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Old 06-30-2020, 08:46 AM   #76
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If he struggles BB benches him for Stidham . His contract is Up to 7.5 mill. He needs a good year to get his next big contract. That much better then dealing with Brady big cap number People are just pissed he didn't retire a Patriot. Not to mention having to restructure contracts & more Roster moves .To even Afford to tag Thueny.
I just don't think he has the heart. I mean he will run around and be exciting until he gets hurt and pats fans will run out and buy his jersey and all the things we bashed when he wasnt here will all of the sudden become wonderful, but in the end, he is not the pats future and Stidham is, and this to me is a hit on what they think of stidham.
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It would be awful were anyone but TFB to succeed.
I didnt say he was the only one to succeed, but this idea that because he is no longer here, then it was all Bill is silly fan shit. Bill didnt let Brady become great. Brady worked his ass off, just like everyone else does. A coach can only do so much with lesser players. Bill cannot win a superbowl without talented players making plays. These things go hand in hand.

I find it funny that a month ago if someone said Bring Cam in, they would be laughed at because Stidham is the truth and he works out in the offseason and the team has major confidence in him and Cam is a heartless asshole who is done, and now all of the sudden, its Cam will be great here and we are back on top stories out there. People need to watch their step jumping on and off the bandwagon in the media, and a lot of fans heads are spinning trying
to keep up with how they are supposed to view a QB that was bashed on here on a regular basis.

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When Brady came here Bill was not the goat head coach. I'm sure Bill would be the first to tell you Brady helped make him that. Belichick said himself that Brady helped build this, So Bill let Brady become great? He let him drive the ball down the field in the first superbowl? LOL. You seem to only throw credit one way. I don't care what Bill does, players have to execute and for some reason Bill while letting everyone else walk Kept Brady for 20 years, so he must have thought he was responsible for some of the credit that you dont seem to think he should get.
Clearly he did. That's not an opinion, it's factual, it's what happened. Bill brought Tom to Foxboro when no other team wanted a sniff of him. He kept faith with him when DB was healthy again. That's all fact.

Without Bill Tom Brady would not have been an NFL player. That's just a fact mate.
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Clearly he did. That's not an opinion, it's factual, it's what happened. Bill brought Tom to Foxboro when no other team wanted a sniff of him. He kept faith with him when DB was healthy again. That's all fact.

Without Bill Tom Brady would not have been an NFL player. That's just a fact mate.
So you don't think Brady earned that, it was just Bill doing it? What was Bill doing before he had Brady? was he rattling off superbowls as a head coach? Why do you think Bill went to Brady instead of Bledsoe when he got healthy? Was it a hunch? Brady was given nothing, he was drafted mostly due to Dick Rehbein, and was tossed on the scout team, he worked his way to number 2 on the depth chart and only came in because Bledsoe got hurt and we started winning so Bill left him in, and he had one shot to sink or swim, if he sucked, he would have never played again. Brady bought into everything and earned his time to start and made it tough for Bill to bring Bledsoe back in. You have no idea what Brady would do or would have done. Obviously some players just get it and some do not. Stop acting like every player Bill coaches becomes the goat, because that doesnt happen nor has it. So no, its not facts for you to say Bill created brady, there is zero facts behind that, because if that were true, he would make all players Brady not just the QB. There have been tons of players come through here and do nothing. Where was Bills Magic? Why didnt he make them hall of famers?
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As promised, here is Evan Lazar's study of Cam Newton.
Find in here:
- Proof that Cam’s arm/arm strength is just fine
- Correctable mechanical issues that were exacerbated by injury in ‘19
- Cam ran an EP system in Carolina (as pointed out by TommyD240 earlier) that will carry over to the Pats. (the nomenclature is the same)
- How the Pats offense could benefit from Cam’s mobility

https://www.clnsmedia.com/lazar-ther...on-is-healthy/

"After reviewing Newton’s tape from the last two seasons, here are three more proclamations:
First, there’s nothing wrong with Newton’s surgically repaired throwing shoulder that has been an issue for the former NFL MVP since rotator cuff surgery in March of 2017 (last season’s foot injury, on the other hand, is another story).
Second, Newton’s style of play, especially in Panthers offensive coordinator Norv (and son Scott) Turner’s offense since 2018, isn’t that far off from the system we’ve seen in New England with Brady.
Third, if Cam Newton is healthy, there will be no quarterback competition in Foxboro this summer. In time, Jarrett Stidham could develop into a viable NFL starter. But Newton is a legitimate NFL superstar at full strength that still has plenty left in the tank. He’ll be the guy.

