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Old 02-05-2016, 03:51 PM   #46
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O.k., then prepare to indict Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice and I suspect a lot of other former cabinet officials......

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/us...well.html?_r=0
Interesting. I wonder if they'll get Colin and Rice for having their own server in the bathroom closet?

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Old 02-05-2016, 04:24 PM   #47
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Just curious but how would sending those e-mails to aides of Condaleezza Rice make her responsible for them since they were not sent to her?
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Just curious but how would sending those e-mails to aides of Condaleezza Rice make her responsible for them since they were not sent to her?
I was overstepping and being partisan, though apparently Powell did send work related emails through his personal nongovernment account, some of which have been later categorized as Classified.
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Anyone receiving classified informationon a non-secure network is liable as well, and, aside from partisanship, I think this is one of the issues holding the cork on the bottle.

IF Hillary goes down, and that's a big "if", she certainly won't go down alone, but everyone she dealt with that cannot show that they reported it will be equally liable.

For my money, I say "the more the merrier". You can't very well have your own state department being the weakest security in the country. That is borderline treason, in my view.

Hey, of they can put good soldiers away for 20 years taking a selfie on a submarine, and catching a shot of the instrument panel in the background, I think Hillary and company should get about 200 years at a minimum, if we want to proportionally punish for security breeches.

In the meantime, we can safely assume that the Russians, Chinese, and a variety of other agencies and hackers have all the emails Hillary sent and received while in office. The FBI thinks so, especially since Hillary's own email showed that she was aware she had been hacked and never reported it. She's her own walking, talking Wikileaks.
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Anyone receiving classified informationon a non-secure network is liable as well, and, aside from partisanship, I think this is one of the issues holding the cork on the bottle.

IF Hillary goes down, and that's a big "if", she certainly won't go down alone, but everyone she dealt with that cannot show that they reported it will be equally liable.

For my money, I say "the more the merrier". You can't very well have your own state department being the weakest security in the country. That is borderline treason, in my view.

Hey, of they can put good soldiers away for 20 years taking a selfie on a submarine, and catching a shot of the instrument panel in the background, I think Hillary and company should get about 200 years at a minimum, if we want to proportionally punish for security breeches.

In the meantime, we can safely assume that the Russians, Chinese, and a variety of other agencies and hackers have all the emails Hillary sent and received while in office. The FBI thinks so, especially since Hillary's own email showed that she was aware she had been hacked and never reported it. She's her own walking, talking Wikileaks.

If the justice department decides not to indict, is there any other recourse the can take to go after her? Gen Petreus lost a star and got probation for 2 years for his indiscretions, which IMO are not even close to the Hildabeasts. She sure is confident that she will get off Scott free and it angers me to no end.
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If the justice department decides not to indict, is there any other recourse the can take to go after her? Gen Petreus lost a star and got probation for 2 years for his indiscretions, which IMO are not even close to the Hildabeasts. She sure is confident that she will get off Scott free and it angers me to no end.
The only people with authority to prosecute big time politicians, is other big time politicians.

You can break the law all you want, so long as you know the politicians in the justice system are on your side.

That goes for both parties, by the way. And both parties are generally reluctant to hit the other too hard with the law, because they know what goes around, comes around, and in the grand scheme of things, they have the same agenda, and are in the same club. That's why they campaign very differently, but they govern very much the same way, it matters less how they govern, and more who gets to govern.

It's really one party, with two factions. That's all. Same constituency, same agenda.
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Same constituency, same agenda.
And same abandonment of all moral and ethical values.

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Issa: FBI "Has No Choice"; Must Indict Clinton

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Most recently, Darrell Issa appeared on FOX News' The Intelligence Report and said that given the evidence, FBI Director James Comey "really has no choice but to refer this for indictment" against Clinton. As he told FOX's Trish Regan:

We have communications back and forth to the President from Hillary Clinton's private email, we have 1,300 sensitive documents 22 classified at the highest level this is well past anyone claiming that they didn't know.

