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Old 08-27-2008, 03:21 PM   #106
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they were all chokers ,,,Antwain is arguably the greatest All Time RB
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they were all chokers ,,,Antwain is arguably the greatest All Time RB
Right ahead of Mercury Morris
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Right ahead of Mercury Morris
God Yea !!! Antwain blows Mercury away...hes got 2 rings and an excellant 3.6 YPC average with the Patriots... who's better than Antwain ?...

Nobody...how many RB's have 2 rings ?

Emmitt ...who else..
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actually Anstwain smith is just like emitt Smith...and they both even spell their last names the same...whats really the differance in comparing the 2 RB smiths the way Brady is to montanna...same fcking thing...

Antwain rules...
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This is all just fine & dandy...I don't have a single problem with not performing a high levels & winning SB rings...Thats just great...Go Tom !!!

My "ONLY" problem is the NFL & you fans trying to pass Brady off as some great passing QB...he is without question and undisputable as average a QB in the league...unless even 1 of you can please post some credible evidence he is somehow better !!!

You can't prove & no one has yet....
2007 NFL Offensive Statistics per ProFootball Weekly magazine

Total yards/game: NE #1
Passing yards/game: NE #1
Avg Gain/Pass Play: NE #1
First Downs: NE #1
Avg Gain/Offensive Play: NE #1

Tom Brady
4806 yards (68.9% completion), 50 TD's 8 INT's 117.2 Rating

Everyone Else (top 10, both conferences)with 3000 yards throwing
(AFC)
Carson Palmer
4131 (64.9 % completion) 26 TD's 20 INT's 86.7 rating
Derek Anderson
3787 (56.5% competion) 29 TDs 19 INT's 82.5 rating
Jay Cutler
3497 (63.6% completion) 20 TD's 14 INT's 88.1 rating
Ben Roethlisberger
3154 (65.3% completion) 32 TD's 11 INT's 104.1 rating
Phillip Rivers
3152 (60.2% completion) 21 TD's 15 INT's 82.4 rating
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Drew Brees
4423 (67.5% completion) 28 TD's 18 INT's 89.4 rating
Tony Romo
4211 (64.4% completion) 36 TD's 19 INT's 97.4 rating (led the NFC in Avg Gain) his was 8.1 .... Tom Brady's was 8.31
Brett Favre
4155 (66.5% completion) 28 TD's 15 INT's 95.7 rating
Jon Kitna
4068 (63.3% completion) 18 TD's 20 INT's 80.9 rating
Matt Hasselbeck
3966 (62.6% completion) 28 TD's 12 INT's 91.4 rating

There are your stats, your proof. These stats are for real, not just for show, I didn't make them up so Tom Brady can stay on the pedastal all us Pats fans keep him on. Look at the numbers, it is absolutely ridiculous ... he threw for more yards, more TD's, less picks by far. Only a few QB's in the AFC had less INT's than him, David Garrard (which might be a fluke or not, we will see this season ... last year he was phenomenal with 18 TD's 3 INT's) Cleo Lemon (6 TD's and 6 INT's), Brodie Croyle (6 TD's and 6 INT's). In the NFC Jeff Garcia (13 TD's 4 INT's) Donovan McNabb (19 TD's 7 INT's) and Rex Grossman (4 TD's and 7 INT's) had fewer INT's. I've defended my Hall of Fame quarterback, keep trying to defend yours
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actually Anstwain smith is just like emitt Smith...and they both even spell their last names the same...whats really the differance in comparing the 2 RB smiths the way Brady is to montanna...same fcking thing...

Antwain rules...



Are you stupid? Tell you what, drop me montana's and bradys first 7 years on this thread and lets see how it looks? You wont do this becuase it would make you look like a complete idiot.
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God Yea !!! Antwain blows Mercury away...hes got 2 rings and an excellant 3.6 YPC average with the Patriots... who's better than Antwain ?...

Nobody...how many RB's have 2 rings ?

Emmitt ...who else..


