how low the bar is to start an investigation. And that very early on it should have been closed.
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OK one very simple question.

Did or did not Barr assign Durham the role of investigating if the investigation onto Trump et al was properly predicated.

Yes or no.
This answers all your questions.

https://www.scribd.com/document/4098...ham#from_embed

Prior letter from Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows to U.S. Attorney John H Durham in January of 2019, about the October 18, 2018, testimony from former FBI legal counsel James Baker where Baker’s lawyers identified Durham as a prosecutor investigating the claims of Baker leaking to media.

It's pretty clear.
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:38 PM   #33
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That was stated.
So then, if Barr assigned Durham to investigate if the Russigate investigation was properly predicated, then that could not have happened prior to him being appointed on February 14, 2019.

So how in gods name could any investigation Durham had performed prior to that been considered part of that investigation?

The Baron would have us believe that somehow Rogers knew that Barr would be appointed AG and assign Durham to investigate the Russiagate kerfuffle a year ahead of time.

The fact that Durham was investigating leaks that may be related to the kerfuffle "proves" it was the same thing simply doesn't hold water.

Riddle me this.

Just what makes you, the Baron, or anyone else, think that a "leak investigation" must inevitably lead to a further investigation into Russiagate? or more importantly, that it would target the leaders of the various Intelligence Agencies?

Hell, it is well established Brennen lied to Congress about spying on the Senate and no one has charged him with perjury.

Why on earth should Rogers think that a leak investigation wouldn't simply stay focused on lower level employees who leaked?
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:50 PM   #34
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This answers all your questions.

https://www.scribd.com/document/4098...ham#from_embed

Prior letter from Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows to U.S. Attorney John H Durham in January of 2019, about the October 18, 2018, testimony from former FBI legal counsel James Baker where Baker’s lawyers identified Durham as a prosecutor investigating the claims of Baker leaking to media.

It's pretty clear.
The hell it does.

How does the letter start?
In October 2017, the House Committees on Judiciary and Oversight and Government Reform began investigating decision-making and actions at the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in the context of the 2016 Presidential Election
So who is investigating Russia gate here?

Congress, not Durham.

They reinforce that later.

During the course of our investigation we interviewed former FBI General Counsel James Baker and discovered your office is investigating him for unauthorized disclosures to the media:


And what is the leak that they appear to be interested in?

We are writing to request additional information about your ongoing criminal investigation of James Baker, as disclosed to the Committees by Mr. Baker's attorney.

On January 11, 2019, The New York Times published a story describing how senior FBI officials speculated about the President's motives in terminating Director James Comey. The story described testimony given to the Committee in October by former FBI General Counsel James Baker. As the DOJ Office of Inspector General (OIG) has documented, other senior FBI officials also disclosed sensitive information to the media—most notably, former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. McCabe was fired for lying to the FBI' s inspections division, lying to OIG investigators, and for lying to former Director James Comey about unauthorized communications with a news organization.

As we continue our oversight and investigative work, we felt it prudent to write to you seeking an update. Without being apprised of the contours of your leak investigation and Baker's role, we run the risk of inadvertently interfering with your prosecutorial plans. We have interviewed a multitude of current and former DOJ and FBI officials during our investigation and intend to continue our work in this Congress, hopefully with the support of Chairman Elijah Cummings.


So no, this doesn't say anything at all to show that Durham was investigating Russiagate before Barr assigned him to that role.

This letter doesn't ask about leaks associated with the Steele dossier, it talks about leaks associated with the Comey firing.
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So then, if Barr assigned Durham to investigate if the Russigate investigation was properly predicated, then that could not have happened prior to him being appointed on February 14, 2019.

So how in gods name could any investigation Durham had performed prior to that been considered part of that investigation?

The Baron would have us believe that somehow Rogers knew that Barr would be appointed AG and assign Durham to investigate the Russiagate kerfuffle a year ahead of time.

The fact that Durham was investigating leaks that may be related to the kerfuffle "proves" it was the same thing simply doesn't hold water.

Riddle me this.

Just what makes you, the Baron, or anyone else, think that a "leak investigation" must inevitably lead to a further investigation into Russiagate? or more importantly, that it would target the leaders of the various Intelligence Agencies?

Hell, it is well established Brennen lied to Congress about spying on the Senate and no one has charged him with perjury.

Why on earth should Rogers think that a leak investigation wouldn't simply stay focused on lower level employees who leaked?
Occam’s Razor – Did NSA Admiral Mike Rogers Warn Trump On November 17th, 2016?…

Posted on March 3, 2017

Sometimes the utilization of Timelines means you have to look at the new information with a keen awareness of specific events. In hindsight, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers may have notified Team Trump of Obama’s Intelligence Community (James Clapper and John Brennan) spying on their activity.

As you look at the FISA request dates below, it’s important to note that NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers would be keenly aware of both the June request – Denied, and the October request – Granted. Pay specific attention to the October request. “October”!.

June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

On Tuesday November 8th, 2016 the election was held. Results announced Wednesday November 9th, 2016.

On Thursday November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Mike Rogers traveled to New York and met with President-Elect Donald Trump.

