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Old 09-12-2008, 09:59 AM   #1
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Here are the headline and the first two paragraphs from an article posted online that apparently will be on the front page of Friday’s Washington Post:

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“Palin Links Iraq to 9/11, A View Discarded by Bush"
By Anne E. Kornblut
 Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 12, 2008; A01

FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska, Sept. 11 -- Gov. Sarah Palin linked the war in Iraq with the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, telling an Iraq-bound brigade of soldiers that included her son that they would "defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans."

The idea that Iraq shared responsibility with al-Qaeda for the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, once promoted by Bush administration officials, has since been rejected even by the president himself. On any other day, Palin's statement would almost certainly have drawn a sharp rebuke from Democrats, but both parties had declared a halt to partisan activities to mark Thursday's anniversary.”
Kornblut’s interpretation of what Palin said is either stupid or malicious. Palin is evidently saying that American soldiers are going to Iraq to defend innocent Iraqis from al Qaeda in Iraq, a group that is related to al Qaeda, which did plan and carry out the Sept. 11 attacks. It makes no sense for Kornblut to claim that Palin is arguing here that Saddam Hussein’s regime carried out 9/11—obviously Palin isn’t saying that our soldiers are now going over to Iraq to fight Saddam’s regime. Palin isn’t linking Saddam to 9/11. She’s linking al Qaeda in Iraq to al Qaeda.

People can debate how intimate that connection is, and how much of the fight in Iraq is now against al Qaeda in Iraq--but it’s simply the case that Palin is not saying what Kornblut says she is, and that the Washington Post is, right now, leading its paper with a clear distortion of what Palin said.

Posted by William Kristol on September 12, 2008 12:02 AM | Permalink

The media is getting desperate.
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The media distorting things?


What is this world coming to.


Actually, before this election I think many people were blind to the media "making" the news and not simply "reporting" the news. If this election has done anything good it has opened the eyes to a lot of people on just how bias, and sometimes "dirty" the media can be. And that's not a knock on just one side. I am talking across the board.
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Question.

Do the media intentionally distort things or are reporters just too damn lazy to understand the subject at hand before they write about it?

I ask because after several years of dealing with local reporters, my vote goes to option B.
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Old 09-12-2008, 11:43 AM   #4
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Question.

Do the media intentionally distort things or are reporters just too damn lazy to understand the subject at hand before they write about it?

I ask because after several years of dealing with local reporters, my vote goes to option B.
I think that it is intentional, and that major newspapers like the Washington Post and New York Times think that they won't be called to the carpet on it. NYT is anything but a reputable newpaper, but if you question their methods, they'll just stick their nose up at you and say that you don't know what you're talking about.

The majority of major media outlets are trying to get Barack Obama elected. I actually think that their tactics end up back firing on them, because people see through their bullshit, and end up siding with the other candidate just to stick it to the media. Whether that's right or wrong is debatable.
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Well in all fairness, Palin's remark is sufficiently vague that one can interpret it multiple ways.

Just who are the "thousands of Americans" she is referring to and who are the "people who rejoiced"?

After all, thousands of Americans have died in Iraq and it isn't a stretch to suggest that the ones attacking them rejoiced at their success. Those same people have also attacked innocent Iraqi citizens.

Is that what she meant?

Kristol's suggestion regarding al Qaeda in Iraq is another possible interpretation.

Kornblut's interpretation is possible as well.

Some of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq still does consist of former Baathist party members who were part of Saddam's regime.

There was celebration among the baathists over 9-11.

Is that who she was referring to?

Only Palin and her speechwriters know for sure which of these she was actually referring to.

Any one else who says that she 'clearly meant" any of those interpretations is making an unfounded statement.

BTW, it is very common for politicians to be intentionally vague like this.
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The media distorting things?


What is this world coming to.


Actually, before this election I think many people were blind to the media "making" the news and not simply "reporting" the news. If this election has done anything good it has opened the eyes to a lot of people on just how bias, and sometimes "dirty" the media can be. And that's not a knock on just one side. I am talking across the board.
You mean like when Fox News reported that Obama's 'fist bump' to his wife was an Al Qaeda signal? So its the 'media' who is dirty and not Rove and his tactics?
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You mean like when Fox News reported that Obama's 'fist bump' to his wife was an Al Qaeda signal? So its the 'media' who is dirty and not Rove and his tactics?

You don't even want to get into what the media reported, because trust me, I can bring up a lot more crap that the "liberal" media has put out there. I wasn't pointing out one side or the other, but in your normal fashion you go ahead and attack the other side. Great tactics. Well, they are if your intention is to have no one take you seriously.
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Question.

