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Old 07-01-2020, 01:24 PM   #31
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Good thing we cowered to the league then. Imagine what they could have done with a fake football operations taping scandal if we didn't.
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Old 07-01-2020, 01:28 PM   #32
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Good thing we cowered to the league then. Imagine what they could have done with a fake football operations taping scandal if we didn't.
What else is new? I think Roger operates off what other owners tell him. Freaking atlanta piped in crowd noise and got the same fine.
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Old 07-01-2020, 01:32 PM   #33
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I don't know when RKK will figure out going along to get along isn't working.
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Old 07-01-2020, 01:42 PM   #34
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A the short term memory of a fan. I saw him in a 30 point loss run for a td in garbage time and pose for 2 minutes. If you think is what got this team the success they have had in the last 20 years, not sure what else to say.
He didn't say anything like that but even if he did, you don't have to say anything. Your track record of trying to make everyone believe what you believe isn't very good.

On a different subject, check this out. It's like DJ Bean is speaking directly to you as he addresses a lot of things you've been jamming us for daring to think


The last couple of years were a bit of a headache if you dared to be even one drop critical of Tom Brady.

I say this because I was in this camp and was extremely surprised by how little tolerance there was for such talk.

Brady, I was reminded by colleagues and readers alike, was the GOAT, which I understood, but felt was kind of irrelevant. After all, if we couldn't acknowledge that Brady's play was worse, we were saying that recent Brady — someone who was not even the best quarterback in the league — was the same as vintage Brady, which would be to say that Brady was not the greatest QB of all time.

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I thought crying "But the weaponz!" ignored a large part of the story, which was that Brady didn't seem to care to make it work with the guys he had. I said all last season if he was in the right offense he could still be an MVP, but that it wasn't going to be in New England because he had turned into a bit of a pill after a lengthy stay.

Along the way, I grew so frustrated with this apparent "you're never allowed to criticize Brady" rule that I guess I became a little anti-Brady.

And looking at it now? I've gotta say it's not such a bad place to be. Thirty teams, including the Patriots, agreed he's not the same player he's always been, even if he's still a Top 10 quarterback. And to defend him at every turn with all the practice/COVID stuff? Sounds awful.

First of all, free agency was hilarious. All that "just you wait and see the list of teams that'll kick their quarterback to the curb for him!" that we heard? Yep, two teams wanted him.

Two. Out of 32.

The stuff about the Patriots being willing to pay $30 million a year to keep him? Didn't happen.

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The team he ended up choosing was the one we theorized could be a dark horse if they threw way more money at him than anyone else. They didn't have to throw crazy money at him, though. In fact, they signed him for less than the numbers we saw thrown around. Why? Perhaps because only two teams wanted Brady. Beggars can't be choosers.

Now, after the NFLPA recommended players not work out together for safety's sake, ol' Tommy Two Teams is in Florida doing all the workouts with Bucs teammates he possibly can. Know how we know he's doing that? Because he's posting about it on social media, including last week's post, which had the "only thing we have to fear is fear itself" quote.

In other words, "you fraidy cats might be doing as you're told on this one, but I don't have to because I'm the GOAT," or worse, "because I'm taking the right TB12 products to prevent this thing."

Not only is he thumbing his nose at his own Players Association and anyone who's taken precautions to minimize the spread of COVID-19, he's thumbing his nose at you, the unwavering Brady/Pats fans who said extra sessions didn't matter.

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Because Brady disagrees with you. He finds them so important, in fact, that he's ignoring a pandemic in a state with spiking rates in order to do them. And no, these aren't OTAs, which is what Brady was skipping in New England, but considering the groups he's gotten together — quarterbacks, receivers, backs, offensive linemen? — he's essentially organizing his own OTAs.

And if you're still defending Brady putting in less time with the Pats and want to say "well duh, he has new teammates," you're ignoring that he had new teammates for the sessions he skipped last year. Perhaps the difference is that those new teammates were rookies and Brady typically doesn't like those.

There was plenty to criticize about how the Patriots handled Brady. They didn't show a ton of faith in him. But you can still say that while also acknowledging that it seemed like Brady wasn't giving the Patriots his all.