CAM STILL HAS A ROCKET ARM
To back up my first proclamation about Newton’s arm strength, let’s take a look at the 2019 season that many wrote off because Newton struggled due to injury.
The former Panthers star suffered a Lisfranc injury to his left foot in a preseason contest against the Patriots last August and tried to fight through it before shutting things down after two starts.
In those two starts, Newton only managed to complete 56.2 percent of his passes while averaging 6.4 yards per pass attempt with a lousy 21.1 QBR and 48.5 PFF grade (out of 100).
Although his foot was a major inhibitor to his success (more on that later), the narrative that Newton’s shoulder is shot to the point where he can’t zip throws down the field is false.

Much more on Cam in the article.
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So you don't think Brady earned that, it was just Bill doing it? What was Bill doing before he had Brady? was he rattling off superbowls as a head coach? Why do you think Bill went to Brady instead of Bledsoe when he got healthy? Was it a hunch? Brady was given nothing, he was drafted mostly due to Dick Rehbein, and was tossed on the scout team, he worked his way to number 2 on the depth chart and only came in because Bledsoe got hurt and we started winning so Bill left him in, and he had one shot to sink or swim, if he sucked, he would have never played again. Brady bought into everything and earned his time to start and made it tough for Bill to bring Bledsoe back in. You have no idea what Brady would do or would have done. Obviously some players just get it and some do not. Stop acting like every player Bill coaches becomes the goat, because that doesnt happen nor has it. So no, its not facts for you to say Bill created brady, there is zero facts behind that, because if that were true, he would make all players Brady not just the QB. There have been tons of players come through here and do nothing. Where was Bills Magic? Why didnt he make them hall of famers?
Jesus man, you're missing the damn point. TFB was a 6th round pick, nobody even gave him a second thought about being a starter until Bledsoe went down with an injury. BB put him in to finish the game and the rest, as they say, is history. So without BB, we don't know if TFB even plays a game in the NFL. That's just a fact.
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As promised, here is Evan Lazar's study of Cam Newton.
Find in here:
- Proof that Cam’s arm/arm strength is just fine
- Correctable mechanical issues that were exacerbated by injury in ‘19
- Cam ran an EP system in Carolina (as pointed out by TommyD240 earlier) that will carry over to the Pats. (the nomenclature is the same)
- How the Pats offense could benefit from Cam’s mobility

https://www.clnsmedia.com/lazar-ther...on-is-healthy/

"After reviewing Newton’s tape from the last two seasons, here are three more proclamations:
First, there’s nothing wrong with Newton’s surgically repaired throwing shoulder that has been an issue for the former NFL MVP since rotator cuff surgery in March of 2017 (last season’s foot injury, on the other hand, is another story).
Second, Newton’s style of play, especially in Panthers offensive coordinator Norv (and son Scott) Turner’s offense since 2018, isn’t that far off from the system we’ve seen in New England with Brady.
Third, if Cam Newton is healthy, there will be no quarterback competition in Foxboro this summer. In time, Jarrett Stidham could develop into a viable NFL starter. But Newton is a legitimate NFL superstar at full strength that still has plenty left in the tank. He’ll be the guy.

CAM STILL HAS A ROCKET ARM
To back up my first proclamation about Newton’s arm strength, let’s take a look at the 2019 season that many wrote off because Newton struggled due to injury.
The former Panthers star suffered a Lisfranc injury to his left foot in a preseason contest against the Patriots last August and tried to fight through it before shutting things down after two starts.
In those two starts, Newton only managed to complete 56.2 percent of his passes while averaging 6.4 yards per pass attempt with a lousy 21.1 QBR and 48.5 PFF grade (out of 100).
Although his foot was a major inhibitor to his success (more on that later), the narrative that Newton’s shoulder is shot to the point where he can’t zip throws down the field is false.

Much more on Cam in the article.
I’m excited.

We’ve already tinkered with personnel to get that Baltimore style run game ramped up. Cam is slower than Lamar, but a far more powerful runner.

And if the coverage just blankets the WRs and turns their backs to Cam he can safely rip off 10-15 easily.