Do the media intentionally distort things or are reporters just too damn lazy to understand the subject at hand before they write about it?

I ask because after several years of dealing with local reporters, my vote goes to option B.
I delt with them for even longer and I am going for option A. I have numerous times known what "reporters" knew and then seen or read what they present and there was NO DOUBT they had no problem twisting the facts so bad they ended up LYING.

The media lies more than politicians do. They will present outright falsehoods, KNOWING that they are doing it..as long as it makes $$$$.

Good reporters will never be heard because the truth just isn't interesting enough....even if they know it.
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Well in all fairness, Palin's remark is sufficiently vague that one can interpret it multiple ways.

Just who are the "thousands of Americans" she is referring to and who are the "people who rejoiced"?

After all, thousands of Americans have died in Iraq and it isn't a stretch to suggest that the ones attacking them rejoiced at their success. Those same people have also attacked innocent Iraqi citizens.

Is that what she meant?

Kristol's suggestion regarding al Qaeda in Iraq is another possible interpretation.

Kornblut's interpretation is possible as well.

Some of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq still does consist of former Baathist party members who were part of Saddam's regime.

There was celebration among the baathists over 9-11.

Is that who she was referring to?

Only Palin and her speechwriters know for sure which of these she was actually referring to.

Any one else who says that she 'clearly meant" any of those interpretations is making an unfounded statement.

BTW, it is very common for politicians to be intentionally vague like this.


Once again, your post is too intelligent for this forum. UT needs to move you on to a more advanced class.

The correct response in here is critical of the Washington Post and generally incorporates the terms "leftist media" or "moonbat". It is also acceptable to simply say, "they suck".
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I delt with them for even longer and I am going for option A. I have numerous times known what "reporters" knew and then seen or read what they present and there was NO DOUBT they had no problem twisting the facts so bad they ended up LYING.

The media lies more than politicians do. They will present outright falsehoods, KNOWING that they are doing it..as long as it makes $$$$.

Good reporters will never be heard because the truth just isn't interesting enough....even if they know it.

Oh boy you had to go and use the "L" word.

Can we please agree to drop that word from general usage?
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Oh boy you had to go and use the "L" word.

Can we please agree to drop that word from general usage?

I'm not using the "L" word in the context of "Ebay", or "kindergarden sex-ed"

I am talking about teh FBI finding 90K of marked bills in your freezer and claiming you did "nothing wrong", or soliciting a UC officer for sex in a bathroom, pleading guilty and saying you did "nothing wrong".

I am talking about a reporter that knows the FACTS yet leaves out the other side on purpose and presents something as "fact" when they KNOW it was proven to be "not true". Then prints the "story" that presents a FABRICATION of the incident.

None of these examples are anything but CLEAR examples of the "L" word.

I am not talking about every day politician speak. I think it is the height of stupidity to jump on the "Ebay", "pig lipstick" BS.

My example? Its not the same "usage"...I am applying it in a proper manner IMO.
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I'm not using the "L" word in the context of "Ebay", or "kindergarden sex-ed"

I am talking about teh FBI finding 90K of marked bills in your freezer and claiming you did "nothing wrong", or soliciting a UC officer for sex in a bathroom, pleading guilty and saying you did "nothing wrong".

I am talking about a reporter that knows the FACTS yet leaves out the other side on purpose and presents something as "fact" when they KNOW it was proven to be "not true". Then prints the "story" that presents a FABRICATION of the incident.

None of these examples are anything but CLEAR examples of the "L" word.

I am not talking about every day politician speak. I think it is the height of stupidity to jump on the "Ebay", "pig lipstick" BS.

My example? Its not the same "usage"...I am applying it in a proper manner IMO.
I guess I wasn't clear.

I don't care what anyone did.

Don't use the "L" word.

I think that word has done more to inflame the partisans on either side than any other word tossed about.

Using the word simply antagonizes the other side to find an example they can cite.

If we all agree to simply stop using that word, then perhaps the two sides can have a reasoned debate on a topic without it degenerating into a flame war.

Just let it go.
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I guess I wasn't clear.

I don't care what anyone did.

Don't use the "L" word.

I think that word has done more to inflame the partisans on either side than any other word tossed about.

Using the word simply antagonizes the other side to find an example they can cite.

If we all agree to simply stop using that word, then perhaps the two sides can have a reasoned debate on a topic without it degenerating into a flame war.