Do you even not get that brady stats are better than montana's too? God you are stupid. I mean at least try to make youself look like you know something about football at all.
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2007 NFL Offensive Statistics per ProFootball Weekly magazine

Total yards/game: NE #1
Passing yards/game: NE #1
Avg Gain/Pass Play: NE #1
First Downs: NE #1
Avg Gain/Offensive Play: NE #1

Tom Brady
4806 yards (68.9% completion), 50 TD's 8 INT's 117.2 Rating

I've defended my Hall of Fame quarterback, keep trying to defend yours

All Great stuff Beantown...he had an awsome statistical year in 2007...that was with Moss and because of Moss......he doesn't come close to those numbers without 8'-16" Randy Moss out jumping and fighting and even having to stop & wait downfield drawing extra coverage to fight off DB's for Brady's short throws... Thats a fact...look at his 6 seasons without a freak that also increased every QB's numbers he played for...Peddington & Cullpepper

And Brady still ultimately choked anyway...LMFAO!!! Now prove the argument a "1 season wonder" like Brady deserves all the bullshit media hype when he was as average a QB as can be averaging QB rating was 8th in forst 6 years & 7th in career
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All Great stuff Beantown...he had an awsome statistical year in 2007...that was with Moss and because of Moss......he doesn't come close to those numbers without 8'-16" Randy Moss out jumping and fighting and even having to stop & wait downfield drawing extra coverage to fight off DB's for Brady's short throws... Thats a fact...look at his 6 seasons without a freak that also increased every QB's numbers he played for...Peddington & Cullpepper

And Brady still ultimately choked anyway...LMFAO!!! Now prove the argument a "1 season wonder" like Brady deserves all the bullshit media hype when he was as average a QB as can be averaging QB rating was 8th in forst 6 years & 7th in career


How come nobody ever did those numbers with moss? Did you know that brady is 4th in Qb rating for his career...thats 4th...of all time...marino is 16th.
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All Great stuff Beantown...he had an awsome statistical year in 2007...that was with Moss and because of Moss......he doesn't come close to those numbers without 8'-16" Randy Moss out jumping and fighting and even having to stop & wait downfield drawing extra coverage to fight off DB's for Brady's short throws... Thats a fact...look at his 6 seasons without a freak that also increased every QB's numbers he played for...Peddington & Cullpepper

And Brady still ultimately choked anyway...LMFAO!!! Now prove the argument a "1 season wonder" like Brady deserves all the bullshit media hype when he was as average a QB as can be averaging QB rating was 8th in forst 6 years & 7th in career
okay, moss consistied of 23 TD's ... what about the other 27, what about the yards, the the rating, the avg gain and the best completion percentage in the NFL? i mean come on dude, don't harp on one thing, answer the questions instead of having verbal (or typing) diarrhea.

by the way, in Tom Brady's first 8 years he has never thrown for more than 14 INT's .... Dan (Laces Out) Marino had 5 seasons with more than 14 INT's in his first 8 (17, 21, 22, 23, 23) so cmon, how about you just say Brady is the Man, and then you can go into all the Dolphin forums and talk about how bad Marino was:Patriots!
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How long do you think it'll take until he admits he's wrong?
never ... he has mental problems man ... kinda like Brick Tamland a.k.a. Steve Carrell in "Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy". I bet D even eats big red candles and sticks mayonaisse in the toaster too ...
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Are you stupid? Tell you what, drop me montana's and bradys first 7 years on this thread and lets see how it looks? You wont do this becuase it would make you look like a complete idiot.
You know why Brady is hyped up so much...because of the increased millions of new woman & children they networked into this sport...and hes a "Glory boy" story and so cute with his modeling career.., hes girl friendly with those dimples & little shy whining voice of his and those 3 paid for rings...

I have done this before asswipe...and you lost..Im not going to do it again...and especially the way every time you lose...you start getting worst & worst down to using 6 passes out of 4,0000 completion in only 3 games out of 130 to determine who is a better downfield passing QB...when I prove & post Brady has a 28% career completion percentage in ALL & every 20+ yard pass he threw...compared tp mannings 45% and even Palmers 39%...

I will only say this ...again you have the nerve to insult & disrespect 1 of the greatest All Time NFL QB heroes to prop that punk ass fraud of a Panty model...

Joe Montanna - 1981-1987 (1982 only 9 GS and 1986 only 8 GS )

Passes Completed (Joe 5 top 5 seasons to Brady's 3 )
1981 NFL 311 (4) 2001 NFL 264 (-)
1982 NFL 213 (2) 2002 NFL 373 (4)
1983 NFL 332 (3) 2003 NFL 317 (6)
1984 NFL 279 (7) 2004 NFL 288 (-)
1985 NFL 303 (3) 2005 NFL 334 (3)
1986 NFL 191 (-) 2006 NFL 319 (7)
1987 NFL 266 (2) 2007 NFL 398 (2)


Passing Yds ( Joe 4 top 5 seasons to Brady's 2 )
1981 NFL 3565 (8) 2001 NFL 2843 (-)
1982 NFL 2613 (2) 2002 NFL 3764 (6)
1983 NFL 3910 (4) 2003 NFL 3620 (6)
1984 NFL 3630 (6) 2004 NFL 3692 (-)
1985 NFL 3653 (5) 2005 NFL 4110 (1)
1986 NFL 2236 (-) 2006 NFL 3529 (7)
1987 NFL 3054 (5) 2007 NFL 4806 (1)