Familiarity in the system is HUGE.
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As promised, here is Evan Lazar's study of Cam Newton.
Find in here:
- Proof that Cam’s arm/arm strength is just fine
- Correctable mechanical issues that were exacerbated by injury in ‘19
- Cam ran an EP system in Carolina (as pointed out by TommyD240 earlier) that will carry over to the Pats. (the nomenclature is the same)
- How the Pats offense could benefit from Cam’s mobility

https://www.clnsmedia.com/lazar-ther...on-is-healthy/

"After reviewing Newton’s tape from the last two seasons, here are three more proclamations:
First, there’s nothing wrong with Newton’s surgically repaired throwing shoulder that has been an issue for the former NFL MVP since rotator cuff surgery in March of 2017 (last season’s foot injury, on the other hand, is another story).
Second, Newton’s style of play, especially in Panthers offensive coordinator Norv (and son Scott) Turner’s offense since 2018, isn’t that far off from the system we’ve seen in New England with Brady.
Third, if Cam Newton is healthy, there will be no quarterback competition in Foxboro this summer. In time, Jarrett Stidham could develop into a viable NFL starter. But Newton is a legitimate NFL superstar at full strength that still has plenty left in the tank. He’ll be the guy.

CAM STILL HAS A ROCKET ARM
To back up my first proclamation about Newton’s arm strength, let’s take a look at the 2019 season that many wrote off because Newton struggled due to injury.
The former Panthers star suffered a Lisfranc injury to his left foot in a preseason contest against the Patriots last August and tried to fight through it before shutting things down after two starts.
In those two starts, Newton only managed to complete 56.2 percent of his passes while averaging 6.4 yards per pass attempt with a lousy 21.1 QBR and 48.5 PFF grade (out of 100).
Although his foot was a major inhibitor to his success (more on that later), the narrative that Newton’s shoulder is shot to the point where he can’t zip throws down the field is false.

Much more on Cam in the article.
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I’m excited.

We’ve already tinkered with personnel to get that Baltimore style run game ramped up. Cam is slower than Lamar, but a far more powerful runner.

And if the coverage just blankets the WRs and turns their backs to Cam he can safely rip off 10-15 easily.

Familiarity in the system is HUGE.

I'm excited, too. I was looking at a 7-8 win season with Stidham. Cam, if he stays healthy, makes me think we have 10 wins with a shot at 11 or even 12 with a little good luck. The newer receivers, Asiasi, Keene, Vitale and Harry, are made for Cam's short passing game. There won't be any tells by personnel for defenses to key on this year. There's far too much potential versatility to keep defenses honest. And with James White and Edelman along with the threat of Cam taking off, defenses will have to be honest. Cam's going to love playing with White just as he did with McCaffrey.

After reading this I'm more convinced than ever that Harry needs to line up inside the numbers or at least no more than a couple of feet outside of the numbers. Let Sanu play outside spelled by Byrd once in a while. Lined up inside, Harry can flourish as a blocker or as a receiver to unleash his yac ability.

This offensive personnel is built to deceive defenses and keep them guessing.

Another aspect to this is that it forces the rest of the AFC East, built to sack Brady, to reevaluate their personnel, especially with regards to who they have to spy on Cam. Uh oh.
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Watching our QB run and gain more than 2 yards will be exciting to watch, I just hope that if he is the starter, he doesn't get injured before the Bronco game.
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I'm excited, too. I was looking at a 7-8 win season with Stidham. Cam, if he stays healthy, makes me think we have 10 wins with a shot at 11 or even 12 with a little good luck. The newer receivers, Asiasi, Keene, Vitale and Harry, are made for Cam's short passing game. There won't be any tells by personnel for defenses to key on this year. There's far too much potential versatility to keep defenses honest. And with James White and Edelman along with the threat of Cam taking off, defenses will have to be honest. Cam's going to love playing with White just as he did with McCaffrey.

After reading this I'm more convinced than ever that Harry needs to line up inside the numbers or at least no more than a couple of feet outside of the numbers. Let Sanu play outside spelled by Byrd once in a while. Lined up inside, Harry can flourish as a blocker or as a receiver to unleash his yac ability.

This offensive personnel is built to deceive defenses and keep them guessing.

Another aspect to this is that it forces the rest of the AFC East, built to sack Brady, to reevaluate their personnel, especially with regards to who they have to spy on Cam. Uh oh.
I predicted 7-9. Not out of disrespect for Stidham. Just growing pains coupled with our hardest schedule in years.

