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Old 02-09-2018, 08:32 PM   #46
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If you think BB got rid of Chandler Jones because they could not afford him AND you think he wanted to keep Jimmy G, I am going to ask you to show your work in how you got that answer.
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If you think BB got rid of Chandler Jones because they could not afford him AND you think he wanted to keep Jimmy G, I am going to ask you to show your work in how you got that answer.
BB was ready for Brady to retire after this year (after winning ring #6)...and give JimmyG the reigns.

BUT, it didn't work that way. Obviously.

I'm standing behind this theory.
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BB was ready for Brady to retire after this year (after winning ring #6)...and give JimmyG the reigns.

BUT, it didn't work that way. Obviously.

I'm standing behind this theory.
I agree. I believe Brady surprised bill by how good he still is. But I bet BB is,still not happy getting rid of JG. Time will tell who was right
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I agree. I believe Brady surprised bill by how good he still is. But I bet BB is,still not happy getting rid of JG. Time will tell who was right


What is done is done...you can't change the past.

Hopefully BB can pick the correct heir apparent.

AND...Brady keeps kicks ass, because...obviously he still has it. Extremely impressive!

BB has to make this defense better though. It needs help big time.
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Yes, Belichick is a moron. He should've done like he did in Cleveland with Kosar and Testaverde. He should've cut the greatest QB in NFL history who was still playing in his prime, in order to keep--and pay huge money to--a young guy who'd only had two and a half starts. Yeah, that would've gone over great in New England. The fires would still be smoldering.

How many times do we have to go over this?

1) They were NOT franchising JG and paying him more money than Brady.
2) They were NOT trading/releasing Brady, who had not slowed down at all.
3) They could NOT work a deal with JG, who wanted to start somewhere.

They kept JG around because he was on his cheap rookie contract, and they needed to see if Brady was going to fall off the cliff. JG's contract was ending and Brady hadn't fallen off. Something had to give. Everyone knew JG wasn't going to stay here. They waited until the last minute and got what they could for him. Could they have traded him before the season and gotten more? Of course. But the whole point was to have him around in case Brady declined.

There was NO. WAY. TO KEEP BOTH.

Good luck in life, JG. Now it's time for the Pats to work their magic again and draft another QB who can take over for Brady at the end of this coming season or the next season, whenever he finally declines and decides to hang 'em up.
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Yes, Belichick is a moron. He should've done like he did in Cleveland with Kosar and Testaverde. He should've cut the greatest QB in NFL history who was still playing in his prime, in order to keep--and pay huge money to--a young guy who'd only had two and a half starts. Yeah, that would've gone over great in New England. The fires would still be smoldering.

How many times do we have to go over this?

1) They were NOT franchising JG and paying him more money than Brady.
2) They were NOT trading/releasing Brady, who had not slowed down at all.
3) They could NOT work a deal with JG, who wanted to start somewhere.

They kept JG around because he was on his cheap rookie contract, and they needed to see if Brady was going to fall off the cliff. JG's contract was ending and Brady hadn't fallen off. Something had to give. Everyone knew JG wasn't going to stay here. They waited until the last minute and got what they could for him. Could they have traded him before the season and gotten more? Of course. But the whole point was to have him around in case Brady declined.

There was NO. WAY. TO KEEP BOTH.

Good luck in life, JG. Now it's time for the Pats to work their magic again and draft another QB who can take over for Brady at the end of this coming season or the next season, whenever he finally declines and decides to hang 'em up.


Yeah this. I am not sure its best to run Brady out of town just yet. So your choices were, trade JG, or cut QB who just won mvp and took you to superbowl and pay 137 mil to Jimmy and well hope it works out. Sorry timing was not there, yeah it would be easier if Brady just fell on his face and sucked, sorry.
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Yes, Belichick is a moron. He should've done like he did in Cleveland with Kosar and Testaverde. He should've cut the greatest QB in NFL history who was still playing in his prime, in order to keep--and pay huge money to--a young guy who'd only had two and a half starts. Yeah, that would've gone over great in New England. The fires would still be smoldering.