The "1,300 sensitive documents" Issa was referring to are the 1,340 classified e-mails that were released (many of them redacted to protect government secrets) in late January. That figure was based on only 83 percent of the total of Clinton's e-mails and does not include the most recent release from which the " 22 classified at the highest level" were withheld.

His point that "this is well past anyone claiming that they didn't know" is at the heart of the matter. As this writer said when it was revealed that at least 1,340 of Clinton's e-mails contained information classified at the highest levels:
It is now known that at least 1,340 e-mails sent or received by Clinton contained information that was classified and several dozen of those e-mails contained intelligence that was classified at the highest levels. That means based on an extrapolation of the number of e-mails released so far that of the 1,470 days that she served as secretary of state, Clinton sent or received classified information over her unsecured network an average of more than once a day.

While much of the focus has been on the fact that Clinton passed classified information over an unsecured server, Issa pointed out that, as bad as that is, there is more to it:

These are documents that are not only highly classified, but she took them from government. Let's not forget when she left government, she didn't leave a copy. She took it all. So, it's taking and holding classified documents.

As an indictment appears to be on the near horizon, the investigation involving more than 150 FBI agents has grown to include the improper relationship between the Clinton Foundation and Clinton's State Department. The New American wrote about some of the elements of that improper relationship (now there's a phrase the Clintons should be familiar with) in a previous article. This writer addressed the fact that Huma Abedin, during her time at the State Department, had a "special government employee" arrangement that allowed her to work other jobs. And that:
At one point she [Abedin] held four jobs simultaneously. All of those jobs were connected, in one way or another, to Hillary Clinton. She was part time aide to Hillary Clinton at the State Department, personal assistant to Hillary Clinton, salaried employee of the Clinton Foundation, and private consultant for Teneo Holdings, which was founded by three partners all with close ties to the Clintons.

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... some of which have been later categorized as Classified.
Does that mean they weren't classified when he sent them? And if that is still a violation of something, isn't it a misdemeanor next to Hil's multiple felonies?

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In the meantime, we can safely assume that the Russians, Chinese, and a variety of other agencies and hackers have all the emails Hillary sent and received while in office. The FBI thinks so, especially since Hillary's own email showed that she was aware she had been hacked and never reported it. She's her own walking, talking Wikileaks.
This wasn't a joke, or hyperbole, by the way.

This is the FBI's assessment of the damage.
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She's a democrat with a vagina. That's all that matters to the ones I know.

"I want to vote for the first woman president."

Nowadays, sexual organs are as legitimate a reason as any other.

I figure by 2024, we'll be electing the first transgendered president.....issues are irrelevant, they just have to be democrat.
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Does that mean they weren't classified when he sent them? And if that is still a violation of something, isn't it a misdemeanor next to Hil's multiple felonies?

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It's been Hillary's contention that the emails she sent through her private server were not classified when she sent them. That's why I worded it the way I did with Powell. The latest top secret batch may have blown that out of the water, but I'm not clear if that's been definitively shown yet.

I'm sure you guys will let me know, but apparently Powell used a private email account regularly for State Dept. emails also.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...unt-while-sec/
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Hilary seems to think that she is not under investigation and continues to laugh it off like it's not a serious matter but the FBI says otherwise. All this talk about others doing it so childish, just because someone else did it doesn't make it right and clearly, what she did was clearly against the law.
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I'd forgotten about this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_W...il_controversy

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The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act.[1] Over 5 million emails may have been lost.[2][3] Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove emails, leading to damaging allegations.[4] In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been lost.[5]

I don't approve of Hillary's handling of the emails. As a Democrat, I wish there were more options than her and Bernie. But, I think that this scandal is overhyped, at least in terms of there being no precedent of other government officials being prosecuted for using private servers. Other Secretaries of State used private email accounts.

Gen. Petraeus was brought up as an example. From what I know of that, it seems that he was treated too harshly. But, there is a precedent for people being prosecuted and convicted for providing reporters with classified documents. I don't think there is any precedent (yet) for a government employee being punished for sending work emails through a private account/server.

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