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Old 04-06-2020, 07:20 PM   #931
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Well unless each of these viruses are handled in the same manner its useless to compare death tolls.
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Yeah, stay at home orders every fucking winter, that would be fucking awesome for the economy.

Gee, why haven't we done this yet?
I think you missed my point. I've seen a few post at the beginning of this tread topic with a lot of people comparing this to the season flu death toll and again in the last few post. 24k-63k. The last figure I saw here for covid-19 had some down playing this down to around 84k now.
I believe were a little over 10k now with the "experts saying the next two weeks to be the 9/11 time. Even if we top out at 50k we've spent 3 weeks now with social distancing and stay at home orders to keep it at 50k. What do you think those numbers would look like had we just went about life as we do with the seasonal flu? Could they be double or triple that? Of coarse we don't know that yet and we probably won't for some time. I myself tend to think had we not done these things we would see a death toll many of us have never seen before. At the present rate of infection we've over whelmed the health care system as it is so we'd be more like Italy with Dr's playing god deciding who to try and save and who dies by themselves in some death staging area. We've a ways to go yet to get over the hump but we've not seen the last of this virus. Down the road when medicine and science get a
chance to crack a treatment or vaccine things won't have to be shut down.
So for now comparing the two is more apples to oranges

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OK Dr. Fauci is quoted on January 21st as saying the following.

“This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now,”


Then on February 29th he was interviewed on the Today Show

The key point starts at about 2:45, where he's asked if people should stop going to malls, be out in crowds, etc.

He says no and the web page has the following summary of whole interview.
Dr. Fauci on coronavirus fears: No need to change lifestyle yet
So, the person who is supposedly an expert on this topic is saying in January that it's not a major threat to the US and on February 29th that people don't need to do anything different, just who's advice was Trump ignoring?

So, if your suggestion that Trump was reckless in his behavior prior to the end of February, then one of the following is true.
  1. Fauci lied in both interviews, which means anything he says now should be called into question.
  2. Fauci isn't as knowledgeable as he's presented to be, which means absolutely anything he says now should be called into question.
  3. Fauci was wrong and/or didn't have enough data to give an accurate prediction and gave bad advice to Trump.

For the record, I'd go with the not enough data and so gave bad advice option.

It happens.
Did you happen to see last night covid-19 pep rally? Did you see trump pimping the anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine saying why not and how it couldn't hurt? Not true with certain conditions it can kill you. Anyway after
Trump finished and Dr Fauci stepped to the podium a reporter began to ask him his opinion on this drugs effectiveness and Trump cut off the reporter and refused to let Dr. Fauci answer the question. Its real obvious who is working the strings on these puppets. I think Trump controls it all including his medical experts. When they don't speak trump speak they seem to disappear from the pep rallies. Today I saw an interview with Fauci saying in preliminary test they have not shown any effectiveness against Covid-19. I've felt Fauci has been on thin ice with this task force team because he doesn't always seem to fall in line and i've noticed he's very calculated with his responses.
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Did you happen to see last night covid-19 pep rally? Did you see trump pimping the anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine saying why not and how it couldn't hurt? Not true with certain conditions it can kill you. Anyway after
Trump finished and Dr Fauci stepped to the podium a reporter began to ask him his opinion on this drugs effectiveness and Trump cut off the reporter and refused to let Dr. Fauci answer the question. Its real obvious who is working the strings on these puppets. I think Trump controls it all including his medical experts. When they don't speak trump speak they seem to disappear from the pep rallies. Today I saw an interview with Fauci saying in preliminary test they have not shown any effectiveness against Covid-19. I've felt Fauci has been on thin ice with this task force team because he doesn't always seem to fall in line and i've noticed he's very calculated with his responses.
What drug is considered most effective at fighting Covid-19 across the world?

Whoops. I forgot the link.

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As far as I know there isn't any known yet. The only thing right now is mitigation just what were doing. I believe they have started drawing plasma from covid-19 survivors to be used in transfusions for the antibodies these peoples immune systems have developed but this has just begun in a very limited basis. I believe this technique was previously used on ebola patients with some success.


didn't see your link till after i posted. I didn't see in that article any data on effectiveness rates only what Dr's. want to prescribe. Really didn't have any data or studies to conclude its effectiveness. Considered and proven are two entirely different things.

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As far as I know there isn't any known yet. The only thing right now is mitigation just what were doing. I believe they have started drawing plasma from covid-19 survivors to be used in transfusions for the antibodies these peoples immune systems have developed but this has just begun in a very limited basis. I believe this technique was previously used on ebola patients with some success.


didn't see your link till after i posted. I didn't see in that article any data on effectiveness rates only what Dr's. want to prescribe. Really didn't have any data or studies to conclude its effectiveness. Considered and proven are two entirely different things.
Correct.

