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Old 10-23-2012, 09:21 AM   #46
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I think Shelley the nympho (Chloe Sevigny) is the personification of Sister Jude (Jessica Lange) before she became a nun. I also think Mary Eunice could be Sister Jude's illegitimate daughter.

I'm not sure if the aliens are real, or a symbol for racism in 1964.

This season seems to be a tale about morals, and societal norms vs deviations; a modern, scarier, and psychotic version of "The Scarlet Letter."

I love the pace of this show!!!
We'll have to see more flashbacks of "Bloodyface" as the story moves along to see if the kid is nuts/really him or not and my guess is they keep you guessing even though the first cameo of BF suggests not. They bend reality quite a bit, so you never really know what is real.

I liked the shock/perverse tone of the opener and hope the writers keep taking chances and pushing the envelope to make it really really dark, twisted and at times sexy and kinky.

I love Jessica Lange's new character. She is an even more powerful and psychotic version of Nurse Ratched and I think her boss might be in big trouble if he messes with her. Actually, everybody in her sight is in big trouble. The woman has real acting chops and I'd bet she was psyched when she heard what her character was about.

Lots of tasty pop-culture references for film fans in this show. I caught some "Silence of the Lambs" and "Freaks" to go with "Cuckoo's Nest" and look forward to more of them moving forward.

Can't wait for tomorrow night's show.
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If you've never seen Jessica Lange in "Frances", you're really missing out on some stellar, cut-to-the-bone acting. Amazing work by a truly gifted actress.
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If you've never seen Jessica Lange in "Frances", you're really missing out on some stellar, cut-to-the-bone acting. Amazing work by a truly gifted actress.
I haven't, but thanks for the tip.

I caught a few minutes of "Blue Sky" the other night, which reminded me that while Lange is now 18 or so years further down the trail from that one she can still do sexy (IMHO) at an age when a lot of actresses are doing Lifetime movies about hunting down their runaway grandkids.

At least, I'd hit that. hnoez:
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What we know so far:

Before becoming a nun, Sr Jude was the 'town pump', and while driving drunk one night, killed (or at least, severly injured) a young girl in a hit-and-run.

Shelley was brought to the hospital by her husband after he found her in bed with 2 sailors. She witnesses Dr Arden and Sr Mary Eunice in a clandestine meeting, which she could use as leverage with Sr Jude.

Sr Mary Eunice is now possessed by a demon.

Dr Arden is a sicker f*ck than originally thought.

A piece of Dr Threadson's history was revealed when the demon in the possessed boy spoke as Threadson's mother and stated she was glad she gave him up.

Lana blew an opportunity to escape the hospital with Grace and Kit, because she believed Kit to be the killer Bloody Face. She also underwent shock therapy, at Sr Jude's request.

It seems the neighborhood kids will be denied Halloween candy at Wendy's house for the second night in a row.

The phrase 'grassy knoll' has been upstaged by 'mossy bank'.


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What we know so far:

Before becoming a nun, Sr Jude was the 'town pump', and while driving drunk one night, killed (or at least, severly injured) a young girl in a hit-and-run.

Shelley was brought to the hospital by her husband after he found her in bed with 2 sailors. She witnesses Dr Arden and Sr Mary Eunice in a clandestine meeting, which she could use as leverage with Sr Jude.

Sr Mary Eunice is now possessed by a demon.

Dr Arden is a sicker f*ck than originally thought.

A piece of Dr Threadson's history was revealed when the demon in the possessed boy spoke as Threadson's mother and stated she was glad she gave him up.

Lana blew an opportunity to escape the hospital with Grace and Kit, because she believed Kit to be the killer Bloody Face. She also underwent shock therapy, at Sr Jude's request.

It seems the neighborhood kids will be denied Halloween candy at Wendy's house for the second night in a row.

The phrase 'grassy knoll' has been upstaged by 'mossy bank'.


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Good synopsis of ep 2! Mary Eunice is gonna be a lot of fun, methinks in the coming (sp?) episodes?

The blue dress girl died, or at least we are led to believe so. They called her murderer...We saw bloody face separate from Kit, not to say more, so it appears kit is NOT bloody face after all.

That scene with the kid and the priests is very telling of where this one goes from here.
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I may be way off, but I think Dr Threadson or the Monsignor may be Bloody Face. It's always the ones who you'd least suspect.

I wonder if the creatures Dr Arden and Sr Mary are feeding are the mutilated women (after experimental medical procedures by Arden) shown in the photos found by the prostitute?

