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Patriots44 01-19-2015 12:53 PM

Maybe I missed it but what advantage would a deflated football give???

vertigho 01-19-2015 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ParanoidPatriot (Post 2200201)
You forgot that the NFL refs mark each ball and check them for the mark during the game.

So, how is it possible again?

The only plausible manner in which this could have happened is if, a.) a ball boy was instructed to let air out of the football, or b.) perhaps something was done at halftime...? I don't know by whom the footballs are handled at the half.

Both of those seem incredibly unlikely, and moreover, it would seem the issue was only with one football. Otherwise the officials would've removed/re-inflated more than the one they did.

mikiemo83 01-19-2015 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriots44 (Post 2200203)
Maybe I missed it but what advantage would a deflated football give???

only thing I could think is a softer ball would nestle gently into ones hands making the catch easier in the rain/cold. I remember playing in a league where an opposing team would do this because the QB had a cannon.

Patriots44 01-19-2015 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriots44 (Post 2200203)
Maybe I missed it but what advantage would a deflated football give???

just saw a video on SI that says it makes them easier to throw. (???)

vertigho 01-19-2015 01:03 PM

I'm reading now that the ball attendant is provided via the NFL, and is not a team employee.

Seems to be a lack of a decisive answer on this facet of the issue, but if true it would make deflating the balls nearly impossible.

HarpoonIPA 01-19-2015 01:05 PM

The Indy reporter was hoodwinked the only balls that were deflated were Gronk's at halftime during his romp in the sin bus

HarpoonIPA 01-19-2015 01:09 PM

Esiason Calls DeflateGate Sour Grapes: ‘Colts Got Their [Butt] Kicked’

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/01/1...r-butt-kicked/

Big/Sky/Fly 01-19-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dchester (Post 2200046)
My motto has always been, "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat".

I'm not seeing the problem.

:shrug:

Yup

Dwight Schrute 01-19-2015 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeweyTime (Post 2200189)
Sending a tweet out is not reporting. Reporting is being provided the information from the source and then researching to see how often this is done, what the actual rules are, what processes are in place, etc...

His tweet was attention grabbing sensationalism nothing more.

Exactly!

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Originally Posted by Patriots44 (Post 2200208)
just saw a video on SI that says it makes them easier to throw. (???)

And yet Rogers admittedly prefers them over inflated.

Beaglebay 01-19-2015 01:14 PM

Steve Palazzolo @PFF_Steve Follow The Patriots just traded six deflated footballs for two third-rounders and a conditional fifth

Big/Sky/Fly 01-19-2015 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve-o (Post 2200096)
Kravitz was just the first to report it, others have reported it, using their own NFL sources. Including NFL.com. Kravitz is not the source, only the messenger.

Here's the thing, folks, right now it's just a report. The NFL is investigating it. It was initiated by the NFL.

Y'all can poo poo it all you want, but if the NFL finds the Pats guilty, they will be punished. As they should.

As they deserved to be punished for Spygate.

Y'all can play the "errrybody hate us" card all you want, but if they're guilty, they're guilty.

:with:

AllWorldTE 01-19-2015 01:26 PM

The whole thing was weird. It was just after half-time. There was a delay for some reason which Simms and Nantz felt was due to the kicking ball still being in the game which they stated after the initial delay was over.

Anderson looks perturbed during the initial delay. Anderson gives the signal to start play, The ump (official number 124 Carl Paganelli) wipes and sets the ball, the Pats move to the line and then and only then does Anderson stop play to remove the ball.

If I were investigating this I'd take a few steps.

1. What was the reason for the initial delay? There was no commercial break after the half so they should have set the ball and been ready to go.

2. Paganelli held the offending football throughout the initial delay under a towel. Then he sets the ball after Anderson stated "let's go" several times while indicating the start of play. Then Anderson says something to Brady.

3. Paganelli sets the ball and backs off. Vereen goes in motion at which point Paganelli stops play. At the time play is stopped, the ball boy is already rushing another ball onto the field and Anderson is moving towards him to get it. The ball boy throw it to Anderson who does a quick squeeze and tosses it to Paganelli who exchanges the balls. He throws the offending ball to the side-judge.

4. This is when the idea that it was a kicking ball comes into play.

5. I'd interview Anderson, Paganelli, the side-judge, the ball boy handling the balls on the side-line and the ball boy handing the storage bag which holds the balls that are out of the rotation.

6. If this ball was deflated, the person who should have known was Paganelli as he was holding it for an extended period of time prior to setting it just after Anderson started play. He obviously didn't notice it. Wendell had barely touched it and hadn't indicated an issue so he wasn't the cause of the stoppage. Anderson started play so he apparently wasn't aware.

7. Yet play was stopped and the ball was exchanged. The ball boy was rushing another ball into play after Anderson signaled to start play and prior to his stopping play.

8. Did the ball boy call out to get Anderson's attention that there was a problem?

9. Did Anderson know there was an issue with the ball but there's some procedure about setting it prior to the play to show intent if the offense lines up with the bad ball in play? (Seems far fetched considering it's the official's job to insure proper balls are in play)

10. Was this really a kicking ball issue and the deflated ball thing happened at a different point in the game?

11. Why did the ball boy have to go get another ball and run it over to the officials if they were aware there was a problem prior to setting the bad ball? Shouldn't he be holding multiple balls or did he get screwed up with the kicking ball/regular ball exchange after the kick-off?

12. The entire sequence is weird. Why set the ball then stop play while the ball boy is running over with another ball?

13. Unfortunately CBS cut away a few times at points which may have shed some light on the subject such as:

14. Did Anderson check the offending ball at any time?

15. Where did the bad ball go? We see the linesman throw it to someone off camera? Who? What was done with it?

16. We don't see what happened to it. We see the ball boy reach into the storage bag for a replacement but we don't see his hand come out and we don;t see what happens to the offending ball.

17. Hopefully the game film shows us more clearly what took place during this sequence of events.

AllWorldTE 01-19-2015 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriots44 (Post 2200208)
just saw a video on SI that says it makes them easier to throw. (???)

True but I've not noticed Brady having any difficulty throwing a football in the past.

PatrietteAz 01-19-2015 01:33 PM

"this is all the ball boys fault " Peyton Manning

Claremonster 01-19-2015 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PatrietteAz (Post 2200223)
"this is all the ball boys fault " Peyton Manning


"...who was liquored-up, by the way."


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