How many times do we have to go over this?

1) They were NOT franchising JG and paying him more money than Brady.
2) They were NOT trading/releasing Brady, who had not slowed down at all.
3) They could NOT work a deal with JG, who wanted to start somewhere.

They kept JG around because he was on his cheap rookie contract, and they needed to see if Brady was going to fall off the cliff. JG's contract was ending and Brady hadn't fallen off. Something had to give. Everyone knew JG wasn't going to stay here. They waited until the last minute and got what they could for him. Could they have traded him before the season and gotten more? Of course. But the whole point was to have him around in case Brady declined.

There was NO. WAY. TO KEEP BOTH.

Good luck in life, JG. Now it's time for the Pats to work their magic again and draft another QB who can take over for Brady at the end of this coming season or the next season, whenever he finally declines and decides to hang 'em up.
This.

To me, if Jimmy wins 4 superbowls in say the next 10 years and is a sure HOF, it was still the correct decision all the way around.

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yes, belichick is a moron. He should've done like he did in cleveland with kosar and testaverde. He should've cut the greatest qb in nfl history who was still playing in his prime, in order to keep--and pay huge money to--a young guy who'd only had two and a half starts. Yeah, that would've gone over great in new england. The fires would still be smoldering.

How many times do we have to go over this?

1) they were not franchising jg and paying him more money than brady.
2) they were not trading/releasing brady, who had not slowed down at all.
3) they could not work a deal with jg, who wanted to start somewhere.

They kept jg around because he was on his cheap rookie contract, and they needed to see if brady was going to fall off the cliff. Jg's contract was ending and brady hadn't fallen off. Something had to give. Everyone knew jg wasn't going to stay here. They waited until the last minute and got what they could for him. Could they have traded him before the season and gotten more? Of course. But the whole point was to have him around in case brady declined.

There was no. Way. To keep both.

Good luck in life, jg. Now it's time for the pats to work their magic again and draft another qb who can take over for brady at the end of this coming season or the next season, whenever he finally declines and decides to hang 'em up.
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Yes, Belichick is a moron. He should've done like he did in Cleveland with Kosar and Testaverde. He should've cut the greatest QB in NFL history who was still playing in his prime, in order to keep--and pay huge money to--a young guy who'd only had two and a half starts. Yeah, that would've gone over great in New England. The fires would still be smoldering.

How many times do we have to go over this?

1) They were NOT franchising JG and paying him more money than Brady.
2) They were NOT trading/releasing Brady, who had not slowed down at all.
3) They could NOT work a deal with JG, who wanted to start somewhere.

They kept JG around because he was on his cheap rookie contract, and they needed to see if Brady was going to fall off the cliff. JG's contract was ending and Brady hadn't fallen off. Something had to give. Everyone knew JG wasn't going to stay here. They waited until the last minute and got what they could for him. Could they have traded him before the season and gotten more? Of course. But the whole point was to have him around in case Brady declined.

There was NO. WAY. TO KEEP BOTH.

Good luck in life, JG. Now it's time for the Pats to work their magic again and draft another QB who can take over for Brady at the end of this coming season or the next season, whenever he finally declines and decides to hang 'em up.
Spot on. +1

Your last graph is key. The Pats will MOVE on and draft the next guy this season hopefully. That is where BB shines. He found Jimmy late in the second round. He will get another guy and he has Josh with him to develop him as well.
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Yes, Belichick is a moron. He should've done like he did in Cleveland with Kosar and Testaverde. He should've cut the greatest QB in NFL history who was still playing in his prime, in order to keep--and pay huge money to--a young guy who'd only had two and a half starts. Yeah, that would've gone over great in New England. The fires would still be smoldering.

How many times do we have to go over this?