This may be a stretch, but I made a name game connection from Dr Arden to Eve Arden to Eve in the Garden of Eden with that candy apple segment. Something sure is cooking with those two.
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As with most movies/shows, music serves as a character. I did a little background check on the songs that were used, and came up with these tasty tidbits:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singing_Nun

She was born Jeanne-Paule-Marie Deckers and in September 1959 entered the Missionary Dominican Sisters of Our Lady of Fichermont, headquartered in the city of Waterloo, who had been founded to provide assistance to the Dominican friars in their missions in the Belgian Congo.<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1]</sup>
In 1963, the album was recorded in Brussels at Philips. The single "Dominique" became an international hit. Many radio stations in the U.S. played it and other softer hits more often in the wake of the John F. Kennedy assassination. Overnight, the Dominican Sister was an international celebrity, with the stage name of Sur Sourire (Sister Smile). She gave concerts and appeared on The Ed Sullivan Show on 5 January 1964.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2]</sup> "Dominique" was the first Belgian song to be a number one hit single in the United States.

Effects of fame and further musical career

In 1966, a movie called The Singing Nun was made about her, starring Debbie Reynolds in the title role. Deckers rejected the film as "fiction".<sup id="cite_ref-entertainmentweekly_2-0" class="reference">[3]</sup>
Deckers did not gain much from this international fame, and her second album, Her Joys, Her Songs, did not get much attention and disappeared almost as soon as it was released. She left the convent in 1967, planning to continue her musical career under the name Luc Dominique and to pursue social work, which she had stuied at the Louvain, becoming a lay Dominican. She moved in with a childhood friend, Anne Pecher, a physiotherapist who was also a former member of the Dominican Sisters.<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4]</sup>
Deckers released an album entitled I Am Not a Star in Heaven. Her repertoire consisted of religious songs and songs for children. Despite her renewed musical emphasis, Deckers gradually faded into obscurity, possibly because of her own disdain for fame. She was never able to duplicate the success of her one hit.
In 2012, the song is used as a recurring theme in the second season of American Horror Story.

Political views

Deckers became increasingly critical of Catholic doctrines and eventually became a public advocate for contraception. She also agreed with John Lennon's statements about Jesus in 1966.<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[citation needed]</sup> In 1967, she recorded a song entitled "Glory Be to God for the Golden Pill"a paean to artificial birth control under the name Luc Dominique. It was a commercial failure.<sup id="cite_ref-entertainmentweekly_2-1" class="reference">[3]</sup>

Last years

In 1982, she tried, once again as Sur Sourire, to score a hit with a disco synthesizer version of "Dominique", but this last attempt to resume her singing career failed.
Citing their financial difficulties in a note, she and her companion of ten years, Annie Pcher, both committed suicide by an overdose of barbiturates and alcohol on 29 March 1985.<sup id="cite_ref-jenkins_5-0" class="reference">[6]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference">[7]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-kerbyrials_7-0" class="reference">[8]</sup> She was 51.
Despite the fact that she died a suicide, she and Pcher were granted their request for a church funeral.<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference">[9]</sup> They were buried together in Cheremont Cemetery in Wavre, Walloon Brabant, the town where they died.<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference">[10]</sup> The inscription on their tombstone reads "I wanted to fly her soul across the skies", a line from Decker's song "Sister Smile is dead".<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">[11]</sup>



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dusty_springfield (sings "Wishin' and Hopin'")


Springfield was raised in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, until the early 1950s and later lived in the West London borough of Ealing.<sup id="cite_ref-rnb357_7-1" class="reference">[8]</sup> She attended St Anne's Convent School, Northfields a traditional all-girl Catholic school. The comfortable middle class upbringing was disturbed by dysfunctional tendencies in the family; her father's perfectionism, and her mother's frustrations would sometimes result in food-throwing incidents.<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference">[10]</sup> Springfield and Tom were both prone to food-throwing as adults.<sup id="cite_ref-rnb357_7-2" class="reference">[8]</sup> She was given the nickname "Dusty" due to playing football with boys in the street and was described as a tomboy.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">[11]</sup>

