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KrustyTheClown 01-21-2015 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imapig (Post 2201721)
Irsay had this in his back pocket since week 11. He knows all teams doctored footballs, but he also knew the Pats are the only team that will be looked at as the worst cheaters, and repeat offenders. This is nothing more than a smear campaign to ruin a great franchise, Head Coach, and QB. Its despicable that a drug induced weasle snake Piece of shit like Irsay gets more latitude than the Best owner in football. If there is a suspension then I will be disgusted, but I will also be more determine to back my team even more. I will not let my TEAM down due to a petty witch hunt.

Not so sure about his back pocket, but it seems something fishy was going on in November also.....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...with-patriots/

The NFL probably warned them (via spygate) but they were to arrogant (or stupid) to heed.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploa...n-Chin-Rub.gif

Dwight Schrute 01-21-2015 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarpoonIPA (Post 2201747)
The point is, no one got caught but the Patriots
so it really doesn't matter if any other teams do it, the Patriots were caught

Worse.

Other teams and players admitted to it. Johnson paid $7500 of his own dough to do it prior to TBs SB. And he's bragged about it!

WhiteWesWelker 01-21-2015 02:53 PM

This is what Brandon Browner just tweeted:


Quote:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>For my 2cents Blount scored 3 rushing touchdowns. He could've carried a beach ball. Also doesn't hurt we only gave up 7 points <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/inflatethis?src=hash">#inflatethis</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Browner (@bbrowner27) <a href="https://twitter.com/bbrowner27/status/557985866149527552">January 21, 2015</a></blockquote>
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O.Z.O. 01-21-2015 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkPatsFan (Post 2201757)
Did anyone else happen to notice how much more efficient the offense was in the 2nd half? Tom sure threw a lot of wobbly passes too. Any footballs that were low on air pressure would have been re-inflated to the proper psi once they were discovered.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...ed-at-halftime

Now why would you want to go and destroy a good witch hunt by posting something like this...:sulk:

imapig 01-21-2015 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWesWelker (Post 2201762)
This is what Brandon Browner just tweeted:

I love the inflate this part...ROFL

AkPatsFan 01-21-2015 03:07 PM

And did the NFL check to see if the footballs Indy were using had lost pressure too? I bet not.

HomelessJoe 01-21-2015 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkPatsFan (Post 2201757)
Did anyone else happen to notice how much more efficient the offense was in the 2nd half? Tom sure threw a lot of wobbly passes too. Any footballs that were low on air pressure would have been re-inflated to the proper psi once they were discovered.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...ed-at-halftime

Pats were obviously trying to put themselves at a disadvantage just to make the game interesting.

O.Z.O. 01-21-2015 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkPatsFan (Post 2201769)
And did the NFL check to see if the footballs Indy were using had lost pressure too? I bet not.

No word anywhere on this. Of course, some of the CHEATRIOT!!! parrots have insisted that they did, but can't provide supporting evidence to that claim.

O.Z.O. 01-21-2015 03:10 PM

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Pneumonic 01-21-2015 03:13 PM

You know all of this is kinda like the old days when the mates and I would scurry home from class, smoke a few, and watch "Days of our Lives" popcorn

Newbologist 01-21-2015 03:15 PM

Man I really hope the Pats win this damn game, bad enough that idiots will still say that they cheated to win but losing another bowl on top of this shit?

king of kings 01-21-2015 03:18 PM

So Shannon sharp wants a million dollar fine , a first round pick taking away. BB suspended for the year ROFL.

Dwight Schrute 01-21-2015 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneumonic (Post 2201777)
You know all of this is kinda like the old days when the mates and I would scurry home from class, smoke a few, and watch "Days of our Lives" popcorn

I can honestly say I never scurried for a soap opera.

Dwight Schrute 01-21-2015 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king of kings (Post 2201781)
So Shannon sharp wants a million dollar fine , a first round pick taking away. BB suspended for the year ROFL.

I want the planet Pluto.

Can't really do anything with it, but I'm thinking long term. Looks awesome in my portfolio. Holy chit! You own a planet?!?!

