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Old 09-23-2011, 07:42 AM   #181
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It matters NOT who the GOP sends to the general, Bobo is DEAD, the country has had enough of his shit. At this point a dead cat can beat him.
lol no. if perry gets the nomination I guarantee another 4 years of Obama
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:49 AM   #182
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Yeah, I'd say the opposite is true.

The only one from this bunch who could actually beat Obama in the general is Romney.
Right now, "generic Republican" has a slight lead on Obama.

Unfortunately for Republicans, they have to actually pick one of these guys, though.

And none of them are currently leading Obama in polling.

Romney does the best of any of them, though:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...andidates.html

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Old 09-23-2011, 10:00 AM   #183
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Yeah, I'd say the opposite is true.

The only one from this bunch who could actually beat Obama in the general is Romney.
Right now, "generic Republican" has a slight lead on Obama.

Unfortunately for Republicans, they have to actually pick one of these guys, though.

And none of them are currently leading Obama in polling.

Romney does the best of any of them, though:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...andidates.html
It's Paul per two other polls— one being the last CNN poll. I think Romney could be another but your poll doesn't even include Paul. Paul carries the Independents and many of them are libertarian or young. Romney won't do well with either. I get a kick out of how lefties keep saying Romney since he sounds like a Democrat half the time.

FYI I've been polled twice here in Florida and Paul offered as a choice in one but not the other.
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Old 09-23-2011, 10:02 AM   #184
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It's Paul per two other pollsó one being the last CNN poll. I think Romney could be another but Paul carries the Independents and many of them are libertarian or young. Romney won't do well with either. I get a kick out of how lefties keep saying Romney since he sounds like a Democrat half the time.
Yeah, on those polls, Paul does about the same as Romney. I'd give Paul about the same chance as Romney in the general, but less chance in the primary.
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Old 09-23-2011, 10:05 AM   #185
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Yeah, on those polls, Paul does about the same as Romney. I'd give Paul about the same chance as Romney in the general, but less chance in the primary.
I agree. I think his main hurdle is the GOP because a certain percentage just don't like his FP. He loses most of the Evangelicals although some have moved toward him.

The GOP will also pull every dirty trick to see that his message is marginalized. I read the Texas GOP is cancelling their straw poll there so Perry isn't embarrassed. Paul would win that. About a month ago I saw a poll showing Paul beats Perry among Texans. However, mainly, if they can prevent as much as his message getting out then the status quo wins. The GOP Establishment fear his message and per reports I get they are very concerned about his support out there. Certain insiders close to the Fed are watching this movement very closely. If they're worried there's gotta be a reason.
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The crowds at these debates seem to be delivering a moment each time.

C'mon, booing a soldier, because he's gay?
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The crowds at these debates seem to be delivering a moment each time.

C'mon, booing a soldier, because he's gay?
They were booing a policy not that he's gay.
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RON PAUL: YOU WANT HIM

Most money from Joes goes to Ron Paul

By Tyler Hemstreet on September 25, 2011

As someone who has served his country, Air Force veteran and 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has some very straightforward views on the United States' involvement in the Global War on Terror.

He believes hundreds of thousands of U.S. Servicemembers have been stretched thin all across the globe in more than 135 countries - often without a clear mission, any sense of what defines victory, or the knowledge of when they'll be permanently reunited with their families.

He believes acting as the world's policeman and nation-building weakens the U.S., puts our troops in harm's way, and sends precious resources to other nations in the midst of a historic economic crisis.

And the Texas congressman also believes the U.S. should end nation-building, which is draining troop morale, increasing debt and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.

Those views are striking a chord with military members across the nation.

"He's a straight shooter and he speaks from the heart," said Air Force Master Sgt. Bill Baker, a first sergeant stationed at McChord Field. "He's not about slandering other candidates. All he does is talk about the issues."

But Servicemembers aren't only saying they believe in Paul, they are also putting their money where their mouth is.

Earlier this year, it was confirmed that Paul has raised more than any other current presidential candidate in donations from members of the military. Of those donors who indicated their occupation and employer, Paul topped the other contenders, a distinction he also achieved during his 2008 presidential run, according to USA Today.

Paul's campaign told Politifact, the fact-checking project of the St. Petersburg Times, that he raised $34,480 from people in the military, compared with $19,849 for President Barack Obama and $13,848 for the other GOP presidential candidates.

"Our fighting men and women take an oath to protect America, defend our Constitution and defend our borders," said Jesse Benton, Paul's campaign manager. "They look at Ron Paul and see a leader who takes their oath seriously, and who will fight to ensure that we don't misrepresent that oath by sending them off to police the world, instead of defending our country."

Army Sgt. Ryan Treat, a 10-year veteran stationed at Fort Gordon, Ga., spoke of his support for Paul in a video shot for Ron Paul Flix, a website that calls itself "the most comprehensive online video archive on Ron Paul."

He especially likes Paul's views on anti interventionism.

"I don't like the extended wars we've been fighting in the Middle East," Treat said. "The Soldiers are dying for what I don't think is a noble cause."

There is no way to know for sure whether the campaign donors who list the Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy and National Guard as their employer back Paul because of his stance on the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars or for his libertarian views on the economy and fiscal policy. But the numbers don't lie when it comes to the support angle.

The Center for Responsive Politics says $11,350 of Paul's military donations came from people who work for the Army. In the 2008 campaign, the center found that individuals employed by the Army, Navy and Air Force were Paul's top three sources of campaign donations, USA Today reported.

While that number might have to do because of his stance on the issues, it could also be because Servicemembers like his role as a bit of an underdog.

"He's got a good grass-roots following," said Baker, who "liked" Ron Paul's campaign Facebook page. "He's not huge by any means. Will he win the election? No. But if you're able to contribute, you're going to do it for someone you believe in."


http://www.northwestmilitary.com/new...L-YOU-WANT-HIM

This is pretty big, especially combined with this..




This is a great campaign direction to take. If they are smart, they will really push this.
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Ron was on the Daily Show last night...hopefully he converted some more younger voters
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Ron was on the Daily Show last night...hopefully he converted some more younger voters
It's the older voters he needs to be courting.

Young people don't vote (in general)
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It's the older voters he needs to be courting.

Young people don't vote (in general)
I disagree on this a bit in Ron Paul's case. It appears the youth are a big part of his supporters but you're right he needs to get the older folk on board. And their should be enough with common sense left that should agree with most of his domestic policies at the least. His foreign policy should leave a lot to be desired by them though.
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I disagree on this a bit in Ron Paul's case. It appears the youth are a big part of his supporters but you're right he needs to get the older folk on board. And their should be enough with common sense left that should agree with most of his domestic policies at the least. His foreign policy should leave a lot to be desired by them though.
It's damn near impossible to get elected without the senior vote.

Which is why nothing will ever get done about social security and medicare.
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Old 09-27-2011, 10:35 PM   #193
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I would LOVE Ron Paul if his foreign policy wasn't naive.


Doesn't matter though, since based on the speech I just saw tonight, Chris Christie is going to announce that he's running at some point and will automatically win the GOP and then mop the floor with Obama.
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Doesn't matter though, since based on the speech I just saw tonight, Chris Christie is going to announce that he's running at some point and will automatically win the GOP and then mop the floor with Obama.
So what exactly has our foreign policy accomplished that makes Ron Paul's so naive?
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It's funny/disheartening/tragic/embarrassing to watch the other seven candidates not named Ron Paul talk about constitutional conservatism out of one side of their mouth and then argue from the perspective that the U.S. has the duty to be the world's police force out of the other side.
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