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Old 06-12-2018, 10:05 AM   #147
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Originally Posted by Jaric View Post
I understand what you're saying Moose. From a practical standpoint, if you're not changing what you eat as wellas how much of it you eat, it's incredibly unlikely you'll manage to stick to your calorie count no matter how disciplined you are. I'm of course assuming if you're that fat it's a result of eating a typical Western diet composed of mostly sugar, carbs, and processed foods. I'm also assuming that like everyone who counts calories, you aren't nearly as good at it as you like to think you (and the science backs that up).



You also have to take in to account the way your body reacts to the foods you eat. Sugar specifically is poison. I don't think that's hyperbole when you look into the impact it has on your endocrine system and all of the chronic health diseases it's responsible for.



So could you theoretically lose weight eating 2000 calories of sugar packets? Sure. But you're still gonna feel like shit, probably contract diabetes, and still have a heart attack.



Thing is, for most people if you're eating what you're supposed to eat and working out on a regular basis, you really don't need to count calories.


For sure but what youíre talking about is general health. My original comment related to CICO was strictly related to weight and body fat management. Itís entirely possible to be lean and unhealthy using something like CICO. Low body fat doesnít necessarily translate to health, so obviously CICO isnít mean to address all health concerns. But it can and will be the most effective tool for controlling weight and body composition.

Thereís a reason why pro bodybuilding (and powerlifers during cuts) almost always track their food. Some may be more precise than others and long time vets may not count in calories but have experience and knowledge to know how much food they need to eat each day to achieve their current goals. CICO is the foundation of almost any diet regime used by these guys, and it allows them to drop and gain double digits in weight multiple times during the year, at will. Iíve done it myself multiple times as well. Thereís a reason they do it and given itís basically their jobs to control their body weight, Iím keen to trust their results.

Now obviously thatís a bit different than your average Joe just wanting to sit in a healthy body fat range (letís say 12-16% for men). To achieve that he may just need to do some trial and error with food intake and will eventually find the balance to maintain that range, assuming heís already in it. If heís overweight then heíll need to shed fat and for that CICO is the obvious answer. Same with if he chooses to bulk.

I donít disagree with you at all regarding the limitations of CICO. What you eat can have a tremendous effect on how you feel and your overall health. But if we are talking strictly about weight loss/gain, the most important factor is CICO. You can do a lot of other things right but if you get CICO wrong and are eating at maintenance when you planned for a deficit (for example) you simply wonít hit your goals. If Iím are eating at a surplus, I simply canít lose weight/fat. Science is a bitch sometimes.


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