Jammer 01-21-2015 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king of kings (Post 2201781)
So Shannon sharp wants a million dollar fine , a first round pick taking away. BB suspended for the year ROFL.

+ 2 yr on HBO hard knox! :)

Jammer 01-21-2015 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jammer (Post 2201784)
+ 2 yr on HBO hard knox! :)

BB will be suspended.... how long? who knows?

repeated offender...

Dwight Schrute 01-21-2015 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jammer (Post 2201784)
+ 2 yr on HBO hard knox! :)

Hard Knocks.

Rosetta fail!

Back to work!

O.Z.O. 01-21-2015 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute (Post 2201782)
I can honestly say I never scurried for a soap opera.

Men should NEVER scurry...

TommyD420 01-21-2015 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jammer (Post 2201784)
+ 2 yr on HBO hard knox! :)

The Chargers wanted to be on Hard Knocks, but HBO said no. The ratings would be too low, because no one gives a shit about the team. :coffee:

TommyD420 01-21-2015 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jammer (Post 2201785)
BB will be suspended.... how long? who knows?

repeated offender...

Quoting your own posts now, Froggy?

DeweyTime 01-21-2015 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyD420 (Post 2201788)
The Chargers wanted to be on Hard Knocks, but HBO said no. The ratings would be too low, because no one gives a shit about the team. :coffee:

Neither does Jammer. :coffee:

HSanders 01-21-2015 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king of kings (Post 2201781)
So Shannon sharp wants a million dollar fine , a first round pick taking away. BB suspended for the year ROFL.

Is anyone EVER gonna ask these holier than thou Denver salary cap cheating players if they are forfeiting THEIR rings? THEY got an unprecedented penalty for cheating the cap too.

Claremonster 01-21-2015 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyD420 (Post 2201788)
The Chargers wanted to be on Hard Knocks, but HBO said no. The ratings would be too low, because no one gives a shit about the team. :coffee:

I remember those guys. Didn't they used to make the playoffs sometimes? Whatever happened to that team? They still around?

Jammer 01-21-2015 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyD420 (Post 2201788)
The Chargers wanted to be on Hard Knocks, but HBO said no. The ratings would be too low, because no one gives a shit about the team. :coffee:

BB would go crazy on hard knox :)

Pneumonic 01-21-2015 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute (Post 2201782)
I can honestly say I never scurried for a soap opera.

I''ll be honest ... initially this was done because we were told by our housefather that that soaps were the perfect conduit to get the babes back and smoking with us. After awhile, most of us got hooked on them.

O.Z.O. 01-21-2015 03:33 PM

Anybody remember this classic-

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/79...appeals-denied

probably just another case of #nobodygivesashitbecausetheteamssuck

The Hoodie 01-21-2015 03:36 PM

How can Belichick be suspended, fired, fined, or lose a draft pick when, you know, they haven't figured out how or who deflated the damned balls?!

TheBostonJay 01-21-2015 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hoodie (Post 2201804)
How can Belichick be suspended, fired, fined, or lose a draft pick when, you know, they haven't figured out how or who deflated the damned balls?!

You have an incompetent moron in charge.. just a reminder.

TommyD420 01-21-2015 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hoodie (Post 2201804)
How can Belichick be suspended, fired, fined, or lose a draft pick when, you know, they haven't figured out how or who deflated the damned balls?!

Psh. Like that matters anymore.

Pneumonic 01-21-2015 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hoodie (Post 2201804)
How can Belichick be suspended, fired, fined, or lose a draft pick when, you know, they haven't figured out how or who deflated the damned balls?!

Last I heard the league has contracted out a firm that specializes in DNA testing and they are analyzing saliva remnants found inside the ball's needle point.

No early odds out of Vegas yet but word is the bookies are expecting that Irsay is the early fav to be positively ID'd as the culprit.

PatsFanLisa 01-21-2015 03:47 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...is-nothing-new

Jason comes up with a decent article.

HSanders 01-21-2015 03:56 PM

Nice find, PFL.

BrownerBlvd 01-21-2015 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king of kings (Post 2201781)
So Shannon sharp wants a million dollar fine , a first round pick taking away. BB suspended for the year ROFL.

