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Old 05-15-2017, 06:47 AM   #1
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The EMP threat

I believe this is the primary existential threat to the United States, especially now since Trump has taken office and "poked the bear" so to speak.

I will be using this thread to post articles and information, since I am noticing that EMP weapons appear to be getting a bit more attention than in the past, and yet still not even remotely what they should be getting.

EMP Commission Chairman confirms that a nuclear EMP attack could kill 90% of the U.S. population

http://www.cyberwar.news/2017-04-12-...opulation.html

Russia claims it can wipe out entire US Navy with a single ‘electronic bomb’ in bizarre propaganda report

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/336012...ectronic-bomb/

Russia doesn't concern me that much, because I think Putin is sane.

North Korea, on the other hand...is known to have been directing it;s nuclear program primarily into super EMP weapons development over the last decade, with help from former soviet scientists. This is made additionally credible by 3 facts;

1. EMP weapons are relatively easy and inexpensive to develop, because, in very short form, a smaller, basic nuclear blast generates a larger EMP blast, while more powerful devices actually suppress gamma ray bursts becasue they use them to create bigger booms.
So, rudimentary nuclear weapons make the best EMP weapons.

2. The North Korean space program has apprently been focused on launching satellites in a very odd orbit for satellites, but one that would be the preferred orbit and altitude of an EMP weapon.

3. The nuclear tests that North Korea has been conducting, while being reported as failures or almost failures because of the low blast signature, indicating they are unable to produce stronger nuclear bombs as yet, would be exactly what one would expect to see if the program was an EMP program, rather than a traditional nuclear program.

Benevolent Leader Kim Jong Un, while highly entertaining and is the Baron's favorite dictator, is possibly too young, too rash, too spoiled, and too irrational to understand the consequences of using an EMP weapon, when he knows that it would only require 2 devices to effectively wipe out the US.

World War 3 will be an information war, a cyber war, until and unless it escalates to an EMP war. Ironically, the more technologically sophisticated a nation is, the more vulnerable it will be to cyber war and EMP weapons, and the US is far and away the most vulnerable and will suffer the most casualties if it occurs.
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OK, so where exactly did this 90% number come from?

A book that hadn't yet been published in 2008.

If you go to the article from The Hill that is mentioned in your link, you'll find this PDF of the a congressional hearing.

Here is where the 90% is mentioned.

Mr. Bartlett is a congressman and Dr. Graham is the head of the EMP commission.

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I read a prepublication copy of a book called One Second After. I hope it does get published; I think the American people need to read it. It was the story of a ballistic missile EMP attack on our country. The weapon was launched from a ship off our shore, and then the ship was sunk so that there were no fingerprints. The weapon was launched about 300 miles high over Nebraska, and it shut down our infrastructure countrywide.

The story runs for a year. It is set in the hills of North Carolina. At the end of the year, 90 percent of our population is dead; there are 25,000 people only still alive in New York City. The communities in the hills of North Carolina are more lucky: only 80 percent of their population is dead at the end of a year.

I understand that this is a realistic assessment of what a really robust EMP laydown could do to our country?

Dr. GRAHAM. We think that is in the correct range. We don’t have experience with losing the infrastructure in a country with 300 million people, most of whom don’t live in a way that provides for their own food and other needs. We can go back to an era when people did live like that. That would be—10 percent would be 30 million people, and that is probably the range where we could survive as a basically rural economy.
OK, so you think that sounds like Graham is stating that 90% will die from an EMP attack?

Go earlier in the PDF and look at his prepared statement.

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A high-altitude electromagnetic pulse results from the detonation of a nuclear warhead at altitudes above about 25 miles over the country or over our forces. The immediate effect of EMP would be the disruption of and damage to the electronic systems and electrical infrastructure. This, in turn, can seriously impact important aspects of our whole national life, including telecommunications, the financial system, government services, the means of getting food, water, medical care, trade and production, as well as electrical power itself.

The commission has offered a series of recommendations intended to reduce the risk and consequences of an EMP attack. These include pursuing intelligence, interdiction, and deterrence, to discourage an EMP attack; protecting critical components of the infrastructure, especially those requiring long periods of time to replace. In particular, the U.S. military needs to determine what elements of the national infrastructure are critical to its continued operations and how to either protect or circumvent failures of that infrastructure.

Next would be maintaining the capability to monitor and evaluate the condition of the critical infrastructures; then, recognizing how an EMP attack differs from other forms of infrastructure disruption and damage, since its effects would not occur under normal operation of our generally reliable infrastructure systems.



Planning to carry out a systematic recovery of critical infrastructures would be very important; and that is a planning function. That is not a hugely expensive undertaking, but it is one that requires thought and effort and time; then, training, evaluating, redteaming, and periodically reporting to you and other Members of Congress of the status of the country in being able to respond to an EMP attack.

