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Old Yesterday, 04:48 PM   #211
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Entering the U.S. illegally is a CRIME! If the left doesn't like our laws, they have the democratic right to vote to change them, but they DON'T have the right to break them!

We're constantly hearing how horrible it is that families are being separated at the border, but the truth is being INTENTIONALLY IGNORED...

Those families being separated are the ones who ALREADY crossed the border illegally! They're NOT refugees asking for entry into our country. They already broke into our country (This is a crime.), then when busted, scream asylum!

When you commit a crime in America, whether your an American or an illegal alien, you get tossed in jail... Guess what? Your kids don't get thrown in jail with you and they're not a "Get out of jail free card" that allows you to break our laws with impunity!

WHEN YOU GET SEPARATED FROM YOUR KIDS BECAUSE 'YOU' BROKE THE LAW, IT'S YOUR FAULT!


Saw this on Facebook. If you’re an American And if you break the laws repeatedly you ended up in jail and your kids can ended up in state care.
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Restrict cash flows into Mexico.

Use the money to hire a bunch of buses.. and trains.

Anyone who shows up at our southern border, gets shipped to our northern border.

Take that Trudeau.
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Entering the U.S. illegally is a CRIME! If the left doesn't like our laws, they have the democratic right to vote to change them, but they DON'T have the right to break them!

We're constantly hearing how horrible it is that families are being separated at the border, but the truth is being INTENTIONALLY IGNORED...

Those families being separated are the ones who ALREADY crossed the border illegally! They're NOT refugees asking for entry into our country. They already broke into our country (This is a crime.), then when busted, scream asylum!

When you commit a crime in America, whether your an American or an illegal alien, you get tossed in jail... Guess what? Your kids don't get thrown in jail with you and they're not a "Get out of jail free card" that allows you to break our laws with impunity!

WHEN YOU GET SEPARATED FROM YOUR KIDS BECAUSE 'YOU' BROKE THE LAW, IT'S YOUR FAULT!


Saw this on Facebook. If you’re an American And if you break the laws repeatedly you ended up in jail and your kids can ended up in state care.
Problem with this nonsense is that it is not a crime to be unlawfully present in the US.
They may have committed a crime if they gained unlawful entry, but for the ones who came across the border legally (e.g. by having a temporary visa), there is no crime being present in the US after overstaying.

That's a civil offense, but it is not a crime. So before we start spewing this, at least let us get the facts straight.
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Problem with this nonsense is that it is not a crime to be unlawfully present in the US.

They may have committed a crime if they gained unlawful entry, but for the ones who came across the border legally (e.g. by having a temporary visa), there is no crime being present in the US after overstaying.



That's a civil offense, but it is not a crime. So before we start spewing this, at least let us get the facts straight.


What percentage is which, though?


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I don't have those numbers, I'm afraid. However, if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the majority is likely to have entered into the US legally and simply overstayed.

If I have time to follow up on this, I am sure someone will have statistics that we could post in this thread.

If I am correct (and I expect to be correct at least 90% of the time), it also throws into question the effectiveness of a border wall.
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I don't have those numbers, I'm afraid. However, if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the majority is likely to have entered into the US legally and simply overstayed.

If I have time to follow up on this, I am sure someone will have statistics that we could post in this thread.

If I am correct (and I expect to be correct at least 90% of the time), it also throws into question the effectiveness of a border wall.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ants-come-air/

40% overstay their visas/ work permits etc. Overstaying your visa is illegal once the visa expires you’re here illegally. If caught, you’re deported and can not re- enter the country for a minimum of 3 years and a maximum of 10.

https://immigration.findlaw.com/depo...unishment.html

Re- entry after deportation is a felony.

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Yes, but this is not a crime. It is a civil offense. Let me repeat, overstaying your non-immigrant visa is not a criminal offense. It's like getting a fine, except instead of a fine you get deported.

As your link points out, it is likely that the number of overstays is much higher than 40% -- quick googling suggests this is the case and that the trend is that people come legally and overstay.
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@Anderson - according to WaPo's fact checking this qualifies as factually true but misleading to a layperson.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b891cd15f9d5

Also FYI, they cite 55-60% of "illegals" are here from overstays rather than clandestine border crossing, so slightly higher than the 40% you conservativly cited.

None of this excuses separating parents from children by the way. That's gross and needs to stop.
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It stops as soon as these assholes stop bringing their little shits over our border. Root cause analysis anyone? We, the hard working people of the United States of America are sick and fvcking tired of illegal aliens coming here, glomming off our generous nature, having their hands out, not contributing to society, being a general nuisance. There are ways to legally enter and stay here. Use them. End of story.

Christ, we're so sick of it we elected a shitbag President (yeah, it was easy based on the human c-word the Dems ran against him) but mainstream America is sick of people stealing from the taxpayers.

So act all high and mighty if it makes you feel better. Fact is I would personally catapult each and every illegal, or potential illegal, back deep into the heart of Mexico.

It sucks, because we are a generous people, but enough is enough. End of rant.
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BTW this is REALLY simple, you keep the families together during detention so if you send them back they all go together, instead of a vindictive dick move designed to get on peoples nerves.

The only reason for this policy is asshole

I'm sure you were all up in arms about this when it was happening under Obamas watch.


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