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Old 02-19-2017, 07:09 PM   #61
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I didn't watch it. And I wasn't trying to imply it wasn't his voice, or a real interview just that perhaps one of the options as to why the vastly conflicting messages is that the video could have been edited to sound bad. I find it hard to believe he'd write such a scathing article about people who protect and excuse child rapists then espouse, in seriousness, the exact opposite position on video unless one of the things I proposed is true.
But, the video is 1 minute 40 long, so it's kind of silly that you'd throw out an 18 paragraph article for me to read in response without watching it (though I appreciate your honesty).

He's not talking about little kid pedophilia, but he says pretty clearly that he thinks a 13 year old with a 26 or 28 year old is ok and even mentions how it was a priest who taught him his blowjob technique.

He was remarkably not that quick on his feet on the Maher show and seems to mainly be someone whose schtick is to say outrageous things for attention. He's a half Jew who talks about the conspiracy through which the Jews run the world, a homosexual who talks about how transgenders are psychologically ill perverts.

Probably, in a few years, he'll be a trivia question from 2016.
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Ok I watched it. It has not changed my mind in the slightest.
The priest bit is an eyebrow raiser, but I am not positive it wasn't an r-rated joke.
He never ever says on that video that he is in favor of a 13 year old and a 26 year old hooking up. He mentions the younger/older dynamic in general.Though I do not agree with him at all (if this isn't a pieced together thing) on his opinion that young boys are the aggressors in female teacher/male student "relationships". Though, again, since he does not mention any ages, he could be speaking of 16-18 yo boys in which case, I would agree that is likely more consensual. I don't think he'd write an article in a serious vein(again, unless he's trolling with it, but I don't believe he is) like the one I posted that specifically mentions the dynamic of a certain age (22 yo and young teens) only to contradict it so openly, and this video does not contradict that article.
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Ok I watched it. It has not changed my mind in the slightest.
He never ever says on that video that he is in favor of a 13 year old and a 26 year old hooking up.
https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/...47036644777985

I don't even care that much about this and his style seems to be to make some reasonable points, along with saying things that are outrageous and offensive, to get attention.

But, it's frustrating in discussions when people don't see basic facts. Maybe you had the sound turned off at the beginning of the recording, but he says specifically that he IS talking about relationships between people who are 13 & 25 or 28.

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Q: It sounds like Catholic priest molestation to me

M: And do you know what, I’m grateful for father Michael, I wouldn’t have given nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.
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I heard that,I thought he was referring to young boys and teachers only with that specific age range. My point is why would he write an article inveighing against an age range, then turn around and verbally approve it? I've not had exposure to everything he's said or written, nor do I agree with everything I've read or heard of his, but I can't imagine his espousing completely opposite points of view unless he was trolling or if the video was edited selectively.
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I don't even care that much about this and his style seems to be to make some reasonable points, along with saying things that are outrageous and offensive, to get attention.

But, it's frustrating in discussions when people don't see basic facts. Maybe you had the sound turned off at the beginning of the recording, but he says specifically that he IS talking about relationships between people who are 13 & 25 or 28.
I don't see what he is saying as incorrect or non-factual.

I also don't see his comments as necessarily an endorsement, though I could see it being interpreted as such.

All I read into it is him drawing a distinctoin between child rape and consensual sex. I mean, I don't see a 14 year old male screwing his teacher equally as bad as a 14 year old boy being forcefully raped by Jerry Sandusky.

My interpretation of his comments is along those lines, and I would agree, for the most part.
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I don't see what he is saying as incorrect or non-factual.

I also don't see his comments as necessarily an endorsement, though I could see it being interpreted as such.

All I read into it is him drawing a distinctoin between child rape and consensual sex. I mean, I don't see a 14 year old male screwing his teacher equally as bad as a 14 year old boy being forcefully raped by Jerry Sandusky.

My interpretation of his comments is along those lines, and I would agree, for the most part.
What if the 14 year old consents to sex with Jerry Sandusky thinks of it as a positive experience? Most of the kids that had sex with priests weren't forcibly raped.

Though, I'm sure you'd still be dedicated to making these points if Milo's statements had come from Hillary, right?

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"Most of the kids who had sex with priests weren't raped"? Where is that comment coming from, factually?
Most of those kids wanted to have sex with priests, like a fetish or something?
Rape is non consensual sex...period.
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What if the 14 year old consents to sex with Jerry Sandusky thinks of it as a positive experience? Most of the kids that had sex with priests weren't forcibly raped.