Passing TD ( Joe Top 5 every year he played +9 Games to Bradys 2)
1981 NFL 19 (-) 2001 NFL 18 (-)
1982 NFL 17 (1) 2002 NFL 28 (1)
1983 NFL 26 (4) 2003 NFL 23 (10)
1984 NFL 28 (3 2004 NFL 28 (6)
1985 NFL 27 (2) 2005 NFL 26 (3)
1986 NFL 8 (-) 2006 NFL 24 (4)
1987 NFL 31 (1) 2007 NFL 50 (1)


Passer Rating ( Montanna top 5 all 7 seasons to Bradys 1)
1981 NFL 88.4 (4) 2001 NFL 86.5 (6)
1982 NFL 88.0 (5) 2002 NFL 85.7 (9)
1983 NFL 94.6 (5) 2003 NFL 85.9 (10)
1984 NFL102.9 (2) 2004 NFL 92.6 (9)
1985 NFL 91.3 (3) 2005 NFL 92.3 (6)
1986 NFL 80.7 (-) 2006 NFL 87.9 (9)
1987 NFL102.1 (1) 2007 NFL 117.2 (1)

- How is even Brady comparable to the great one...for starters Montanna went against all the greatest passing QB;s in History not just 1 HOF QB like Manning...

- 2 of the 7 seasons Montanna didn't even play more than 9 games which hurt his TD, yards, and completion stats..& he still had more top 5 seasons than Brady & against better passing competition...

- And ultimately look at Montanna's QB rating & ranking every year he is Top 5 all but 1986 when he only played 8 games...Brady only 1 season made the top 5 and his competit ion fvcking sucks compared to what Montanna went against...

So tell me Midgar...how the fvck can you make such insulting disrespectful bullshit statements as you do about the NFL , Joe Montanna and every other HOF QB in History...

Your a fvcking tool !!!
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anything not ranked in top 10 = (-) and I just ranked 10th for everyone

1981-1987 - Joe Montana - (1982 - 9 GS and 1986 - 8 GS minus 15 )
1983-1989 - Dan Marino - (1983 - 9 GS and 1987 - 12GS minus 11 )
2001-2005 - Tom Brady - ( ONLY Missed 1 game )

Passes Completed
1983 DM *** (-) 1981 JM 311 (4) 2001 TB 264 (-)
1984 DM 362 (1) 1982 JM 213 (2) 2002 TB 373 (4)
1985 DM 336 (1) 1983 JM 332 (3) 2003 TB 317 (6)
1986 DM 378 (1) 1984 JM 279 (7) 2004 TB288 (-)
1987 DM 263 (3) 1985 JM 303 (3) 2005 TB 334 (3)
1988 DM 354 (1) 1986 JM 191 (-) 2006 TB 319 (7)
1989 DM 308 (2) 1987 JM 266 (2) 2007 TB 398 (2)
DM = 2.7
JM = 4.4
TB = 6.0


Passing Yds
1983 DM **** (-)1981 JM 3565 (8) 2001 TB 2843 (-)
1984 DM 5084 (1) 1982 JM 2613 (2) 2002 TB 3764 (6)
1985 DM 4137 (1) 1983 JM 3910 (4) 2003 TB 3620 (6)
1986 DM 4746 (1) 1984 JM 3630 (6) 2004 TB 3692 (-)
1987 DM 3245 (3) 1985 JM 3653 (5) 2005 TB 4110 (1)
1988 DM 4434 (1) 1986 JM 2236 (-) 2006 TB 3529 (7)
1989 DM 3997 (3) 1987 JM 3054 (5) 2007 TB 4806 (1)
DM - 2.8
JM - 5.7
TB - 5.8

Passing TD
1983 DM 20 (1)1981 JM 19 (-) 2001 TB 18 (-)
1984 DM 48 (1) 1982 JM 17 (1) 2002 TB 28 (1)
1985 DM 30 (1) 1983 JM 26 (4) 2003 TB 23 (10)
1986 DM 44 (1) 1984 JM 28 (3 2004 TB 28 (6)
1987 DM 26 (2) 1985 JM 27 (2) 2005 TB 26 (3)
1988 DM 28 (2) 1986 JM 8 (-) 2006 TB 24 (4)
1989 DM 24 (6) 1987 JM 31 (1) 2007 TB 50 (1)
DM - 2.0
JM - 4.4
TB - 5.0