From 1962, Springfield's parents lived in Hove, where Catherine died in 1976 of lung cancer in a nursing home.<sup id="cite_ref-Brighton_130-0" class="reference">[131]</sup> In 1979 Gerard had a fatal heart attack in nearby Rottingdean.<sup id="cite_ref-Brighton_130-1" class="reference">[131]</sup> Some of Springfield's biographers and journalists have speculated that she had two personalities: shy, quiet, Mary O'Brien and the public face she had created as Dusty Springfield. An editorial review at Publishers Weekly of Valentine and Wickham's 2001 biography, Dancing with Demons, finds "[t]he confidence [Springfield] exuded on vinyl was a facade masking severe insecurities, addictions to drink and drugs, bouts of self-mutilation and fear of losing her career if exposed as a lesbian".<sup id="cite_ref-Cahners_131-0" class="reference">[132]</sup> Simon Bell, one of Springfield's session singers, disputed the twin personality description, "[i]t's very easy to decide there are two people, Mary and Dusty, but they were the one person. Dusty was most definitely Dusty right to the end".<sup id="cite_ref-Randall129_132-0" class="reference">[133]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-secret_11-3" class="reference"></sup> In the 1970s and early 1980s, Springfield's alcoholism and drug dependency affected her musical career.<sup id="cite_ref-BBCObit_98-2" class="reference">[99]</sup> She was hospitalised several times for self-harm by cutting herself and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder.<sup id="cite_ref-demons_17-4" class="reference">[18]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Randall128_133-0" class="reference">[134]</sup>
Springfield was never reported to be in a heterosexual relationship and this meant that the issue of her sexual orientation was raised frequently during her life.<sup id="cite_ref-repute_134-0" class="reference">[135]</sup> From mid-1966 to early 1970s Springfield lived in a domestic partnership with fellow singer, Norma Tanega. In September 1970, Springfield told Ray Connolly of the Evening Standard:<sup id="cite_ref-repute_134-1" class="reference">[135]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Connolly_135-0" class="reference">[136]</sup>
many other people say I'm bent, and I've heard it so many times that I've almost learned to accept it ... I know I'm perfectly as capable of being swayed by a girl as by a boy. More and more people feel that way and I don't see why I shouldn't.
By the standards of 1970, that was a very bold statement.<sup id="cite_ref-repute_134-2" class="reference">[135]</sup> Three years later, she explained to Chris Van Ness of Los Angeles Free Press:
I mean, people say that I'm gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay. I'm not anything. I'm just ... People are people... I basically want to be straight ... I go from men to women; I don't give a shit. The catchphrase is: I can't love a man. Now, that's my hang-up. To love, to go to bed, fantastic; but to love a man is my prime ambition ... They frighten me.<sup id="cite_ref-secret_11-4" class="reference">[12]</sup>
In the 1970s and 1980s, Springfield became involved in several romantic relationships with women in Canada and the US that were not kept secret from the gay and lesbian community. From late 1972 to 1978 Springfield had an "off and on" domestic relationship with Faye Harris, a US photojournalist.<sup id="cite_ref-Gulla372_136-0" class="reference">[137]</sup> In 1981 she had a six-month love affair with singer-musician Carole Pope of the rock band Rough Trade.<sup id="cite_ref-demons_17-5" class="reference">[18]</sup> During periods of psychological and professional instability, Springfield's involvement in some intimate relationships, influenced by addiction, resulted in episodes of personal injury. In 1982 Springfield met an American actress, Teda Bracci, at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in April 1983 the pair moved in together and seven months later they exchanged vows at a wedding ceremony which was not legally recognised under California law.<sup id="cite_ref-DailyMail_137-0" class="reference">[138]</sup> The pair had a "tempestuous" relationship which led to an altercation with both Springfield and Bracci hospitalised Springfield had been smashed in the mouth by Bracci wielding a saucepan and had teeth knocked out requiring plastic surgery.<sup id="cite_ref-DailyMail_137-1" class="reference">[138]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Gulla375_89-1" class="reference">[90]</sup> The pair had separated within two years.<sup id="cite_ref-DailyMail_137-2" class="reference">[138]</sup>




Pretty interesting

I don't know classical music, so I have no idea what the Chopin piece Dr Arden played during his "date". I'll have to listen to the soundtrack more closely over the next episodes. This show has lots of creative layers
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I may be way off, but I think Dr Threadson or the Monsignor may be Bloody Face. It's always the ones who you'd least suspect.

I wonder if the creatures Dr Arden and Sr Mary are feeding are the mutilated women (after experimental medical procedures by Arden) shown in the photos found by the prostitute?

This may be a stretch, but I made a name game connection from Dr Arden to Eve Arden to Eve in the Garden of Eden with that candy apple segment. Something sure is cooking with those two.
I am not sure if its the prostitutes he performs his twisted s&m stuff on, but they certainly are a result of his experiments at the facility. I was thinking they could be the missing patients. I was guessing the hookers were the food, his victims being devoured by the mutants to get rid of the evidence. Either way, I am guessing one group is eating the other group of his victims.

Nice work on the music. Wow. The show spares no details, even music selection. Found this on line...

Less a question and more of a comment: that “Dominique” song that’s constantly playing in the common room is really worth pondering.

Last week, I noted that this song was a major pop hit for Jeanine Deckers, the woman known as the Singing Nun. Now we know why a singing nun may appeal to Sister Jude. But there are also some other connections between that tune and our new favorite show about a dysfunctionally Catholic-run mental hospital.

