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Old 03-15-2017, 04:07 PM   #16
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Ok take the ifs out then. The point remains.

There are only 3 possibilities for that transcript to exist and be in possession of the Obama Administration and 2 are illegal. Yates herself claims she shared the transcript with Trump's Attorney and Trump ignored it. Her words I gave them the transcript and went over it with them explaining the real possibility of blackmail. The existence of the transcript without a warrant is evidence they had surveillance on the campaign. So either the intelligence agencies produce that warrant or the transcripts were illegally obtain and use against a US citizen. Now don't get me wrong I'm glad Flynn resigned but..... we have laws and protections granted in the constitution.
~Dee~
They were likely surveilling the Russians, suspected by everyone in Intellignece not sucking on their nuts ala the Trump administration of having interfered in our electoral process.

They likely picked up Flynn via that route.

Regardless, Flynn and the Trump team lied about the interactions. Why? I'm sure for no reason, whatsoever.

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Why would you want it to fade away and it should absolutely be investigated. With all the leaks I hope they do find the person or persons involved.
~Dee~
Because it is bullshit (IMO). Trump spurted out some stupid shit he 'heard' and threw it out there (just the latest in a long long list). It takes eyes off the ball (the ball right now is Trumpcare and investigations into Russia collusions). However, this time the hornets nest is stirred, and not just on the Dem's side. Some on the GOP are sick of this behavior.

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As for one of his audience. Im not, but I do want to get to the bottom of this. To date there is zero evidence of any collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, after 8 months of investigating. It's not illegal to speak to ambassadors of a foreign country Russia included.
~Dee~
Ah, but this is incorrect.
Trump's team has lied, and continues to lie about Russian contacts.
Flynn. Sessions. Carter. Manafort.
You can say that there's no crime against (non under-oath) lying. (Sessions may have lied about it under oath, in fact, in his confirmation). WHY keep doing it?
Factor in the provision entered into the GOP platform at the convention by Manafort assisting Russia with the re-annexation of Ukraine, the established interference in our election, and the multiple contacts (with attendant lies), and that is a ton of circumstantial evidence.

And we don't know what concrete evidence there might be- Graham and Whitehouse were trying to check with the FBI just today to make sure that when they start subpoenaing documents that they wouldn't step on a possible criminal investigation.

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As for one of his audience. Im not, but I do want to get to the bottom of this. To date there is zero evidence of any collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, after 8 months of investigating. It's not illegal to speak to ambassadors of a foreign country Russia included.

So if you feel there is no evidence of surveillance by the Obama Administration why not investigate it you've got nothing to lose. It's not his job to back it up, if it's part of an investigation he should absolutely not interfere. Then everyone is going to be yelling he colluded with the intelligence community.

No shiny objects but a lot of stuff that really needs looking into on both sides.

~Dee~
'Getting to the bottom of this,' until last Saturday's Tweetstorm, had nothing whatsoever to do with Obama. That was a bolt from the blue, completely without evidence, and serves nothing but to buy Trump a little time out of hot water. It is a total shiny object because it introduced something other than Trump and his admin/campaign to focus on.

However, this is fine. Trump has jacked the stakes up so high that it will be looked into.

I continue to believe that this is not what he really wanted, but it's too late now.



Also, if it turns out that Obama acted illegally- he should be held accountable.
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