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Old 02-09-2018, 08:15 AM   #16
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Scott Mitchell. Matt Flynn. Brock Osweiler. Matt Cassell.

I'm not saying that Jimmy G. is any one of these guys. But there are more stories like theirs than there are of successful backups who flourished on other teams. Maybe Drew Brees with the Chargers or even Brett Favruh with the Falcons but I don't think either of those two were projected to be the studs that they became.

I drank the Kool Aid many years ago and I continue to drink it. Keeping Jimmy was not really an option unless you jettisoned Brady. And that wasn't happening.
I almost hope he sucks, gets cut and returns so I can say the Pats system makes QB's great and the common thread to it all was Josh.
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Cleveland offered a 2nd and a 3rd, same as they offered the Bengals.

but you will laugh because I see Hoyer as a big part of this trade, you had no back up QB. that is worth the 3rd pick you gave up.


plus you will not face the 49ers as much as Cleveland so he is not an issue as often.
This sounds so Dale Arnold.

Even if you have NO intention of dealing JG to Cleveland you get them on line 2. You use your preferred league mouthpiece (Schefter?) to leak it leak wide JG discussions are happening. Get maybe yet another club (AZ).

You can still ship him to your desired spot (SF). But you can be DAMN sure the compensation would’ve far eclipsed a 2.
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This sounds so Dale Arnold.

Even if you have NO intention of dealing JG to Cleveland you get them on line 2. You use your preferred league mouthpiece (Schefter?) to leak it leak wide JG discussions are happening. Get maybe yet another club (AZ).

You can still ship him to your desired spot (SF). But you can be DAMN sure the compensation would’ve far eclipsed a 2.
you assume the compensation would be more. Someone who is in the know, schefter or the like, claims it was only a 2nd and a third.

I really think we are looking back and making decisions based more on what he did after the trade. Patsfan64 pointed out the number of players who looked similar and failed. People rather Draft an unknown than trade for a seems-like he is going to be good - and that I took that from Furia

I haven't listen to much Dale lately so if I agree it scares me.
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you assume the compensation would be more. Someone who is in the know, schefter or the like, claims it was only a 2nd and a third.

I really think we are looking back and making decisions based more on what he did after the trade. Patsfan64 pointed out the number of players who looked similar and failed. People rather Draft an unknown than trade for a seems-like he is going to be good - and that I took that from Furia

I haven't listen to much Dale lately so if I agree it scares me.
There’s no doubt his ability to grasp a difficult offense on the fly and his performance were unknowns that eventually bumped his worth significantly.
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There’s no doubt his ability to grasp a difficult offense on the fly and his performance were unknowns that eventually bumped his worth significantly.
we all thought we would get a 1st for Cassell but had to toss in Vrabel to get a 2nd for him because we Franchised him.


IMO Bill was afraid that would happen again and traded him once Tom looked like Gold again and the deadline approached.
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Nobody here was a bigger supporter of Jimmy G. than me. And, so far, it appears that I was right. He's that good.

However, he had to go. There is no way that you trade Brady in order to keep Jimmy and there was no way to keep both.

Not even Bill Belichick is iron-clad enough to get away with trading Tom Brady in this town.

The repercussions of such a move would be unfathomable, but you have to know they'd be really, really bad.

Belichick barely got away with moving Bledsoe and he had degenerated into a consistently terrible QB even before Mo Lewis. It took two years and a trophy for people to shut up about the whole thing and Bledsoe cooperated nicely by being mediocre in exile. There is no comparison possible between the two situations competitively speaking.

Try to imagine for a second what it would be like around here with Brady playing for, say, John Elway. Or choose your own scenario. The bottom line is that Belichick made the smart move.

We'll find a plan C.
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we all thought we would get a 1st for Cassell but had to toss in Vrabel to get a 2nd for him because we Franchised him.


IMO Bill was afraid that would happen again and traded him once Tom looked like Gold again and the deadline approached.
Still was irresponsible of him to not pit another team against SF and drive up the compensation.
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Still was irresponsible of him to not pit another team against SF and drive up the compensation.
attempt to drive up compensation and I agree

but I will stick with I am not sure it would have, at the time of the trade it was the 32-34th pick, the other teams would have had to go 1st (except Browns) and that is a heft leap seeing where Arizona is picking.
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Nobody here was a bigger supporter of Jimmy G. than me. And, so far, it appears that I was right. He's that good.

However, he had to go. There is no way that you trade Brady in order to keep Jimmy and there was no way to keep both.

Not even Bill Belichick is iron-clad enough to get away with trading Tom Brady in this town.

The repercussions of such a move would be unfathomable, but you have to know they'd be really, really bad.

Belichick barely got away with moving Bledsoe and he had degenerated into a consistently terrible QB even before Mo Lewis. It took two years and a trophy for people to shut up about the whole thing and Bledsoe cooperated nicely by being mediocre in exile. There is no comparison possible between the two situations competitively speaking.

Try to imagine for a second what it would be like around here with Brady playing for, say, John Elway. Or choose your own scenario. The bottom line is that Belichick made the smart move.

We'll find a plan C.
he made the move he had to make, not want to make.

Plan C is Kyle Lauletta
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attempt to drive up compensation and I agree

but I will stick with I am not sure it would have
All reports were Cleve tripping over their dick to get him.

AZ is an obvious void.

NYG.


The more the better.

I am 100% positive it gets to over a 2.
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attempt to drive up compensation and I agree

but I will stick with I am not sure it would have, at the time of the trade it was the 32-34th pick, the other teams would have had to go 1st (except Browns) and that is a heft leap seeing where Arizona is picking.
Maybe.

Or how about a 2 and 2 3s?

Or future picks escalated based off roster, starts, Pro Bowl, All Pro, SB?
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Brees was a high draft pick and starter for a number of years for the Chargers. They drafted Rivers after Brees suffered a shoulder injury (the same reason the 'fins went with Culpepper over Brees).
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Brees was a high draft pick and starter for a number of years for the Chargers. They drafted Rivers after Brees suffered a shoulder injury (the same reason the 'fins went with Culpepper over Brees).
Brees was established as a legit Starter who was released, a pro-bowl QB, Jimmy G started two games.

Rivers was a second year player when Brees got hurt in the final game of the season, a game he should not have been playing in.
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Nobody here was a bigger supporter of Jimmy G. than me. And, so far, it appears that I was right. He's that good.

However, he had to go. There is no way that you trade Brady in order to keep Jimmy and there was no way to keep both.

Not even Bill Belichick is iron-clad enough to get away with trading Tom Brady in this town.

The repercussions of such a move would be unfathomable, but you have to know they'd be really, really bad.

Belichick barely got away with moving Bledsoe and he had degenerated into a consistently terrible QB even before Mo Lewis. It took two years and a trophy for people to shut up about the whole thing and Bledsoe cooperated nicely by being mediocre in exile. There is no comparison possible between the two situations competitively speaking.

Try to imagine for a second what it would be like around here with Brady playing for, say, John Elway. Or choose your own scenario. The bottom line is that Belichick made the smart move.

We'll find a plan C.
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The thought of Brady going to another team and winning the superbowl would be devastating. Plus, its hard to move a guy who was ALL-Pro mvp that year, usually those are hung onto.
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