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Old 03-09-2018, 07:33 AM   #31
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A higher GDP doesn't stop artillery shells.
When a country is 50 times richer than it's neighbor, why are we paying for it;s defense?

For every cannon NK builds, SK can build 50. If they don't, that's their problem, not ours. We should announce our withdrawal from South Korea within 5 years and let them buy their own fvcking military.

I'm pretty fvcking tired of the world being welfare babies for American taxpayer money and American military defense. Fvck them all. I want my money back, I want my American soldiers to protect Americans. Simple as that.

Why are we still paying to protect the richest countries on the planet, while at the same time our own debt runs up past 100% of our GDP?
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Trump did not impose the sanctions approved by Congress 517-5. That is pretty relevant, and not rhetoric.

For some reason (cough withholden cough kompromat) he just won't (can't) act against Putin.

NK is not being brought to heel with this. It is another attempt at distracting from Trump's continuing and accelerating disaster of an administration. Another ruse.

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Well I guess if great unemployment numbers, companies bringing manufacturing back to the US, improving economy, tax cuts and corporate bonuses to people in the millions of dollars, busting 4000 MS13ers constitutes a disaster, I'm hoping things get worse. Just letting you know, everyone knows the Russia BS is dead. Well, almost everyone.
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Well I guess if great unemployment numbers, companies bringing manufacturing back to the US, improving economy, tax cuts and corporate bonuses to people in the millions of dollars, busting 4000 MS13ers constitutes a disaster, I'm hoping things get worse. Just letting you know, everyone knows the Russia BS is dead. Well, almost everyone.
Lulz. The 'Russia BS' is going to claim your charlatan in less than a year.
His whole admin team is bailing/ spilling their guts to Mueller.
As far as the economy- it's a combo of Thanks Obama and Deficit Spending.

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Also, way to ignore the (non)action against Russia meat of the argument I was responding to.

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Dude, no company is going to bring back manufacturing to the US if the cost of inputs here is increasing. All the Japanese car makers who employ hundreds of thousands of Americans are going to STOP manufacturing here.

This is why tariffs are the opposite of smart.

If Trump is responsible for the "great" employment numbers today, he's solely responsible for whatever happens tomorrow.
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Lulz. The 'Russia BS' is going to claim your charlatan in less than a year.
His whole admin team is bailing/ spilling their guts to Mueller.
As far as the economy- it's a combo of Thanks Obama and Deficit Spending.

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I think there's people in the government that colluded with Russia. I think however they won't be who you think they are, LOL. You have nothing but blind hope, and not even a shred, the tiniest shred, of actual evidence. But keep on praying. And of course, Obama gets the credit for the economy after his acolytes spent 8 years blaming Bush for the ills of his administration. Having their cake and eating it too is standard policy for the left.
Folks of your mindset would rather see America fail and fall apart than to see Trump succeed. That's truly sad but, it is what is.
My support of Trump isn't out of fanboy worship, it's more out of a sense of fairness and disgust at the vultures who want to destroy him at any cost, and will stoop to any level to do so. Fortunately he's doing quite well in spite of it.

But no matter what happens, whether your opinion or mine turns out to be fact, Hillary Clinton isn't President, and that's paramount.
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I think there's people in the government that colluded with Russia. I think however they won't be who you think they are, LOL. You have nothing but blind hope, and not even a shred, the tiniest shred, of actual evidence. But keep on praying. And of course, Obama gets the credit for the economy after his acolytes spent 8 years blaming Bush for the ills of his administration. Having their cake and eating it too is standard policy for the left.
Folks of your mindset would rather see America fail and fall apart than to see Trump succeed. That's truly sad but, it is what is.
My support of Trump isn't out of fanboy worship, it's more out of a sense of fairness and disgust at the vultures who want to destroy him at any cost, and will stoop to any level to do so. Fortunately he's doing quite well in spite of it.

But no matter what happens, whether your opinion or mine turns out to be fact, Hillary Clinton isn't President, and that's paramount.
The 'there is no shred of evidence' stance requires active self deception. There are admitted felons, and others indicted. And it's just ramping up.

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Red, blue, red. Bush, Obama, Trump.