We don't currently have the luxury of waiting for years-long, double blind studies to prove efficacy. What we have right now is word on the ground from actual physicians, worldwide, who believe in prescribing this medication.

Yet, instead of acknowledging this, you'd rather believe Fauci is some puppet and Trump some puppeteer. Even though evidence is abundantly to the contrary.

What Trump is "pimping" is nothing other than hope. Hydroxychloriquine is one possible solution to this problem. And it is not without merit.

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Correct.

We don't currently have the luxury of waiting for years-long, double blind studies to prove efficacy. What we have right now is word on the ground from actual physicians, worldwide, who believe in prescribing this medication.

Yet, instead of acknowledging this, you'd rather believe Fauci is some puppet and Trump some puppeteer. Even though evidence is abundantly to the contrary.

What Trump is "pimping" is nothing other than hope. Hydroxychloriquine is one possible solution to this problem. And it is not without merit.

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The link you sent said most of these Dr's are prescribing this to people who are the most seriously ill. I don't have a problem with that but given that there still should be some data as to its effectiveness with in that group. yet i didn't see anything? 5% 10 % 50% ???? Without any data how can you call that hope. There has to be some data out there even a short list so where is it? Some data even a small sample size would be hope instead of hot air.

Oh I'm sure Fauci is being censored I saw that last night with my own two eyes...weren't you watching that shit show called a briefing? Haven't any of you forever Trumpers been watching these clown shows? Just look at his administration its been a turn style with trumps main focus on loyalty not honesty. There's been more turn over in 3+ years than the NY subway Do you think Fauci wants to see a 30 year career destroyed by a president known for that very thing? Don't fool yourself Donnie's pulling all the strings and its as plain as the nose on ones face.

I heard him say he took over a system that the cupboard was bare and had a broken testing system that didn't work? How would the system he inherited
Have a testing system for a virus that has never been seen before? He just keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper every day. He doesn't know when to shut up.

Frankly I'm surprised the press hasn't just boycotted these useless briefings. Some of the major TV stations have stopped covering them and I don't know why the rest don't follow.
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Did you happen to see last night covid-19 pep rally? Did you see trump pimping the anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine saying why not and how it couldn't hurt? Not true with certain conditions it can kill you. Anyway after
Trump finished and Dr Fauci stepped to the podium a reporter began to ask him his opinion on this drugs effectiveness and Trump cut off the reporter and refused to let Dr. Fauci answer the question. Its real obvious who is working the strings on these puppets. I think Trump controls it all including his medical experts. When they don't speak trump speak they seem to disappear from the pep rallies. Today I saw an interview with Fauci saying in preliminary test they have not shown any effectiveness against Covid-19. I've felt Fauci has been on thin ice with this task force team because he doesn't always seem to fall in line and i've noticed he's very calculated with his responses.
You are so uninformed.

There’s multiple Drs in multiple countries - the first over in France that’s treated over 1000- with this drug having incredible success rates. There’s a house representative crediting Trump approving the drug and it saving her life.

It was on Hannity Tonite. Dr Oz is a regular lately and he’s cited the French Dr for weeks now.
You really should turn away from CNN once in a while.

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You are so uninformed.

There’s multiple Drs in multiple countries - the first over in France that’s treated over 1000- with this drug having incredible success rates. There’s a house representative crediting Trump approving the drug and it saving her life.

It was on Hannity Tonite. Dr Oz is a regular lately and he’s cited the French Dr for weeks now.
You really should turn away from CNN once in a while.

TDS.
This explains a lot the trump fellatio network.

So what are those incredible success rates....are they keeping them a secret?

Do you ever watch the nightly clown show/pep rallies or is your tv stuck on the Trump fellatio network?

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This explains a lot the trump fellatio network.

So what are those incredible success rates....are they keeping them a secret?

Do you ever watch the nightly clown show/pep rallies or is your tv stuck on the Trump fellatio network?
Do me a favor. If you contract Coronavirus, decline the chloroquine.
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Just a hunch...... google search came up empty on those "incredible success rates"?

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This explains a lot the trump fellatio network.

So what are those incredible success rates....are they keeping them a secret?

Do you ever watch the nightly clown show/pep rallies or is your tv stuck on the Trump fellatio network?
Not a secret.
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That was tough.

But, to his credit, Rachel Maddow isnít touting it. Instead, follow the money stupidity angle.
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