1) They were NOT franchising JG and paying him more money than Brady.
2) They were NOT trading/releasing Brady, who had not slowed down at all.
3) They could NOT work a deal with JG, who wanted to start somewhere.

They kept JG around because he was on his cheap rookie contract, and they needed to see if Brady was going to fall off the cliff. JG's contract was ending and Brady hadn't fallen off. Something had to give. Everyone knew JG wasn't going to stay here. They waited until the last minute and got what they could for him. Could they have traded him before the season and gotten more? Of course. But the whole point was to have him around in case Brady declined.

There was NO. WAY. TO KEEP BOTH.
Lack of imagination or ability to conceive anything beyond conventional 'everybody knows this can't be done' isn't proof of anything other than a lack of imagination or ability to use one's head for more than something to keep his Patriots hat off his shoulders.

We can agree to be disagreeable on this subject. We can always re-visit it in 2040 if we're still alive.
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Lack of imagination or ability to conceive anything beyond conventional 'everybody knows this can't be done' isn't proof of anything other than a lack of imagination or ability to use one's head for more than something to keep his Patriots hat off his shoulders.

We can agree to be disagreeable on this subject. We can always re-visit it in 2040 if we're still alive.
I agree.

Money carried over and a few cuts easily could have accommodated a contract.

And it’s not like they have to hold the contract for 6 months. Get right to shopping for max value.
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Lack of imagination or ability to conceive anything beyond conventional 'everybody knows this can't be done' isn't proof of anything other than a lack of imagination or ability to use one's head for more than something to keep his Patriots hat off his shoulders.

We can agree to be disagreeable on this subject. We can always re-visit it in 2040 if we're still alive.
BB could have promised him the moon but Jimmy wanted to PLAY. That seems to be what people keep missing. He did not want to sit behind Brady anymore and was not going to sign to keep being a backup.
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The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Garop was drafted and developed as the heir apparent.

Brady's play never slipped.

BB waited until the last possible minute in case Brady's play did slip or he was injured.

He had to make a move at the trade deadline or miss out on any compensation.

There was an understanding with Garop and Yee that he wouldn't be sent to a shithole (Cleveland) which is why he was a good soldier throughout.
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I agree.

Money carried over and a few cuts easily could have accommodated a contract.

And it’s not like they have to hold the contract for 6 months. Get right to shopping for max value.
The Pats are entering 2018 with just $17M in cap space, including money carried over. To think they could have franchised JG is just foolish. As was mentioned in another thread, even with potential cuts, they're only looking at $35M+, give or take, then subtract $20M+ for the tag and suddenly there's not much of a team.

Then there's the assumption that someone is going to be a willing trade partner. Perhaps, but once the tag is applied, the shopper has the advantage. Any GM is going to know that the Pats cannot hold on to that contract and it has to be pulled off the table by a specific date (I believe it's some time in the summer), meanin they can either wait it out until the Pats are forced to release him or drive a hard bargain that's no better than what they got from SF. Add that the Pats hands are tied during free agency and it's looking more foolish. Finally, if JG goes ahead and signs it, then the Pats are truly screwed.

I'd like the armchair GM's try to explain how this was supposed to work.
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The Pats are entering 2018 with just $17M in cap space, including money carried over. To think they could have franchised JG is just foolish. As was mentioned in another thread, even with potential cuts, they're only looking at $35M+, give or take, then subtract $20M+ for the tag and suddenly there's not much of a team.

Then there's the assumption that someone is going to be a willing trade partner. Perhaps, but once the tag is applied, the shopper has the advantage. Any GM is going to know that the Pats cannot hold on to that contract and it has to be pulled off the table by a specific date (I believe it's some time in the summer), meanin they can either wait it out until the Pats are forced to release him or drive a hard bargain that's no better than what they got from SF. Add that the Pats hands are tied during free agency and it's looking more foolish. Finally, if JG goes ahead and signs it, then the Pats are truly screwed.

I'd like the armchair GM's try to explain how this was supposed to work.

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