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Old 06-12-2016, 01:43 PM   #1
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Prayers to the people in Orlando so many killed or wounded and today someone caught with heavy weapons in LA..so much hate in the world
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Old 06-12-2016, 02:18 PM   #2
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Prayers to the people in Orlando so many killed or wounded and today someone caught with heavy weapons in LA..so much hate in the world
Ditto. Prayers to the victims and to the thousands of friends and family members devastated by their horrific, inexplicable loss.

Anything else I have to say you'll find in an alternative forum.

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Old 06-12-2016, 09:12 PM   #3
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Ditto. Prayers to the victims and to the thousands of friends and family members devastated by their horrific, inexplicable loss.

Anything else I have to say you'll find in an alternative forum.

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Do we have a "terrorist" forum?

While there is conversation in the "politics and religion" forum, it is much more that either of those.

I think it belongs in the main forum IMO.
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:10 PM   #4
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Just a shitty thing to read about. It used to be shocking to hear/read of this kind of thing, but not anymore. Seems to be just another story. And that is not good. Thoughts go out to the survivors and victim's families. This kind of thing is just another reason we moved to a town with less than 1000 people, and no stop lights. I really don't care for the masses anymore.
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It's a shame someone let there pure hatred for gay people. Led to the 50 dead 53 injuried . Im staying out of the political forum.
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It's a shame someone let there pure hatred for gay people. Led to the 50 dead 53 injuried . Im staying out of the political forum.
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His reason for killing them was they were gay. He targeted a gay nightclub. He pledged his loyalty to isis in the 911 call
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His reason for killing them was they were gay. He targeted a gay nightclub. He pledged his loyalty to isis in the 911 call
I don't want to offend anyone who thinks this is ok for this forum. I understand why folks feel that way. But this will be - is in fact- primarily the biggest political topic since the also tragic death of Trayvon Martin. Other than condolences what is there to say that doesn't sound in politics?

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I don't want to offend anyone who thinks this is ok for this forum. I understand why folks feel that way. But this will be - is in fact- primarily the biggest political topic since the also tragic dearth of Trayvon Martin. Other than condolences what is there to say that doesn't sound in politics?

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Agree! RIP victims, prayers for survivors and families.
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“Goodness” can be defined as that which moves us in the direction of harmonious coexistence, empathy and solidarity with others. The nature of evil, on the other hand, is to divide: people from people, humanity from the rest of nature. It is the function of evil to divide; to alienate people from each other and divide one country from another. The universe, this world and our own lives, are the stage for a ceaseless struggle between hatred and compassion, the destructive and constructive aspects of life. In the end, the evil over which we must triumph is the impulse toward hatred and destruction that resides in us all. We must stop attacking a people's faith because of the actions of a few sick people. I firmly believe that the mission of religion in the twenty-first century must be to contribute concretely to the peaceful coexistence of humankind. Religious faith can help foster a truly global understanding and restore the bonds between human hearts. In order to overcome our prejudices, we must constantly strive to develop the habit of looking at ourselves from the point of view of others. Realizing that all people have both good points and bad, in the end the important thing is to strive to combat our own inner obstinacy and narrow-mindedness.
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“Goodness” can be defined as that which moves us in the direction of harmonious coexistence, empathy and solidarity with others. The nature of evil, on the other hand, is to divide: people from people, humanity from the rest of nature. It is the function of evil to divide; to alienate people from each other and divide one country from another. The universe, this world and our own lives, are the stage for a ceaseless struggle between hatred and compassion, the destructive and constructive aspects of life. In the end, the evil over which we must triumph is the impulse toward hatred and destruction that resides in us all. We must stop attacking a people's faith because of the actions of a few sick people. I firmly believe that the mission of religion in the twenty-first century must be to contribute concretely to the peaceful coexistence of humankind. Religious faith can help foster a truly global understanding and restore the bonds between human hearts. In order to overcome our prejudices, we must constantly strive to develop the habit of looking at ourselves from the point of view of others. Realizing that all people have both good points and bad, in the end the important thing is to strive to combat our own inner obstinacy and narrow-mindedness.
It doesn't matter what the topic is about, the fanatics never consider the possibility that they could be wrong, or that the other side might have a point.