This offseason has confirmed that while also showing some sort of combination of selfishness and recklessness from Brady, which is to say this: Brady is human and the standard to which people held him made them look awfully silly. It's OK to back off that.

Tom Brady is the most accomplished quarterback of all time. That locals would defend him at every turn is understandable, as Patriots fans will forever be indebted to him. The last couple of years haven't been perfect, though, and noting it doesn't make you a "troll" or a "hater."

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Old 07-01-2020, 03:34 PM   #35
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A the short term memory of a fan. I saw him in a 30 point loss run for a td in garbage time and pose for 2 minutes. If you think is what got this team the success they have had in the last 20 years, not sure what else to say.
I guess I will just have to read how everyone here loves him now all of the sudden until something happens, and then here for 2 weeks how, you all knew it would.


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Short term memory of fans who get a player. LOL...

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I think the league was putting pressure on the pats to let him go, threats of suspensions, etc. I do not think moral issues had anything to do with it.

Did that celebration really last 2 minutes? Did it win or lose the game? No one here thinks a celebratory behavior led to any of the Pats' success over the last 20 years. But I can also tell you no one here thinks any of Gronk's spikes caused us any failures either.

You used 3 articles but perspective is important:
1 from 8 years ago that showed him sulking on the sideline because his team was losing. We saw Brady angry and sulking last year. Big effing deal. Neither likes losing. "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser."

Your 2nd article that rips him for his impolite response to a woman journalist is by Sally Jenkins who, although a brilliant writer, is known to be a late-wave feminist quick to rip anyone she can who shows impolite behavior to or unfair treatment of a female.

https://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcon...xt=publication

Your 3rd article about the SB fumble that he didn't attempt to recover is the thing we all remember. That was a bad look for Cam without question. Yet I never read any criticisms of Cam about that from any of his coaches or team mates. They knew Cam carried the team to the SB on his back. If he had been injured the same way Drew Brees was injured diving on a loose ball (which ended his career with the Chargers) the Panthers would have had no chance to win. Nevertheless it was a bad look and yet that one play in no way defines Cam Newton's competitiveness or toughness.

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Old 07-01-2020, 04:50 PM   #36
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Two years. And Brown was a PITA prima donna from day one.The Burfict hit turned him into an unworkable nightmare.

But yes, if I were Arians, I would have given my old friend Mike Tomlin a call and probably gotten an earful of NOOOOOOOOOO.

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No doubt, especially when you consider how annoyed he was when Kraft cut him. I always thought Kraft pulled the trigger way too soon, that he should have told AB to apologize to the artist and pay her the money he owed her plus $100K as an apology, and then cut him only if he refused. I wonder if Tom's attitude would have been different had AB not been cut after giving Brady a taste of AB.
Good call on two years. I had thought Arians left Pittsburgh after 2010 for some odd reason. As for Brown being a well-known nightmare in 2010 and 2011, I do not remember that either. Do you have a specific issue you’re referring to?
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Good call on two years. I had thought Arians left Pittsburgh after 2010 for some odd reason. As for Brown being a well-known nightmare in 2010 and 2011, I do not remember that either. Do you have a specific issue you’re referring to?
I called him a prima donna, not a nightmare, from day one, but thinking about it, being WR prima donna is hardly unique. Plus as a late round pick doing so well right off the bat, he was entitled to give some pushback.

Like you, I believe the Burfict hit caused some serious injury to his brain.

I'm more annoyed at Kraft than Brown for his short tenure with the Pats.
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Go get Dante Stallworth and Legarrette Blount while you're at it, Tampa. None of them play defense.

Brady will be great in September, and everyone will be freaking out, and he will fade over the course of the rest of the season, just like all these washed QBs do when they go to new teams.
AB just needs moar time to fuck up even moar. He's a mental midget...

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For one season. Brown didn’t really start going off the deep end until Burfict decapitated him in early 2016. I’m sure Arians knows he’s a nut case, though.
Stevie Wonder can see this...

Burfict ruined AB. Haywired...

Rick Sanchez (Ricky and Morty) can't fix that bish...
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