On Friday November 18th The Washington Post reported on a recommendation in “October” that Mike Rogers be removed from his NSA position:

The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.

The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

[…] In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c35_story.html

Remember, historically The Washington Post is the preferred outlet for the CIA and Intelligence Community within Deep State to dump their “leaks” and stories. The State Department “leaks” to CNN for the same purposes.

On Saturday November 19th Reuters reported on the WaPo Story and additional pressure by Defense Secretary Ash Carter and DNI James Clapper to fire Mike Rogers.

[…] The Washington Post reported that a decision by Rogers to travel to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday without notifying superiors caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, but the recommendation to remove him predated his visit.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u..._medium=Social


1.The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. It was denied.

2.In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.

3. At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.

4. A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.

Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.

Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?
….Seems likely.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ber-17th-2016/

The entire thing didn't originate with Barr, or with Durham...it originated with Rogers.

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Occam’s Razor – Did NSA Admiral Mike Rogers Warn Trump On November 17th, 2016?…

Posted on March 3, 2017

Sometimes the utilization of Timelines means you have to look at the new information with a keen awareness of specific events. In hindsight, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers may have notified Team Trump of Obama’s Intelligence Community (James Clapper and John Brennan) spying on their activity.

As you look at the FISA request dates below, it’s important to note that NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers would be keenly aware of both the June request – Denied, and the October request – Granted. Pay specific attention to the October request. “October”!.

June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

On Tuesday November 8th, 2016 the election was held. Results announced Wednesday November 9th, 2016.

On Thursday November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Mike Rogers traveled to New York and met with President-Elect Donald Trump.

On Friday November 18th The Washington Post reported on a recommendation in “October” that Mike Rogers be removed from his NSA position:

The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.

The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

[…] In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c35_story.html

Remember, historically The Washington Post is the preferred outlet for the CIA and Intelligence Community within Deep State to dump their “leaks” and stories. The State Department “leaks” to CNN for the same purposes.

On Saturday November 19th Reuters reported on the WaPo Story and additional pressure by Defense Secretary Ash Carter and DNI James Clapper to fire Mike Rogers.

[…] The Washington Post reported that a decision by Rogers to travel to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday without notifying superiors caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, but the recommendation to remove him predated his visit.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u..._medium=Social


1.The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. It was denied.

2.In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.

3. At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.

4. A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.

Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.

Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?
….Seems likely.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ber-17th-2016/

The entire thing didn't originate with Barr, or with Durham...it originated with Rogers.

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Could it be any simpler?
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Occam’s Razor – Did NSA Admiral Mike Rogers Warn Trump On November 17th, 2016?…

~snip~

Satisfied?
So let's see.

Rogers may have informed Trump in 2016 and it was recommended that he be fired shortly after the election.

Yet, he wasn't, and his retiring in 2018 was so he could testify to Durham.

So even if we assume 100% of what you have in this post is correct, he wasn't fired for telling Trump that he was being spyed on, Trump knew that had happened and for some reason, didn't push to have someone in the DOJ to start an investigation into that spying, but let things stew for 2+ years until he got Barr as AG.

Meanwhile, in some bizzaro universe, Rogers couldn't possibly have given testimony to Durham, unless he had resigned, so he resigned over a year before Durham was assigned to investigate said spying, in the full anticipation he would be asked to testify.

Yeah, that makes sense.
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I don't understand why you can't grasp this.

Rogers giving testimony to Durham does not preclude Rogers spilling the beans prior to Durham.
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I don't understand why you can't grasp this.

Rogers giving testimony to Durham does not preclude Rogers spilling the beans prior to Durham.
Uh did the link I question not state specifically that the reason Rodgers retired was so he could provide testimony to Durham with regards to Russiagate?

That is the statement I find ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is that Durham was not yet investigating Russigate at the time of Rogers retirement.

Furthermore there would be nothing to prevent Rogers from testifying on the topic should he still be on the job.

And I don't have any problem understanding why you can't grasp that.
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Uh did the link I question not state specifically that the reason Rodgers retired was so he could provide testimony to Durham with regards to Russiagate?

That is the statement I find ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is that Durham was not yet investigating Russigate at the time of Rogers retirement.

Furthermore there would be nothing to prevent Rogers from testifying on the topic should he still be on the job.

And I don't have any problem understanding why you can't grasp that.

Oh, now I get it....


No, that's not what it says...read closely.


EDIT:

Take Durham out of it. Take Durham out of the sentence.

Why did Rogers retire?

The blue letters, for the record, are not in the Q post (nor are they mine...they are whomever made the graphic)...this is the actual Q post;

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 0517d5 No.6968462 �� 3389
Jul 9 2019 12:54:43 (EST)

AG & Rogers meeting?
Durham & Rogers meeting(s)?
Why did Rogers retire?
Why did Rogers visit POTUS @ TT w/o authorization shortly after a SCIF was installed?
Why did select former ABC directors call for the removal of Rogers?
Why did POTUS move his transition command center (base of ops) from TT the VERY NEXT DAY?
Q


The blue letters were added by the person quoting the Q post.