This personnel group IS built on deception- deception of where the ball is going. But it’s also built on power. WRs, TEs, and FBs that can block on all levels. It’s my kind of football. I can’t wait.

10-6 now. Maybe 11-5. And just a fun team to root for on both sides of the ball. Last season became a little off-putting. I’m forever grateful. He’ll ALWAYS be my fav. But it’s not the end we expected.
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There's a lot to look forward to and if nothing else, Cam will bring a lot of excitement in the games. He's a phenomenal athlete, if you saw the YouTube clip he put up, he's clearly been working very hard and seems in serious condition.

He's a smart guy, Bill always said he would never take a stupid player which he learned from Jimmy Johnson. Fans should be excited to think what Josh McD and Cam can come up with. The offense will certainly keep defenses guessing with lots of RPOs and a whole bag of play actions etc
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So you don't think Brady earned that, it was just Bill doing it? What was Bill doing before he had Brady? was he rattling off superbowls as a head coach? Why do you think Bill went to Brady instead of Bledsoe when he got healthy? Was it a hunch? Brady was given nothing, he was drafted mostly due to Dick Rehbein, and was tossed on the scout team, he worked his way to number 2 on the depth chart and only came in because Bledsoe got hurt and we started winning so Bill left him in, and he had one shot to sink or swim, if he sucked, he would have never played again. Brady bought into everything and earned his time to start and made it tough for Bill to bring Bledsoe back in. You have no idea what Brady would do or would have done. Obviously some players just get it and some do not. Stop acting like every player Bill coaches becomes the goat, because that doesnt happen nor has it. So no, its not facts for you to say Bill created brady, there is zero facts behind that, because if that were true, he would make all players Brady not just the QB. There have been tons of players come through here and do nothing. Where was Bills Magic? Why didnt he make them hall of famers?
I won't use Stidham because it is his 2nd year in 2020, but I will direct you to none other than Brian Hoyer. Undrafted but beat out all other qbs to become TFBs' only backup. Didn't get a chance to start here and bounced around the league after that. By most here, an unspectacular qb who if you need as a starter, your team has troubles. This story is more the norm in the NFL. TFB is the GOAT, but let's not assume that he pushed his way onto the field. He played because Bledsoe got hurt, period. Any other assumption is just that. Do not confuse what I just wrote with how things went down after TFB became the starter. I even said that TFB should start that first SB because you dance with the one who brung ya. That does not mean TFB was destined to be the starter without the Bledsoe injury.
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I predicted 7-9. Not out of disrespect for Stidham.
In fairness to your prediction, at the time you were saying that Stidham would never start, that it had to be Hoyer. 7-9 is a reasonable prediction for Hoyer.

Now it might be that neither will start. I didn't like the Cam Newton signing at first, but I see too many advantages to it, and it's hard to find a real disadvantage other than he wears silly hats.

I'm fine with Newton now, but am still rooting for Stidham to show up big-time and outplay Newton and grab the starting job.
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Ex-teammates on Cam Newton to the Patriots