Just let it go.
Now its PC run amok....I guess we don't have the right in a free country to use the "L" word in a sentence now because some Lib's feelings are going to be hurt. For crying out loud, you guys and gals of the lib persuasion, used to wear that word like a badge of honor, and now heaven forbid, we can't use it because it will be used as a stick, to beat the supposed "insensitive conservative" types about the head and shoulders. Give me a break!!!!!! Lib's have been doing the same for years. I guess we shouldn't use "pig and lipstick" in the same sentence either.
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Now its PC run amok....I guess we don't have the right in a free country to use the "L" word in a sentence now because some Lib's feelings are going to be hurt. For crying out loud, you guys and gals of the lib persuasion, used to wear that word like a badge of honor, and now heaven forbid, we can't use it because it will be used as a stick, to beat the supposed "insensitive conservative" types about the head and shoulders. Give me a break!!!!!! Lib's have been doing the same for years. I guess we shouldn't use "pig and lipstick" in the same sentence either.


It's not about hurting any one's feeling, it's about trying to get the discussion past the "whose ox is gored" stage.

Far too many of these discussions end up being the same thing as two kids in the backseat arguing over which one "started it".

I don't care who started it.

I don't care who's used the word in the past or who was justified or not justified to use it.

I've chosen that word as being the starting point in trying to get both sides to set aside their partisan perspectives and actually listen to what the other side has to say and accept or reject their argument based on the content of their ideas, not their ability to toss about sound bites and accusations.

You don't want to abide by that limitation?

Fine, you are certainly free to do what ever you wish.

As far as I'm concerned using the "L" word will be the same as making a Hitler analogy. It will mean that you don't have the ability to state your position in a logical and rational fashion and simply resort to tossing out sound bites in an effort to end a discussion rather than further it.

I don't expect that an "O_P_T's Law" will develop along the lines as the corollary to Godwin's Law, but I'm giving everyone fair notice on how I will respond.
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It's not about hurting any one's feeling, it's about trying to get the discussion past the "whose ox is gored" stage.

Far too many of these discussions end up being the same thing as two kids in the backseat arguing over which one "started it".

I don't care who started it.

I don't care who's used the word in the past or who was justified or not justified to use it.

I've chosen that word as being the starting point in trying to get both sides to set aside their partisan perspectives and actually listen to what the other side has to say and accept or reject their argument based on the content of their ideas, not their ability to toss about sound bites and accusations.

You don't want to abide by that limitation?

Fine, you are certainly free to do what ever you wish.

As far as I'm concerned using the "L" word will be the same as making a Hitler analogy. It will mean that you don't have the ability to state your position in a logical and rational fashion and simply resort to tossing out sound bites in an effort to end a discussion rather than further it.

I don't expect that an "O_P_T's Law" will develop along the lines as the corollary to Godwin's Law, but I'm giving everyone fair notice on how I will respond.
To be clear in my post I was NOT stating a position I was stating my OPINION on the media either being purposely "lazy" or dishonest. (answering a question a poster asked which asked for an OPINION) I used my experience to back my OPINION up. I was talking about the media not a "side". My examples of the media contained a statement about politicians...not R's or D's "politicians"...you called me on it and I explained it using an example from both parties of things that HAVE been proven factually to be...lies.

I respect your posts, but your "crusade" has kind of gotten out of hand. For one it will never move any conversation along in here as half of what the threads here are about is candidates themselves using vague references to it.

You jumped on me for "using" it when I was simply responding to a question about the media and was responding to a post that wanted an OPINION.

The poster asked "Question.

Do the media intentionally distort things or are reporters just too damn lazy to understand the subject at hand before they write about it?

I ask because after several years of dealing with local reporters, my vote goes to option B."



I answered the question and my response was it was my OPINION that "reporters" LIE in their stories more than they are lazy. Sorry...here is the definition... "Lying is typically used to refer to deceptions in oral or written communication. A true statement can be considered a lie if the person making that statement is doing so to deceive." (I have experienced EXACTLY this in multiple dealings with the media...so I stated my OPINION with WHY I FEEL this way using my experiences with the media) Since I one was talking about the MEDIA and not any "partisan" political sound bite I think you should just get off the soap box for a minute and relax.

I did not lose an "argument" by using the "L" word or invoking Hilter...I was stating an opinion about the MEDIA...not "partisan politics". I was not stating fact as much as I was stating my experience in dealing FIRST HAND with a false story.

Frankly "calling me out" for using the "L word" is not only overboard since I was NOT discussing a "partisan" issue you are trying to "avoid", it is frankly out of line really. You have some of the best posts in here but you need to take a step back for a minute.

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