As commenter wadejg noted last week, Deckers led a pretty interesting life. As this UK Express story explains, she eventually left the church to live with her female partner, with whom she eventually engaged in a suicide pact. The piece also notes that Deckers was the daughter of a baker (interesting) and contains this quote from writer Joe Queenan about the meaning of the song “Dominique”: “The song would have us believe that St. Dominic was a humble, lovable monk who fought valiantly against the forces of darkness. In fact he founded the religious order that brought mankind the monstrous Spanish Inquisition.”

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I don't even want to think about what's being concocted in the asylum bakery

Nice grab of the info on St Dominic

Where is the spider microchip taken from Kit's neck?

St Jude is the patron saint of lost causes.

Why does Grace trust Kit, and why does Lana trust Grace?

Whoever Bloody Face is, it seems he/she framed Kit and kills anyone who threatens to expose the dark secrets of the asylum.

Not sure where the modern-day story with the honeymooners fits in yet.

While Kit was processed at intake, an alien/weird creature appeared to violate him. Nothing good can come of that


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Pretty interesting

I don't know classical music, so I have no idea what the Chopin piece Dr Arden played during his "date". I'll have to listen to the soundtrack more closely over the next episodes. This show has lots of creative layers
Unbelieveable.

The story about Sister Smile is beyond strange. The use of these tunes can't be a coincidence and it was pretty smart of you to have dug this stuff up.

Good work, detective.

I believe that Sister Jude stated that "Dominique" was to be played in the day room all day long every day, which makes it somewhat amazing that everybody in the place hasn't murdered everything that moves.
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Link which lists songs used in episode 1:

http://www.tunefind.com/show/america...season-2/12489


And episode 2:

http://www.tunefind.com/show/america...season-2/12490
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Unholy lipstick, Batman!!!!

While episode 3 was definitely staggering a bit under the weight of its story lines, they were all pretty intense, with some of the best lines and scenes by Sr Jude/Jessica Lange so far. After swigging the contents of a carafe of communal wine, her drunken presentation of the movie The Sign of the Cross (what a twisted choice!!!) was raw, campy, touching, demented, caustic, and heartbreaking.

Her line, "Whether this evening marks the start of a beloved tradition or just another bitter disappointment is entirely up to you", made me laugh, then shudder. And by speaking the lyric of 'You'll Never Walk Alone', she intensified the song's inherent message of hope and the power of the human spirit. Top drawer

In her guilt-laden drunkenness, Sr Jude exposed her vulnerability and self-loathing, while showing affection for the inmates for the first time.

I loved the drunken Sr Jude segment soooo much :rockon:



The ending was like a punch in the gut. Dr Arden may be a sick Mengele-clone of a Nazi, but he still has a thimble dick

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Sister Mary, by her own admission has had an awakening...

Which is one thing that is not done as well this season as last. Last season, the sechs was seductive, teasing in nature. Now its crude, spread the legs, muff in your face variety.
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Sister Mary, by her own admission has had an awakening...

Which is one thing that is not done as well this season as last. Last season, the sechs was seductive, teasing in nature. Now its crude, spread the legs, muff in your face variety.

Very true, but the sex is portrayed crudely this season as a catalyst to develop the plot. Everyone has sexual hangups and /or challenges, it seems, and they run the full spectrum. While I was shocked by the innocent Sr Mary's vulgarity, I was also amazed by the complete flip of her character, much like Dr Arden. Unfortunately, he channeled his disgust towards Shelley (she's in huge trouble now). I really like that Sr Mary is toying with the other characters, and that hers isn't a Linda Blair-type possession. She's just over the line from human deviousness. The damning newspaper delivered to Sr Jude, and her disappointment at having to miss the part of the movie where the Christians were to be killed was prankish and....devilish It's like she's trying her demonic persona on for size.
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Good stuff, BB.



I thought the episode was a little shaky, but as you said there was an awful lot going on. I personally liked the new satanic Mary Eunice and enjoyed her making creepy Doc Arden squirm. She really got under his skin by flashing her naughty parts. I would have liked to see the look on his face if a forked tail fell out when she hiked up her habit.

As an aside, how great would it have been if the Doc jumped her bones and afterwards said "That'll do, Pig.....that'll do." ;)

The movie scene was pretty great with Jude losing her shit in front of a group of people who lost their own shit quite a while ago and are so used to other people losing THEIR shit they don't even notice it much. Phuck it. She's nuts. Who cares? I'm on thorazine and smoke 4 packs a day.

I also enjoyed her leaving the Court Shrink with a withering glare and saying something like "I'm onto your game" with a calm menace that promises big trouble from a chick that can surely deliver it, but we did get to see quite a few cracks in her fortress walls in Ep. 3. She's (barely) human and can be had.
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