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Old 04-05-2018, 07:30 PM   #1
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Patriots sign WR Jordan Matthews



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Very nice if he's indeed healthy and he buys-in. Probably best suited in the slot ....
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Injured a lot...but, low risk and could be a good sign.
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From my notes in 2014.

Matthews should please those here who thought Cooks was 'soft'. He doesn't have Cooks' speed but he'll fight for the ball and he's strong enough to hold ground against defenders in tight quarters. Extremely productive All-American receiver at Vanderbilt of all places.


Matthews isn't fast enough to be a true #1 Boundary WR but he has the makings of a good “big slot” or split receiver who can find openings in zone and win the ball in tight coverage. His size means he won't face a lot of press man looks. His huge hands help him make difficult catches. A tougher, stronger more determined Aaron Dobson.

High-effort player with good hands and a toughness to his game to make catches in high-traffic areas. The analytics crowd loves Mathews for his height, weight, combine data, and the percentage of total offense he produced for Vanderbilt. He only meets 3 of BB's athletic requirements but they're the most important 3

Matthews has good height and wiry strength. The fact he had 21 reps at the combine is impressive for a tall, long-armed receiver.
He does a good job finding open seams in zone coverage and will work through multiple defenders or layers of zone to find that opening, even if the initial break doesn't come open. Matthews also works back to the quarterback on broken plays.

He does a good job of driving off the line of scrimmage to force defenders into a back pedal, but needs to so it more consistently. Matthews flashes deep speed but despite his 4.46 40 at the combine, he doesn't play that fast in games.
Matthews will need play-action passes to be able to get open on deep crosses, posts, or double moves.

He's not going to beat corners in the league with pure deep speed.

Matthews is consistent with getting good depth on short and intermediate routes and his timing is exceptional. Even so, his breaks are clumsy bc he takes too many steps. I think he’ll improve his execution quickly with coaching bc I have seen him make clean hard breaks on comeback routes.

His release from the LOS needs work. Matthews will have to develop more effective combinations of footwork and hand usage at the point of attack. He must also learn to use the defender’s press position to his advantage without fighting for the desired path at the beginning of the route. The potential is there for Matthews to improve against press, but he struggles off the line against tight man coverage more than most.
When he catches the ball with his hands on routes facing the quarterback he has to make a better effort of not trapping balls into his body on these routes.
He uses his body well to shield the ball from the opponent. He has a good sense of the boundary and he shows some skill to keep both feet in bounds. He also tracks the ball well.
He sets up defenders in the open field and does a good job taking away angles but he's not a quick twitch guy who can jump cut to avoid a hit. He has good burst and rarely gets caught from behind. When a defensive back gets an angle he'd better wrap up and finish bc Matthews has good balance & tends to stay upright after contact.

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Matthews will probably be one of the first 7-8 receivers off the board but I put Matthews in the middle of the pack of this year's WR class for the Pats. However, my gut feeling on Matthews’ prospects is higher than my Pats ranking. In college games, Matthews was as fast as he needed to be but speed to gain separation isn't his strength. Otoh, neither is quickness which BB (and Brady) covets. Some may think he resembles RMoss in the way he plays off the defender & catches the ball so smoothly; he's not Moss. His transition to the NFL is difficult pinpoint despite his success in college. That's why I have him as the 20th WR in this draft for the Pats even though I know some team will draft him in the late 1st or early 2nd round as a #1 outside receiver. If he learns to handle press better he can line up outside but he's still not a #1 receiver any more than Dobson is (although he's a lot tougher than Dobson). That's not the best way to use Jordan Matthews despite his size, strength and 40 time.

Ironically, Matthews might be the safest WR to pick in this class because of his high floor but he doesn't have the upside of Mike Evans, Odell Beckham or DeAndre Hopkins. 5th round or 6th round as a big slot or split end for the Pats.

NFL comparison - Sanu, Colston.

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Young vet, good height, gives us a tall option in the slot for mismatches, consistently productive with Philly (85 catches in 2nd year) before landing in Buffalo where he fell off a cliff and got injured, good blocker and good guy.

This is a solid signing that upgrades the WR depth chart. He will make the team unless he catches the Ochocinco virus.

We are still going to need somebody that can scare DBs and get downfield to replace Cooks. Right now that guy is not on our roster, unless Phillip Dorsett has spent the offseason in a swiss laboratory undergoing secret gene splicing experiments.

Day two WR? We'll just have to wait and see.
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unless Phillip Dorsett has spent the offseason in a swiss laboratory undergoing secret gene splicing experiments.
Dorsett was not present for OTAs or camp last year. With a full off season under his belt I'm hoping he moves up Brady's trust chart. The dude is a burner and has potential.

Now that Matthews is on board I'd say we are set at the WR position and I would be be mildly surprised if we take a WR in the first 7 rounds. The WR competition in camp is going to be fierce.
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Pats receivers by draft round:
Round 1: Britt, Dorsett Patterson
Round 2: Matthews
Round 4: Mitchell
Round 5: Slater
Round 7: Edelman
UDFA: Hogan, Hollister, McCarron

Funny how BB ends up with so many over drafted players.
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Young vet, good height, gives us a tall option in the slot for mismatches, consistently productive with Philly (85 catches in 2nd year) before landing in Buffalo where he fell off a cliff and got injured, good blocker and good guy.