As part of an alumni poll by The Athletic in May, former Panthers were asked where they thought Cam Newton would end up. Mike Tolbert, a fun-loving fullback who played with Newton for five seasons in Carolina, didn’t hesitate:
“New England,” Tolbert said. “It’s always been said that Bill Belichick loves Cam Newton. I don’t know why or his reasoning, but he’s always liked him.”
With Newton-to-New England now a reality a month later, Tolbert on Monday expanded on his prediction and why he thinks the brash and colorful Newton will get along with the stodgy Belichick in what — on paper — appears to be an odd-couple pairing.
“I’ve been around during games when Bill Belichick has flat out said to Cam he loves his game, continue to do what he’s doing. I know some of the players on the Patriots personally, and they all rave about how Bill’s always praising Cam for his ability,” Tolbert said.
“I really only thought he had two legitimate landing spots. That was New England and Chicago. And I didn’t think Chicago was willing to admit that they were wrong for the (Mitch) Trubisky shit.”
With concerns about Newton’s health history, the Bears traded for Nick Foles in March to compete with Trubisky. Meanwhile, Newton remained unemployed for 96 days before agreeing to terms on a one-year deal with New England that could be worth $7.5 million if he hits his incentives.
According to The Athletic’s Jeff Howe, Newton had to come down on his asking price before the Patriots would add him to a quarterback mix that includes Jarrett Stidham, New England’s fourth-round pick last year from Auburn, and journeyman Brian Hoyer.
Even if Newton reaches all his incentives, he’ll still be among the lowest-paid quarterbacks in the league: According to Spotrac, there are 25 quarterbacks whose average annual compensation is more than $7.5 million — a list that includes Foles, the Colts’ Jacoby Brissett and Saints’ backup Taysom Hill.
But Tolbert and a couple of other Panthers who played with Newton in Charlotte believe the 2015 league MVP was right to bet on himself with a prove-it deal before hitting free agency in 2021. Newton’s former teammates also don’t envision any issues between him and Belichick, however different they might be.
“I think Cam being hungry and in a humble state right now, I don’t see why it wouldn’t work,” said Roman Harper, a Panthers safety in 2014 and ’15. “Also, I want to see how Bill’s going to react. I was talking to one of my friends who played for the Patriots and he said, ‘Well, Bill doesn’t really build confidence.’ But at the same time, is Bill going to change once they start having success? I think Bill cares more about winning than anything else.”
Ex-Panthers offensive lineman Geoff Schwartz echoed Harper’s comments.
“Do his personality and Belichick’s personality align exactly? No. But they both align in the fact that they both want to win,” Schwartz said. “This is a one-year deal for Cam. He knows that if he plays well, he’ll sign a huge deal after the season, with the Patriots or someone else. And Belichick wants to give a middle finger to Tom Brady. If they both understand they have the same goal, they’ll find a way to make it work for one year.”
Newton has always had his own style — from his flamboyant fashion choices to his Superman celebration and signature first-down signals. But Newton isn’t the first player with a big personality to land in New England, where Belichick’s ability to “navigate through different personalities and players” is often overlooked, according to Tolbert.
“You look at his history of the people he’s been around, whether it was Randy Moss, who’s supposed to be a character, to Ochocinco (Chad Johnson). I mean, shit, he coached Aaron Hernandez,” Tolbert said.
“But Cam’s never been a distraction. Cam’s never been in any trouble. Cam’s never been one to not come to work and work. He’s never been the one to cause any type of turmoil in an organization,” Tolbert continued. “So I don’t see any issue, especially with somebody that’s as hungry and driven and determined to prove everybody else wrong, but also prove himself right.”
With Newton coming off two surgeries on his throwing shoulder and last year’s Lisfranc procedure on his left foot, many have questioned how the 31-year-old Newton will hold up. But Tolbert believes the Patriots’ offensive system under Josh McDaniels should help keep him healthy.
“The offense that he’s been in has been more down the field attacking, which requires him to hold the ball longer. If you don’t have a dynamic offensive line, you end up with injuries. You end up having to scramble a lot,” Tolbert said.
“But with the Patriots’ style of offense, I don’t think it’s gonna change too much. You’re gonna get the angle routes out of Sony Michel. You’re gonna get (Julian) Edelman running those over routes. N’Keal Harry, you’re gonna get guys (running) the short, intermediate (routes). It’s gonna be quick. And he’s really good at getting the ball out of his hands quick.”
As Newton’s injuries mounted, the Panthers tried a similar approach. They drafted Christian McCaffrey in the first round in 2017 to give Newton an underneath weapon who could take some of the pressure off the quarterback.
Under offensive coordinators Mike Shula and Norv Turner, who replaced Shula in 2018, Newton tried to reinvent himself by being more receptive to taking short passes, which he called “layups,” rather than airing the ball out downfield when the reads and coverage didn’t support it.
It was a departure from the style that made Newton so successful early in his career, including during his MVP season of 2015. But it worked.
The Panthers went 11-5 and made the playoffs in 2017, and were 6-2 the following the season before Newton took a shot to his right shoulder by T.J. Watt in a Thursday night loss at Pittsburgh. Despite playing six more games (all losses) with a shoulder injury that would require offseason surgery, Newton finished 2018 with a career-best completion percentage of 67.9.