Passer Rating
1983 DM 96.0 (3) 1981 JM 88.4 (4) 2001 TB 86.5 (6)
1984 DM 108.9(1)1982 JM 88.0 (5) 2002 TB 85.7 (9)
1985 DM 84.1 (5) 1983 JM 94.6 (5) 2003 TB 85.9 (-)
1986 DM 92.5 (2) 1984 JM102.9 (2) 2004 TB 92.6 (9)
1987 DM 89.2 (4) 1985 JM 91.3 (3) 2005 TB 92.3 (6)
1988 DM 80.8 (-) 1986 JM 80.7 (-) 2006 TB 87.9 (9)
1989 DM 76.9 (-) 1987 JM 102.1 (1) 2007 TB117.2 (1)
JM - 4.2
DM - 5.0
TB - 7.1


Seems the greatest passing QB still is Dan Marino... and the fraud Brady shines again in last place not making the top 5 like Marino & Montanna & Brady even went against pathetic QB competition...

There is no comparison...
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anything not ranked in top 10 = (-) and I just ranked 10th for everyone

1981-1987 - Joe Montana - (1982 - 9 GS and 1986 - 8 GS minus 15 )
1983-1989 - Dan Marino - (1983 - 9 GS and 1987 - 12GS minus 11 )
2001-2005 - Tom Brady - ( ONLY Missed 1 game )

Passes Completed
1983 DM *** (-) 1981 JM 311 (4) 2001 TB 264 (-)
1984 DM 362 (1) 1982 JM 213 (2) 2002 TB 373 (4)
1985 DM 336 (1) 1983 JM 332 (3) 2003 TB 317 (6)
1986 DM 378 (1) 1984 JM 279 (7) 2004 TB288 (-)
1987 DM 263 (3) 1985 JM 303 (3) 2005 TB 334 (3)
1988 DM 354 (1) 1986 JM 191 (-) 2006 TB 319 (7)
1989 DM 308 (2) 1987 JM 266 (2) 2007 TB 398 (2)
DM = 2.7
JM = 4.4
TB = 6.0


Passing Yds
1983 DM **** (-)1981 JM 3565 (8) 2001 TB 2843 (-)
1984 DM 5084 (1) 1982 JM 2613 (2) 2002 TB 3764 (6)
1985 DM 4137 (1) 1983 JM 3910 (4) 2003 TB 3620 (6)
1986 DM 4746 (1) 1984 JM 3630 (6) 2004 TB 3692 (-)
1987 DM 3245 (3) 1985 JM 3653 (5) 2005 TB 4110 (1)
1988 DM 4434 (1) 1986 JM 2236 (-) 2006 TB 3529 (7)
1989 DM 3997 (3) 1987 JM 3054 (5) 2007 TB 4806 (1)
DM - 2.8
JM - 5.7
TB - 5.8

Passing TD
1983 DM 20 (1)1981 JM 19 (-) 2001 TB 18 (-)
1984 DM 48 (1) 1982 JM 17 (1) 2002 TB 28 (1)
1985 DM 30 (1) 1983 JM 26 (4) 2003 TB 23 (10)
1986 DM 44 (1) 1984 JM 28 (3 2004 TB 28 (6)
1987 DM 26 (2) 1985 JM 27 (2) 2005 TB 26 (3)
1988 DM 28 (2) 1986 JM 8 (-) 2006 TB 24 (4)
1989 DM 24 (6) 1987 JM 31 (1) 2007 TB 50 (1)
DM - 2.0
JM - 4.4
TB - 5.0

Passer Rating
1983 DM 96.0 (3) 1981 JM 88.4 (4) 2001 TB 86.5 (6)
1984 DM 108.9(1)1982 JM 88.0 (5) 2002 TB 85.7 (9)
1985 DM 84.1 (5) 1983 JM 94.6 (5) 2003 TB 85.9 (-)
1986 DM 92.5 (2) 1984 JM102.9 (2) 2004 TB 92.6 (9)
1987 DM 89.2 (4) 1985 JM 91.3 (3) 2005 TB 92.3 (6)
1988 DM 80.8 (-) 1986 JM 80.7 (-) 2006 TB 87.9 (9)
1989 DM 76.9 (-) 1987 JM 102.1 (1) 2007 TB117.2 (1)
JM - 4.2
DM - 5.0
TB - 7.1


Seems the greatest passing QB still is Dan Marino... and the fraud Brady shines again in last place not making the top 5 like Marino & Montanna & Brady even went against pathetic QB competition...

There is no comparison...
first question, where do you get your stats from?
2nd, what talent pool is better, the 80's and 90's or the players in the last 10 years?
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