This is a solid signing that upgrades the WR depth chart. He will make the team unless he catches the Ochocinco virus.

We are still going to need somebody that can scare DBs and get downfield to replace Cooks. Right now that guy is not on our roster, unless Phillip Dorsett has spent the offseason in a swiss laboratory undergoing secret gene splicing experiments.

Day two WR? We'll just have to wait and see.
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Dorsett was not present for OTAs or camp last year. With a full off season under his belt I'm hoping he moves up Brady's trust chart. The dude is a burner and has potential.

Now that Matthews is on board I'd say we are set at the WR position and I would be be mildly surprised if we take a WR in the first 7 rounds. The WR competition in camp is going to be fierce.
Dorsett is a hard worker and well thought of by the coaches. He needs practice reps with Brady to learn how to track and catch reliably. He can learn.

I'd also be surprised if the Pats draft a WR before the 6th rnd although I almost expect BB to pick up a vet released by another team as camp fodder for QB reps only.
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Pats receivers by draft round:
Round 1: Britt, Dorsett Patterson
Round 2: Matthews
Round 4: Mitchell
Round 5: Slater
Round 7: Edelman
UDFA: Hogan, Hollister, McCarron

Funny how BB ends up with so many over drafted players.
Thanks for that list - there have been so many signings that I had lost track of who was coming into camp.

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Dorsett is a hard worker and well thought of by the coaches. He needs practice reps with Brady to learn how to track and catch reliably. He can learn.

I'd also be surprised if the Pats draft a WR before the 6th rnd although I almost expect BB to pick up a vet released by another team as camp fodder for QB reps only.
Sure, it's possible and even now and again he will flash something that makes you take notice.

But, he's been in the league for three years now and I'm not expecting that he turns into anything special. He's averaged about 20 catches and 1 TD per season.

Having said that, he looks almost identical to Cooks on the field. Same body, same speed, same sort of movement skills. He's got explosive athletic skills but there has been something missing.

Hopefully, your theory that he needs reps with Brady is a good one. If I was looking for positive signs-- he's only caught about 50% of his career targets but that number went up to 66% with us last season.

I think it's hands and ball security and improvements in those areas might boost his confidence level, but those are major issues to overcome.

I want a burner from the draft, because I don't think we should count on him.
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Hogan is not a burner, but he was a deep threat two years ago. Who knows if Bill likes him better in that role and 17.9 ypc is a nice number
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Sure, it's possible and even now and again he will flash something that makes you take notice.

But, he's been in the league for three years now and I'm not expecting that he turns into anything special. He's averaged about 20 catches and 1 TD per season.

Having said that, he looks almost identical to Cooks on the field. Same body, same speed, same sort of movement skills. He's got explosive athletic skills but there has been something missing.

Hopefully, your theory that he needs reps with Brady is a good one. If I was looking for positive signs-- he's only caught about 50% of his career targets but that number went up to 66% with us last season.

I think it's hands and ball security and improvements in those areas might boost his confidence level, but those are major issues to overcome.

I want a burner from the draft, because I don't think we should count on him.
I do NOT want a “burner”.

I don’t know why we get fixated on this.

It’s not Bradys strength.

I want another short to intermediate guy who excels at seperation and is cerebral enough to get on the same page as TB.

Maybe 2.
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I always get a little nervous when I see Brady wind up to chuck it deep. It's never been the best part of his game, and it makes him vunerable to big hits. The only advantages are keeping defenses honest, and all the penalties they were able to draw last year. I love this signing, I think if health isn't a factor Mathews can have similar production to cooks a a fraction of the price. The best part to me though is hopefully it keeps bill from drafting a WR with a pick in the top three rounds,, something else that makes me nervous.. He's a lot better at hitting on LBs, and guys close to the ball. Fill WR and secondary needs with free agents and late round picks, stick with what the brain trust does well and use high round picks on line backers, and dline types with a Oline guy thrown in here or there. I know there's a few exceptions, to this rule, but not many. Hopefully he's realized where his drafting strengths are.
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I always get a little nervous when I see Brady wind up to chuck it deep. It's never been the best part of his game, and it makes him vunerable to big hits. The only advantages are keeping defenses honest, and all the penalties they were able to draw last year. I love this signing, I think if health isn't a factor Mathews can have similar production to cooks a a fraction of the price. The best part to me though is hopefully it keeps bill from drafting a WR with a pick in the top three rounds,, something else that makes me nervous.. He's a lot better at hitting on LBs, and guys close to the ball. Fill WR and secondary needs with free agents and late round picks, stick with what the brain trust does well and use high round picks on line backers, and dline types with a Oline guy thrown in here or there. I know there's a few exceptions, to this rule, but not many. Hopefully he's realized where his drafting strengths are.
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