Smells like hate.... Retarded hate

jetophile 01-21-2015 03:58 PM

I doubt anything significant comes of this, but still funny. It just adds to the cloud of suspicion that this organization will never be able to get away from.

Jammer 01-21-2015 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetophile (Post 2201834)
I doubt anything significant comes of this, but still funny. It just adds to the cloud of suspicion that this organization will never be able to get away from.

soon, BB and Brady will retired...

Spentcartridge 01-21-2015 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jammer (Post 2201836)
soon, BB and Brady will retired...

BB will die on the job. :moss:

O.Z.O. 01-21-2015 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetophile (Post 2201834)
I doubt anything significant comes of this, but still funny. It just adds to the cloud of suspicion that this organization will never be able to get away from.

you mean like the suspicion that the Jets are not a real NFL team.

...btw, your clown organization just had tampering charges filed against it, so maybe you should...oh, I don't know...STFU??

TommyD420 01-21-2015 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jammer (Post 2201836)
soon, BB and Brady will retired...

And the Chargers and Jets will still suck. :coffee:

NSPatsFan 01-21-2015 04:04 PM

#TheyHateUsCuzTheyAintUs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jammer (Post 2201836)
soon, BB and Brady will retired...

I love when trolls don't use proper grammar.

The Hoodie 01-21-2015 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.Z.O. (Post 2201838)
you mean like the suspicion that the Jets are not a real NFL team.

...btw, your clown organization just had tampering charges filed against it, so maybe you should...oh, I don't know...STFU??

He's not wrong, though. Deflategate has picked up a lot of steam, as we've seen, and it has only added itself to the "Patriots Cheat" sentiment. That's what he was saying, and he's right, it's inescapable. Just gotta deal with it.

Speaking of the Jets tampering charges, I haven't heard a word about that. Hm...

Pneumonic 01-21-2015 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NSPatsFan (Post 2201841)
#TheyHateUsCuzTheyAintUs

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I love when trolls don't use proper grammar.

This is some awesomeness of the very highest order. Thanks. :toast:

Joe 01-21-2015 04:13 PM

I was wondering who we'd face in Week 1 if we won the Super Bowl. Can bet your bottom dollar it's Indy now ROFL

TommyD420 01-21-2015 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe (Post 2201846)
I was wondering who we'd face in Week 1 if we won the Super Bowl. Can bet your bottom dollar it's Indy now ROFL

It'd be nice to start off 1-0. :coffee:

NSPatsFan 01-21-2015 04:16 PM

God, even Mike Reiss is against us now...

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...ld-accountable

All I wanted was to enjoy a friggin trip to the Super Bowl...

O.Z.O. 01-21-2015 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hoodie (Post 2201842)
He's not wrong, though. Deflategate has picked up a lot of steam, as we've seen, and it has only added itself to the "Patriots Cheat" sentiment. That's what he was saying, and he's right, it's inescapable. Just gotta deal with it.

Speaking of the Jets tampering charges, I haven't heard a word about that. Hm...

I know what he's saying...but people that live in glass outhouses shouldn't throw stones

as far as tampering charges-

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-jets/related/

http://www.newsday.com/sports/footba...arks-1.9820198

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...180316197.html

http://nypost.com/2015/01/18/tamperi...evis-comments/


...now you've heard...

Grumpy_Bottom 01-21-2015 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king of kings (Post 2201781)
So Shannon sharp wants a million dollar fine , a first round pick taking away. BB suspended for the year ROFL.

in fairness to Sharpe, there is no possible way anyone can be 100% sure this is what he actually said. :facepalm:

The Hoodie 01-21-2015 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NSPatsFan (Post 2201848)
God, even Mike Reiss is against us now...

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...ld-accountable

All I wanted was to enjoy a friggin trip to the Super Bowl...

I didn't get that vibe. More like "if they are found that they deflated them, they should be punished". :shrug:

Defsoul 01-21-2015 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hoodie (Post 2201842)
He's not wrong, though. Deflategate has picked up a lot of steam, as we've seen, and it has only added itself to the "Patriots Cheat" sentiment. That's what he was saying, and he's right, it's inescapable. Just gotta deal with it.