Another thing about fanatics, including (and especially) the ones on the opposite side of an argument, is that they tend to be the same type of people, with the main difference being who they hate.
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“Goodness” can be defined as that which moves us in the direction of harmonious coexistence, empathy and solidarity with others. The nature of evil, on the other hand, is to divide: people from people, humanity from the rest of nature. It is the function of evil to divide; to alienate people from each other and divide one country from another. The universe, this world and our own lives, are the stage for a ceaseless struggle between hatred and compassion, the destructive and constructive aspects of life. In the end, the evil over which we We must stop attacking a people's faith because of the actions of a few sick people. I firmly believe that the mission of religion in the twenty-first century must be to contribute concretely to the peaceful coexistence of humankind. Religious faith can help foster a truly global understanding and restore the bonds between human hearts. In order to overcome our prejudices, we must constantly strive to develop the habit of looking at ourselves from the point of view of others. Realizing that all people have both good points and bad, in the end the important thing is to strive to combat our own inner obstinacy and narrow-mindedness.
WADR (and I agree at the philosophical level) but my inner obstinacy and narrow-mindedness tells me that somehow we have to 1. Acknowledge that there is/are group/groups of monied and fanatical and totally committed terrorists who want me (and you if you're interested) dead: 2 We need to put a name to this enemy/enemies. If it's Isis call it that if it's Muslim call it that (I'm ok with radical Muslim as a name) and: 3. Form a long term plan with equal commitment to exterminate these enemies.

We cannot unilaterally accomplish your vision of world harmony.

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WADR (and I agree at the philosophical level) but my inner obstinacy and narrow-mindedness tells me that somehow we have to 1. Acknowledge that there is/are group/groups of monied and fanatical and totally committed terrorists who want me (and you if you're interested) dead: 2 We need to put a name to this enemy/enemies. If it's Isis call it that if it's Muslim call it that (I'm ok with radical Muslim as a name) and: 3. Form a long term plan with equal commitment to exterminate these enemies.

We cannot unilaterally accomplish your vision of world harmony.

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This is 100% correct IMO.
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I don't want to offend anyone who thinks this is ok for this forum. I understand why folks feel that way. But this will be - is in fact- primarily the biggest political topic since the also tragic death of Trayvon Martin. Other than condolences what is there to say that doesn't sound in politics?

Cheers
Unfortunately, this transcends the piece of this that is political and also the larger piece that is religious. This is national security. This is the biggest issue facing this country today. Maybe I am alone here in my thinking my this doesn't fit in the (relatively) narrow boxes of politics or religion.

As I type this, I find myself accusing myself of splitting hairs. Maybe a self defense response of the horror that is over 100 MILLION muslims that would like to kill you and I just for participating in the discussion. I probably fit into many of their "must be killed because of" lists....

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Unfortunately, this transcends the piece of this that is political and also the larger piece that is religious. This is national security. This is the biggest issue facing this country today. Maybe I am alone here in my thinking my this doesn't fit in the (relatively) narrow boxes of politics or religion.

As I type this, I find myself accusing myself of splitting hairs. Maybe a self defense response of the horror that is over 1 BILLION muslims that would like to kill you and I just for participating in the discussion. I probably fit into many of their "must be killed because of" lists....
While ideally this could be discussed on the main forum civilly, the fact is many have very strong opposing opinions that they get emotional about. The PP community decided that political debate should be away from the main forum so that a user can specifically choose to view it or not.

I have no problem with a thread like this being opened on the main forum, but as always, we will keep an eye on the discussion and move it if it seems appropriate based on what the community has tolerated in the past.
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