Nonetheless....Rogers retired to initiate the investigation...to spill the beans. He presumably had no idea who would be leading it, but he knew he would cooperate with it.

That's the answer you're looking for.

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Oh, now I get it....


No, that's not what it says...read closely.


EDIT:

Take Durham out of it. Take Durham out of the sentence.

Why did Rogers retire?

The blue letters, for the record, are not in the Q post (nor are they mine...they are whomever made the graphic)...this is the actual Q post;

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 0517d5 No.6968462 �� 3389
Jul 9 2019 12:54:43 (EST)

AG & Rogers meeting?
Durham & Rogers meeting(s)?
Why did Rogers retire?
Why did Rogers visit POTUS @ TT w/o authorization shortly after a SCIF was installed?
Why did select former ABC directors call for the removal of Rogers?
Why did POTUS move his transition command center (base of ops) from TT the VERY NEXT DAY?
Q


The blue letters were added by the person quoting the Q post.

Nonetheless....Rogers retired to initiate the investigation...to spill the beans. He presumably had no idea who would be leading it, but he knew he would cooperate with it.

That's the answer you're looking for.
Jesus H fucking Christ.

Can you even keep track of your own bullshit?

Apparently not.

In the above post it's all about Rogers testifying to whomever is investigating Russiagate.

I'll set aside the obvious 300 pound gorilla, why he would have to retire to testify and simply quote your other posts in this thread.

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It is the same thing, the Steele Dossier leaks.
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Seems to me that maybe you are unaware of how the Steele Dossier was leaked to the media, and those media reports were used to validate the Dossier for the FISA court.

Not just be Steele, but the many related leaks from agents involved in Crossfire Hurricane to the media.

These are an inseparable part of the Russia Investigation.
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Not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse or are unaware of the role that leaks played in the FISA warrants.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and offer a brief summary;

The Steele Dossier was central to the Russia Collusion investigation

The Steele Dossier was central to obtaining the FISA warrant on Carter Page

The Steele Dossier was corroborated by various reports in the media, and these reports were used in the FISA court to validate the Steele Dossier

Media reports derived from leaks from the Crossfire Hurricane investigation were used to validate the Steele Dossier as well. In addition to leaks from Steele himself, agents within the FBI involved int he Crossfire Hurricane Operation were leaking the same details to the media that Steele was, thus establishing multiple source vetting for the stories.

In summary, the media was receiving the same details from sources both within the FBI, and outside sources, and printing stories derived from the Steele Dossier.

These stories were then used by the FBI to corroborate and validate the Steele Dossier to obtain the Carter Page FISA warrant.

Therefore....the leak investigation, and the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, are the same investigation, because they are inextricable from one another, involving the same parties, the same subject, and the same source material.
So what the frack happened to Durham's leak investigation and his present Russigate investigation being the same thing?

Do you read what you actually post here?

More to the point, do you have the slightest grasp as to the meaning of the words you post here?

Oh, and on what grounds to you simply wipe out the text in blue?

That was exactly what I was talking about from my initial post.

And you can't simply dismiss it since one of the questions that you believe is germane is:
Why did Rogers retire?
So i ask you one very simple question.

Why would he have to retire to testify in Russiagate?
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So let's see.

Rogers may have informed Trump in 2016 and it was recommended that he be fired shortly after the election.

Yet, he wasn't, and his retiring in 2018 was so he could testify to Durham.

So even if we assume 100% of what you have in this post is correct, he wasn't fired for telling Trump that he was being spyed on, Trump knew that had happened and for some reason, didn't push to have someone in the DOJ to start an investigation into that spying, but let things stew for 2+ years until he got Barr as AG.

Meanwhile, in some bizzaro universe, Rogers couldn't possibly have given testimony to Durham, unless he had resigned, so he resigned over a year before Durham was assigned to investigate said spying, in the full anticipation he would be asked to testify.

Yeah, that makes sense.
Question, who was he going to have investigate, who could he trust?
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Question, who was he going to have investigate, who could he trust?
Agree.

Look no further than the Hillary email disaster.

If you let the wolves investigate themselves all is forgiven. Whitewashed.

He had to wait to make sure he had a loyal investigative team in place.
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Question, who was he going to have investigate, who could he trust?
Not sure which "He" you're referring to here, Trump or Rogers.

If you mean Trump, then I assume your comment is in regards to the Trump waiting 2+ years to get Barr as AG to appoint Durham.

If you're suggesting he didn't trust Sessions to appoint someone who would do a proper investigation, then two points.

1) Why didn't he fire his ass sooner and appoint Barr?

2) If Barr isn't someone Trump can trust, and so by default neither can he trust Durham, then the investigation is meaningless and that makes the idea that Rogers retirement has anything to do with the Durham investigation even more ridiculous.

If you mean Rogers, why would he instigate any type of investigation? How was it his role to investigate any other branch of government.

Unless....

He went to a member of Congress, got coached on his statement, got the whistleblower regulations modified to facilitate his accusation, and then.........

Naw, couldn't happen, too far fetched.
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