Speaking of the Jets tampering charges, I haven't heard a word about that. Hm...

Reports came out on Sunday that charges have been filed: See: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-revis-comment

And here: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...-new-york-jets

Or here: http://nypost.com/2015/01/18/tamperi...evis-comments/

The Hoodie 01-21-2015 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defsoul (Post 2201852)

Yeah, I misspoke. I knew that charges were filed but I was wondering if there were any other developments in that case. My bad, guys.

anderson 01-21-2015 04:21 PM

Absolutely we should be held responsible if it's found out that we tried to cheat with those balls.
Absolutely the punishment for a marginal advantage cheat shouldn't be loss of first round pick, suspension of coach for a year and a million dollars worth of fines. Absolutely not.

O.Z.O. 01-21-2015 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defsoul (Post 2201852)

Once again, #nobodygivesashitbecauseitsthejets

NSPatsFan 01-21-2015 04:32 PM

Probably like someone said earlier Irsay had this in his back pocket from earlier in the season and was going to use it if we won knowing it'd make the 2 week pre Super Bowl period miserable for the franchise and its fans.

If that is true I hope he burns in Hell for all eternity.

O.Z.O. 01-21-2015 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NSPatsFan (Post 2201859)
Probably like someone said earlier Irsay had this in his back pocket from earlier in the season and was going to use it if we won knowing it'd make the 2 week pre Super Bowl period miserable for the franchise and its fans.

If that is true I hope he burns in Hell for all eternity.

Think there's already a pretty good chance of that happening.

PatsFanLisa 01-21-2015 04:37 PM

It's possible this was already posted. If not, gotta tell y'all, I haven't laughed this hard in days. Hilarious read.

http://deadspin.com/the-ballghazi-ta...nsa-1680877948

TheBostonJay 01-21-2015 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkPatsFan (Post 2201757)
Did anyone else happen to notice how much more efficient the offense was in the 2nd half? Tom sure threw a lot of wobbly passes too. Any footballs that were low on air pressure would have been re-inflated to the proper psi once they were discovered.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...ed-at-halftime

Quote:

Team spokesman Stacey James confirmed to WEEI.com that the team had 24 footballs available, 12 of which were tested by the officials pregame and another dozen stored inside as backups.

After the officials found that the majority of the balls used in the first half were below the acceptable PSI as mandated by the NFL, the backup balls were brought in. According to the source, the backup balls were tested and found to be at the correct levels, and subsequently put into play — just barely in time, as the second half already had started by the time the testing was completed. This is why the officials stopped play and swapped out the kicking ball on the first play from scrimmage of the second half.
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/...medium=twitter

Annihilus 01-21-2015 04:45 PM

Colts’ Dwayne Allen: Patriots Could’ve ‘Played With Soap For Balls And Beat Us’

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/01/colts-dwayne...s-and-beat-us/

ROFL

Jaric 01-21-2015 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Annihilus (Post 2201864)
Colts’ Dwayne Allen: Patriots Could’ve ‘Played With Soap For Balls And Beat Us’

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/01/colts-dwayne...s-and-beat-us/

ROFL

Our punter had a slightly different take...

@PatMcAfeeShow: If New England was to be DQ'd.. We'd be their replacements right??... I should probably lay off these strawberry margs

https://twitter.com/patmcafeeshow/st...64170318614530

Joe 01-21-2015 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaric (Post 2201865)
Our punter had a slightly different take...

@PatMcAfeeShow: If New England was to be DQ'd.. We'd be their replacements right??... I should probably lay off these strawberry margs

https://twitter.com/patmcafeeshow/st...64170318614530

That one had me laughing

TommyD420 01-21-2015 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaric (Post 2201865)
Our punter had a slightly different take...

@PatMcAfeeShow: If New England was to be DQ'd.. We'd be their replacements right??... I should probably lay off these strawberry margs

https://twitter.com/patmcafeeshow/st...64170318614530

Hardest working punter in the business. ROFL

Ryan91 01-21-2015 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NSPatsFan (Post 2201841)
#TheyHateUsCuzTheyAintUs

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I love when trolls don't use proper grammar.