Looks like private sector job growth under Obama was better than the crash under Bush, and that the 'great' numbers under Trump look a lot like what we had under Obama.

Therefore, thanks Obama.

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Poor Trump- circled by vultures trying to bring him down. Like the deputy AG Trump himself appointed opening a Special Council investigation, and the NSA Trump appointed cooperating for a plea deal, etc, etc...

So unfair!


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Well I guess if great unemployment numbers, companies bringing manufacturing back to the US, improving economy, tax cuts and corporate bonuses to people in the millions of dollars, busting 4000 MS13ers constitutes a disaster, I'm hoping things get worse. Just letting you know, everyone knows the Russia BS is dead. Well, almost everyone.
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Poor Trump- circled by vultures trying to bring him down. Like the deputy AG Trump himself appointed opening a Special Council investigation, and the NSA Trump appointed cooperating for a plea deal, etc, etc...

So unfair!


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Red, blue, red. Bush, Obama, Trump.



Looks like private sector job growth under Obama was better than the crash under Bush, and that the 'great' numbers under Trump look a lot like what we had under Obama.

Therefore, thanks Obama.

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You're donating your tax savings back to the government, right?

Also using Maddow's numbers is stupid. Those tired old figures, and tired old argument don't incorporate the unemployed that gave up searching for work. Was debunked thoroughly. Swing and a miss.

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Red, blue, red. Bush, Obama, Trump.



Looks like private sector job growth under Obama was better than the crash under Bush, and that the 'great' numbers under Trump look a lot like what we had under Obama.

Therefore, thanks Obama.

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Trump did not impose the sanctions approved by Congress 517-5. That is pretty relevant, and not rhetoric.

For some reason (cough withholden cough kompromat) he just won't (can't) act against Putin.

NK is not being brought to heel with this. It is another attempt at distracting from Trump's continuing and accelerating disaster of an administration. Another ruse.

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As I said in my response to PFL, he's done quite a abit "against" Putin.

Again this is from ABC news.

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But despite Trump's rhetorical embrace of the autocratic leader and his regime, his administration has taken some big steps to push back on Russia, including some steps that Obama avoided.

In December, his administration decided to arm Ukraine with lethal weapons, and his State Department has consistently criticized Russia for leading, arming, and supporting separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine. While the Obama administration increased aid to Ukraine, and rallied European partners to slap Russia with international sanctions, it never crossed the line into providing lethal support.

The Trump administration has kept those sanctions in place - and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has said they will remain so until Russia withdraws from eastern Ukraine, abides by the peace deals it pledged to support - known as the Minsk agreements - and returns Crimea to Ukraine, four years after it began its illegal annexation of the territory.

In fact, in June, the Trump Treasury Department actually expanded those sanctions to include 38 new individuals and companies, including two Russian officials, for their alleged involvement in the ongoing violence in Ukraine and the occupation of Crimea.
So he's taken significant actions "against" Putin in Ukraine.

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But his administration took a bold step, expelling a number of Russian diplomats, and more important, shutting down two Russian facilities in New York and Washington and the Russian consulate in San Francisco - reportedly a major spy hub for the country.
So he's shut down two Russian consulates/facilities that are considered "major spy hubs". That would be a signiificant action "against" Putin.

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The other foreign policy pursuits that his administration has used to push back on Russia are the airstrikes on Russia's client Bashar al-Assad in Syria for the use of chemical weapons;
Again, action against Putin.


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the expansion of domestic energy production and the sale of U.S. liquefied natural gas to counter Russia's energy strong-arming of European neighbors;
Not only does this strike Putin in the pocketbook, it reduces his leverage against other nations.

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and more sanctions on Russian officials for corruption and human rights abuses under the Magnitsky Act.
So he has increased sanctions.

Do you deny these actions took place?

Are you simply ignorant of their existence, or do you claim they do not constitute an "act against Putin"?

If the latter, pray tell why do these fail to meet that criteria and enacting Congressional sanctions do?

If the former, how is that possible?
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How many of those had anything to do with "Collusion'?

The two guilty pleas are for lying to the FBI. Manafort, et al's indictment predated the election by three odd years and had nothing to do with "collusion".

Seems to me that if one thinks those are "evidence" of "collusion" one might be careful about tossing about accusations of "self deception".
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