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Old 04-11-2017, 08:38 AM   #61
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Russian airstrike kills 22 jihadi commanders in Syria’s Idlib

DAMASCUS, SYRIA (3: 55 P.M.) – Up to 22 leaders from the al-Qaeda affiliate Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham have been killed as a Russian fighter jet targeted a building in Jisr al-Shughour in the western countryside of Idlib.

According to reports, a high-level meeting was being held in the targeted building when the Russian airstrike occurred.

The same reports added that the Russian military in Syria was capable of gathering precise intelligence information of the meeting which included dozens of the jihadi group’s commanders.

Russian, as well as Syrian, fighter jets continue to pummel the jihadi groups positions across Idlib after the alleged chemical attack in Khan Sheikhoun last week.



https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...-syrias-idlib/

John McCain is going to lose his mind...he just lost a bunch of friends.

Here is a pretty good breakdown of the US strike...

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Putin is claiming the US is planing on using chemical weapons in Syria, and that the plan is to put the blame on Assad.
I don't think Trumps plan on keeping a good relationship with Russia is going to last very long
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Putin is claiming the US is planing on using chemical weapons in Syria, and that the plan is to put the blame on Assad.
I don't think Trumps plan on keeping a good relationship with Russia is going to last very long
It's all a Russian trick. Remember?

Trump works for Putin. All 17 Intelligence agencies said so.
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There are members in the senate that believe the attack on the Syrian air base was a ruse to make it look like Trump and Putin are really not the best of buddies.

And these people are elected to make laws and run this country. lol
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It's all a Russian trick. Remember?

Trump works for Putin. All 17 Intelligence agencies said so.
Im not ruling out the possibilty Trump has gotten royally screwed over by Putin. Played like a piece in the puzzle by a man that has been playing this game for a long long time.
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That's because that's the only answer you have for anything for the last 6 months.

If I asked you "Why would Russia make sense?", you would have no idea.
http://nypost.com/2017/04/09/us-to-a...attack-report/

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So, shortly before Tillerson is to arrive in Moscow, a "grass fire" occurs near the airport.

I've seen grass fires. I don't know what kind of grass the Russians are growing that burns with black smoke. I call Bullsh*t.

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Yes.

And yes, Obama should have been impeached over Libya, despite the fact that he had nothing to do with it and didn't want to do it.

The Bay of Pigs was the last time the president had any control over military actions.
What?

So who controls things now?


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In my view, every military engagement conducted by any president, anywhere in the world outside of the US, is grounds for impeachment. My view is the Constitutional view.
So if your view is the Constitutional view, riddle me this.

How come not a single President has been impeached over the huge list of military actions that took place without a declaration of war?

How come all the Founding Fathers who became President fought military actions without a declaration of war?

Washington: Whiskey rebellion
Adams: Quasi War with the French, Fries rebellion
Jefferson: First Barbary War and various military operations against pirates.
Madison: Second Barbary war, start of First Seminole war, and various military actions to seize territory
Monroe: Completion of First Seminole war, and various military actions to seize territory.

Do you think these guys might have had an idea of just what the "Constitutional view" was?
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What?

So who controls things now?
You know. "Them."
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What?

So who controls things now?




So if your view is the Constitutional view, riddle me this.

How come not a single President has been impeached over the huge list of military actions that took place without a declaration of war?

How come all the Founding Fathers who became President fought military actions without a declaration of war?

Washington: Whiskey rebellion
Adams: Quasi War with the French, Fries rebellion
Jefferson: First Barbary War and various military operations against pirates.
Madison: Second Barbary war, start of First Seminole war, and various military actions to seize territory
Monroe: Completion of First Seminole war, and various military actions to seize territory.

Do you think these guys might have had an idea of just what the "Constitutional view" was?
Because politicians disregard the Constitution, and the SCOTUS has disregarded the Constitution on this issue ever since the Switch in Time that Saved Nine.


The President is CinC of the Armed forces, but his authority resides within US territory. To conduct military operations outside of the United States authority can only be granted by congress.

That's the law.

Whether that law is enforced or not is irrelevant.
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Baron, you might want to read this.

http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/trump-w...ng-into-syria/
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Baron, you might want to read this.

http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/trump-w...ng-into-syria/
I'm not sure what that means. We're already in Syria, up north with the YPG, and on the south side out of Jordan.

But, it is encouraging.

Incidentally, if anyone is genuinely interested in a near real time map of the Syrian civil war...this is a pretty good link.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/

Russians are bombing the Hell out of al-Nusrah with incendiary (napalm?) and cluster bombs today.
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Interesting analysis of the White House report..

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_V...FVWDExMnc/view
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What's interesting about this is that we're not mad he's killing his own citizens. It's that he used gas to do so.

Theoritically had he just shot them or dropped regular bombs on them we wouldn't even notice.

Apparently death is only noteworthy if it doesn't also include property damage.
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What's interesting about this is that we're not mad he's killing his own citizens. It's that he used gas to do so.

Theoritically had he just shot them or dropped regular bombs on them we wouldn't even notice.

Apparently death is only noteworthy if it doesn't also include property damage.
Well it's not just the US.

Post WWI, the whole world has viewed chemical weapons of being of a different nature than other ways of killing.

A similar attitude applies to nuclear weapons post WWII.

You are correct, that if someone is dead, someone is dead, and it seems strange that it should matter just what killed them.

I suspect that it is, in part, related to the the same psychological aspects that influence risk perception.

For example, plenty of people are afraid to fly and prefer to drive a car.

In any statistical sense, air travel is safer than car travel, yet this perception remains.

Why?

Two things.

The first is the perception of control. If a person thinks they have more control over a situation, they perceive the risk as less, or are willing to overlook the larger risk thinking they can influence it and avoid the problem.

The less control they have, the lower the risk threshold they are willing to accept.

So, you're driving the car, you think you're in control. On a plane you have zero control

The second is the large number impact.

An event that is very rare, but affects a large number of people, will be viewed as a larger risk than an event that is very common, but affects a small number of people, even if when you add it all up, that more common event affects more people.

When a plane crashes, hundreds of people are killed or injured. When a car crashes, only single digit number of people are affected. Yet 30 odd thousand people are killed in cars each year on US highways, how many die in plane crashes?

How does this relate to chemical weapons?

Well in a chemical attack, it typically kills more people than one guy with a gun or one bomb from a plane, or it certainly has the potential to.

Regarding control, if someone is shooting a gun at you, or dropping a bomb, you have more options to take cover, avoid the shot/blast, etc. It's hard to stop breathing or prevent any of your skin from being exposed.

The same analysis applies to nuclear weapons. They kill a boatload more and there is little one can do to avoid the blast.

Now to be clear, I'm not suggesting that such an attitude is perfectly logical.

Simply that it is how many people think.
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