Though, I'm sure you'd still be dedicated to making these points if Milo's statements had come from Hillary, right?

http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/milo-y...t-cpac-quotes/

Anything sounds bad taken out of context.

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Milo: “This is a controversial point of view I accept. We get hung up on this kind of child abuse stuff to the point where we’re heavily policing even relationships between consenting adults, you know grad students and professors at universities.”

The men in the joint video interview then discuss Milo’s experience at age 14.

Another man says: “The whole consent thing for me. It’s not this black and white thing that people try to paint it. Are there some 13-year-olds out there capable of giving informed consent to have sex with an adult, probably…” The man says, “The reason these age of consent laws exist is because we have to set some kind of a barometer here, we’ve got to pick some kind of an age…”

Milo: “The law is probably about right, that’s probably roughly the right age. I think it’s probably about okay, but there are certainly people who are capable of giving consent at a younger age, I certainly consider myself to be one of them, people who are sexually active younger. I think it particularly happens in the gay world by the way. In many cases actually those relationships with older men…This is one reason I hate the left. This stupid one size fits all policing of culture. (People speak over each other). This sort of arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent, which totally destroys you know understanding that many of us have. The complexities and subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships. You know, people are messy and complex. In the homosexual world particularly. Some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, the sort of coming of age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable and sort of a rock where they can’t speak to their parents. Some of those relationships are the most -”

It sounds like Catholic priest molestation to me, another man says, interrupting Milo.

Milo: “And you know what, I’m grateful for Father Michael. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.”

Other people talk. Oh my God, I can’t handle it, one man says. The next thing in line is going to be pedophilia…says another man.
The age of consent in the UK is 16 where Milo is from. The age of consent varies throughout Europe starting at age 14 and ending at age 18. Here the age of consent is between 16 an 18.

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I heard that,I thought he was referring to young boys and teachers only with that specific age range. My point is why would he write an article inveighing against an age range, then turn around and verbally approve it? I've not had exposure to everything he's said or written, nor do I agree with everything I've read or heard of his, but I can't imagine his espousing completely opposite points of view unless he was trolling or if the video was edited selectively.
I think the answer to that is that he seems to be riding a wave of fame and is being taken too seriously, when he has some identity issues and may not have been philosophically consistent in all the things he's said. He courts outrage.
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"Most of the kids who had sex with priests weren't raped"? Where is that comment coming from, factually?
Most of those kids wanted to have sex with priests, like a fetish or something?
Rape is non consensual sex...period.

How can you take the word "forcibly" out of the sentence I wrote and repeat it with quote marks, like that word isn't the whole point of what I was saying?

Baron said that a 14 year old boy who consents to sex with a man is different than a 14 year old who was raped by Jerry Sandusky. I pointed out that most of the priests didn't "force" the kids with them into sex. So, if you're going to argue that grey area, then that comes into the discussion.

Actually, I find it fvcking hilarious to see you guys contorting to provide appropriate "context" for 14 on 28 year old relationships. If the exact same quote came from the lips of Jesse Jackson or Anthony Weiner or Bill Clinton you'd be in 100% outraged attack mode.
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@mark,
Had milo not written a quite contradictory article to the video comments that seemed to be culled from a public interview/appearance, I would certainly not be as puzzled as to his motives as I am. Notice, I've not eliminated "trolling" as one of his possible motives. The same would go for anyone else.
ALL rape is force, because there is no consent. The fact you added "force" is unneccesary to me, unless what you meant was "physical violence".
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Had milo not written a quite contradictory article to the video comments that seemed to be culled from a public interview/appearance, I would certainly not be as puzzled as to his motives as I am. Notice, I've not eliminated "trolling" as one of his possible motives. The same would go for anyone else.
ALL rape is force, because there is no consent. The fact you added "force" is unneccesary to me, unless what you meant was "physical violence".

I think you're being obtuse. We're talking about statutory rape. Whether it is consensual or physically forced is a huge difference. It is central to what Milo is talking about and the comment from Barron that I was responding to.
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I fight for 13, 14,15,16 year old's to be emancipated so they can receive BC and abortions are you saying they can't make an adult decision? Some can some can't psychologically I freely admit that but most can.

I'm not advocating rape at all. Pedophila is attraction to those of both sexes that haven't reached puberty. Puberty is happening younger and younger.

Are you willing to hold anyone above the age of 18 accountable for their actions? So a 26 year old takes advantage of an 18 year old is ok?

Now take a step back do you believe a 5 year old can determine their sexual identity? Are you willing to hold parents accountable for giving hormones to a 10 year old to stop puberty responsible for their actions?

Be very very careful what you wish for.


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