I ****ing love Fitzy!

Spentcartridge 01-21-2015 05:00 PM

I can feel the hate and envy dripping from this piece::celebrate:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/patr...ties-sanctions

anderson 01-21-2015 05:08 PM

Unless the NFL can find incontrovertible evidence that someone with the Patriots ordered air taken out of footballs Sunday in Foxboro, it’s more likely than not that commissioner Roger Goodell will defer ruling on the case until after the Super Bowl. Absent clear proof in the next few days that the Patriots cheated, there’s a simple reason: There is no rush. If Goodell decides that part of the sanction would be taking draft picks from the Patriots, the draft comes 12-and-a-half weeks after the Super Bowl, giving the league time after the season to investigate more thoroughly, particularly if that investigation does not have a clear conclusion by, say, this Friday. And it’s hugely important to the league to make the right decision here, not a more expeditious one.



Regarding the off-with-their-heads reaction: It’s too early to say what the league might do in this case. But I do know this: This has set off alarm bells inside the NFL’s Park Avenue offices in Manhattan. All hands are on deck, and there is an urgency about doing this investigation right, for the obvious right reasons about the integrity of the rules and a secondary reason: The NFL doesn’t want to risk botching this investigation and issuing a ruling it later has to amend, as happened in the Ray Rice case.

NSPatsFan 01-21-2015 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NSPatsFan (Post 2201502)
Dude by the name of Matt Johnson on the PFW in Progress facebook page posted about this.

He called in to the show, you can hear his call at 48:28

http://www.patriots.com/media-center...0-2e4a4aebf5f2

anderson 01-21-2015 05:29 PM

Would need to have the Colts balls measured to provide a reference, tbh.

Spentcartridge 01-21-2015 05:38 PM

Yahoo has a bunch of click bait on this topic. Mr. Smith SR. is the topic of one of these.
I won't give 'em my clicks though.....

ParanoidPatriot 01-21-2015 05:39 PM

So I was thinking while on a long drive today.

Wasn't it "Mort", who came out with the story earlier in the season about a big riff between TFB and BB? turned out not to bbe true.

imapig 01-21-2015 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParanoidPatriot (Post 2201886)
So I was thinking while on a long drive today.

Wasn't it "Mort", who came out with the story earlier in the season about a big riff between TFB and BB? turned out not to bbe true.

yep. i never liked that snivelling weasle...

Spentcartridge 01-21-2015 05:42 PM

"Stephen A. Smith 'Devastated' By Patriots' 'DeflateGate' Controversy"
New England Sports Network

Too juicy. Soooooo devastating. Oh me oh my! What is one to do? TSK, tsk......


How about this one:

How serious is deflate-gate? Yahoo Sports does its own ball-deflating test.

Through a straw?

deec77 01-21-2015 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anderson (Post 2201883)
Would need to have the Colts balls measured to provide a reference, tbh.

The league should have that as by rule the refs are suppose to test the balls throughout the game including again during halftime. Which is interesting as apparently that info hasn't been leaked. If the Colts balls never lost any air you would have assumed that would be all over the Internet.

~Dee~
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WhiteWesWelker 01-21-2015 05:47 PM

As a diehard pats fan, I'll admit, I'm biased. However, I think that if the Patriots really did deflate the balls, even after they had complaints filed against them earlier in the year, then they royally ****ed up. It's disappointing as a fan because I know, and many of you know, that they didn't need to do that to beat the Colts, or any other team for that matter.

If the Patriots are found guilty of this, I can't help but feel like there are going to be severe consequences from the NFL, and I think that Robert Kraft is going to come down on BB pretty hard.

I truly hope this is all hoopla, and that the media blew it out of proportion, but as of now it doesn't look good.

NSPatsFan 01-21-2015 05:49 PM

Yeah, Stephen A Smith said BB should be banned for all of next year if this is true... ugh...