Schwartz had always been skeptical about Newton’s ability to throw from the pocket, but says his perception changed during the first half of 2018 when Newton was healthy. Schwartz expects the Patriots’ offense to look similar to what Turner ran two years ago.
“I think we’re gonna see a lot of what 2018 Cam was. We’re gonna see more of a pocket passer, which is what New England has preferred obviously for all these years,” Schwartz said. “I think in certain situations they’ll bring out the ability for Cam Newton to run the football. New England has done such a great job over the years in situational football.”
Schwartz, whose final year with the Panthers coincided with Newton’s 2011 rookie season, believes the Patriots will have a package of run plays for Newton, whose 58 career rushing touchdowns are the most by a quarterback in NFL history. Schwartz says keeping Newton involved in the run game will help with more than just strategy and matchups.
“I was of his opinion that you have to limit his running, and I do think there is some validity to that. But that kind of makes him the player he is,” said Schwartz, host of a twice-a-week football podcast. “And when he’s able to be himself — the personality and the confidence, the way he plays, that gets him actually playing better.
“When he’s running the football — like one big run in the first quarter kinda gets him playing better as an overall quarterback. So how much do you reel that back in if you’re New England? I think you let him be who he is.”
Harper believes the Patriots have to tailor their offense to take advantage of Newton’s skill set.
“I really think they’re gonna have to implement some more run-pass things, some things that Cam is comfortable with,” said Harper. “And we’re gonna see if Cam can actually complete passes 18, 20-some yards down the field, outside of Instagram. I think all of that is yet to be seen.”
But Harper thinks any criticism of Newton as a leader is unfounded, even though he had his own questions when coming from New Orleans in 2014.
“From the outside, I thought he was selfish. I thought he was all about himself and all those other things — the same things everybody else thinks about him, that don’t know him. But when I became his teammate, I thought he was completely different than all that,” Harper said. “I thought he was a great guy in the locker room. I thought he bought excellent presents for everybody on the team. I never got that everywhere else. And I thought he was actually about winning, and coming to work and trying to be the best player that he could. …
“I only have positive experiences with Cam. I thought he was great. That whole locker room and that offense went as he went. That’s a lot to ride on anybody’s shoulders, where it doesn’t matter how good anybody else plays around him, it’s all about him. That’s how this team was constructed here in Carolina. I don’t think that will be the exact way that they win in New England.”
When Harper arrived in Charlotte, he started lifting with the defensive backs and instituted a no-sleeves policy on Fridays. Newton would be in the weight room at the same time, working out on his own with an assistant strength coach.
“My rule was if you’re in the weight room on Fridays — which is not required but it’s my time when I’m in there dominating the weight room with the guys that I’m bringing in — it was no sleeves allowed. So (Newton) went in there and cut the sleeves off,” Harper said. “He was like, ‘Bro, I respect it. So if I’m in here you know the rule.’ So he was with it. And he continued to carry that on.”
Tolbert said it’s impossible not to be impressed with what Newton has done this offseason getting his body back in shape after December foot surgery.
“You look at a guy who had every excuse to walk away from the game or not work as hard, from foot surgery to shoulder surgery to ankle being messed up,” Tolbert said. “He made like $140 million (closer to $121 million) the past eight, nine years. That’s not counting endorsements and stuff off the field. He’s already super-rich. He’s already been to a Super Bowl. He’s already won league MVP. He’s been All-Pro, Pro Bowl. It ain’t much more he can do but prove you wrong.”
“He had every excuse to not work. And all you see is work — and work and work and work,” Tolbert added. “Everybody’s out here saying this and that about the upcoming season. Nobody even knows if we’re gonna have a season. And he’s still working like a dog.”
Harper said he’s looking forward to watching Newton play in the AFC East, a division Harper believes “is still there for the taking.”
And while it might be tough for some to see Newton in a Patriots’ uniform, Tolbert is fired up to see what Newton and Belichick can do.
“I’ve never been one of those Patriot haters. I’ve always respected Tom Brady and what he’s done, and Bill Belichick and what they’ve done,” Tolbert said. “I’m excited for (Newton). Somebody said, ‘Since you’re retired and your boy left to New England, are you a Patriots fan now?’ I said, ‘Man, I’m a football fan. And as a football fan, Cam and Bill together, that’s something I want to see.’”


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In fairness to your prediction, at the time you were saying that Stidham would never start, that it had to be Hoyer. 7-9 is a reasonable prediction for Hoyer.

Now it might be that neither will start. I didn't like the Cam Newton signing at first, but I see too many advantages to it, and it's hard to find a real disadvantage other than he wears silly hats.

I'm fine with Newton now, but am still rooting for Stidham to show up big-time and outplay Newton and grab the starting job.
I didn’t expect Stidham to start the season, no. But I did expect Bill to probably turn to him by 4-6 weeks in.

Stidham will prosper under Cam. It’ll be a more similar game those two will play vs Stidham and TFB.
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