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EMP attack on the critical infrastructures is a serious problem, but one that can be managed at reasonable cost. A serious national commitment to address the threat of an EMP attack can lead to an integrated national posture that would significantly reduce the payoff for such an attack and allow the United States to recover from EMP and from other threats, man-made and natural, to the critical national infrastructures.

A failure to do so will not only leave the critical national infrastructures that are necessary for our society to function at risk, but will also place our ability to conduct military operations in severe jeopardy.
Nowhere does he mention an estimated body count. In fact he refers to it as a "serious problem" that can be "managed"

Who would describe the death of 90% of the population as simply a serious problem that can be managed?

You can go to the EMP commission web page and read their reports.

They don't provide a casualty estimate either.
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The 10% that survive.
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Question for the physicist, I understand an emp fries an active electrical circuit by overloading it, but would it have any effect on a inactive circuit?
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The 90% figure comes from the 70-90% estimated casualties over 18 months, from Dr. Peter Pry.

Without electrical power or electronics, large populations are unsustainable without food, water, and medical supplies and services.

Only energy allows 98% of the population to live off of 2% farmers.

Only energy allows urban areas to survive by importing food, water, and medicine.
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Experts Warn Congress: North Korean EMP Would Kill '90% of Americans' — Consider Nuke First Strike

Two electromagnetic pulse (EMP) experts warned Congress on Thursday that North Korea is capable of executing an EMP attack over the United States which would send the U.S. back to the stone age and would lead to the deaths of 90% of all Americans within one year.

Chairman Dr. William R. Graham and Chief of Staff Dr. Peter Vincent Pry of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack told the Committee on Homeland Security that the U.S. is now facing a “doomsday scenario” as U.S. intelligence under the Obama administration grossly underestimated the capabilities of North Korea.

Former NASA rocket scientist James Oberg visited North Korea’s Sohae space launch base, witnessed elaborate measures undertaken to conceal space launch payloads, and concludes in a 2017 article that the EMP threat from North Korea’s satellites should be taken seriously:

… there have been fears expressed that North Korea might use a satellite to carry a small nuclear warhead into orbit and then detonate it over the United States for an EMP strike. These concerns seem extreme and require an astronomical scale of irrationality on the part of the regime. The most frightening aspect, I’ve come to realize, is that exactly such a scale of insanity is now evident in the rest of their space program.

Graham and Pry referenced a writing from Ambassador Henry Cooper, former Director of the U.S. Strategic Defense Initiative and a preeminent expert on missile defenses and space weapons who has repeatedly warned U.S. officials about the threat presented by North Korea:

U.S. ballistic missile defense (BMD) interceptors are designed to intercept a few North Korean ICBMs that approach the United States over the North Polar region. But current U.S. BMD systems are not arranged to defend against even a single ICBM that approaches the United States from over the South Polar region, which is the direction toward which North Korea launches its satellites. … So, North Korea doesn’t need an ICBM to create this existential threat. It could use its demonstrated satellite launcher to carry a nuclear weapon over the South Polar region and detonate it … over the United States to create a high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP). … The result could be to shut down the U.S. electric power grid for an indefinite period, leading to the death within a year of up to 90 percent of all Americans—as the EMP Commission testified over eight years ago.

Graham and Pry stated the U.S. now faces a serious and potentially imminent threat of a nuclear EMP attack from North Korea and that immediate action is needed:



Just six months ago, most experts thought North Korea’s nuclear arsenal was primitive, some academics claiming it had as few as 6 A-Bombs. Now the intelligence community reportedly estimates North Korea has 60 nuclear weapons.

Just six months ago, most experts thought North Korea’s ICBMs were fake, or if real could not strike the U.S. mainland. Now the intelligence community reportedly estimates North Korea’s ICBMs can strike Denver and Chicago, and perhaps the entire United States.

Just six months ago, most experts thought North Korea was many years away from an H-bomb. Now it appears North Korea has H-Bombs comparable to sophisticated U.S. two-stage thermonuclear weapons.

Just six months ago, most experts claimed North Korean ICBMs could not miniaturize an ABomb or design a reentry vehicle for missile delivery. Now the intelligence community reportedly assesses North Korea has miniaturized nuclear weapons, and has developed reentry vehicles for missile delivery, including by ICBMs that can strike the U.S.


Congress received a variety of solutions for the mid-term and long-term in how they should approach the situation — however Graham and Pry did not mince words about what President Donald Trump needs to do, immediately:

We recommend that the President declare that EMP or cyber-attacks that blackout or threaten to blackout the national electric grid constitute the use of weapons of mass destruction that justify preemptive and retaliatory responses by the United States using all possible means, including nuclear weapons.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22236/...-ryan-saavedra

I think I am one of the few in this country that would survive an EMP strike. I don't know about what would follow, though...whatever nation decides to invade while we are defenseless. Someone will. Maybe we would be the next "regime change".
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We can debate whether the US would survive such a strike, but I'm fairly certain NK would not, if you catch my drift.
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