WhiteWesWelker 01-21-2015 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NSPatsFan (Post 2201892)
Yeah, Stephen A Smith said BB should be banned for all of next year if this is true... ugh...

He won't be suspended for a year by the league, but he will be fined again, and draft picks will be revoked.

I'm more worried about Kraft coming down on him. Kraft was PISSED about spygate. If BB did this for a second time, under his nose, it doesn't bode well for Bill.

Big/Sky/Fly 01-21-2015 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NSPatsFan (Post 2201892)
Yeah, Stephen A Smith said BB should be banned for all of next year if this is true... ugh...

Yes, since deflating a ball makes you a ****ing supastud instantly! :rolleyes:

WGAF?

Roberto71 01-21-2015 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWesWelker (Post 2201891)
As a diehard pats fan, I'll admit, I'm biased. However, I think that if the Patriots really did deflate the balls, even after they had complaints filed against them earlier in the year, then they royally ****ed up. It's disappointing as a fan because I know, and many of you know, that they didn't need to do that to beat the Colts, or any other team for that matter.

If the Patriots are found guilty of this, I can't help but feel like there are going to be severe consequences from the NFL, and I think that Robert Kraft is going to come down on BB pretty hard.

I truly hope this is all hoopla, and that the media blew it out of proportion, but as of now it doesn't look good.

It doesn't look good because an army of fans and media people who can't stand BB and the Patriots are lapping this up and churning it out. Look at Rosenbergs article for God sake, it was an absolute disgrace.

For anything serious to be sanctioned there would have to be clear evidence that somebody in the organisation, BB, Josh, the equipment manager etc directed this to happen. They would need someone in the Pats organisation to step forward and say yes, I did this, either on my own or because BB, Tom etc. Told me to.

We are in an age of social media where everything gets hysterical and momentum builds very often on the flimsiest of evidence.

There has to be proof that a clear directive was given to the ball handlers to deflate the footballs.

There won't be, there was no directive to do this as it's illogical and serves no purpose. It's just mana from heaven for the usual suspects.

Nothing will happen and the usual ****wits will bleat and moan but what's new???

Spentcartridge 01-21-2015 05:57 PM

I can't see how any of this will drive a wedge between BB and Kraft. together these guys are a gold mine. And really how can the NFL impose any kind of punishment when every team has been doing the same for decades?
A good way to staunch the bleeding for the NFL is to claim the Rules committee will do an evaluation in the off season.Blah,blah, and blah.

anderson 01-21-2015 05:59 PM

If it came out that BB ordered someone to deflate the footballs, then sure, suspend him.

PatsFanLisa 01-21-2015 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spentcartridge (Post 2201896)
I can't see how any of this will drive a wedge between BB and Kraft. together these guys are a gold mine. And really how can the NFL impose any kind of punishment when every team has been doing the same for decades?
A good way to staunch the bleeding for the NFL is to claim the Rules committee will do an evaluation in the off season.Blah,blah, and blah.

The same could be said of the camera debacle. Everyone was doing it. We got caught breaking a rule.

Roberto71 01-21-2015 06:05 PM

Jason LaConfora making a lot of sense.....interviews a former Pats equipment guy....

I spoke to someone who is very familiar with the Pats practice and game-day handling of their game balls -- someone no longer a member of the organization who has no stake in the outcome of this investigation one way or another -- who was adamant that there had never been any sort of protocol about deflating balls in the rain or certain conditions.

"We would practice in the rain, Bill would throw water on dry balls during practice
and there was never anything done to deflate them because of it being wet," the former Patriot said. "That doesn't even make any sense. As anal as Tom is about the balls, there's no way he'd let some ball boy or whatever try to deflate it to a certain PSI.

"Tom knows a football, and the way he wants it, like you or I would know a kid. But there was never anything deflating or doctoring balls during a game. He knows how he wants the ball going into a game and he's not going to take any chances of someone else messing around with a ball to get it right. As anal as he is about the way he wants the balls to be, he's not going to able to tell the difference of 1psi or whatever.

"I'm just telling you, that's not how it works. He wants those balls to be right going into the game. But D'Qwell Jackson could tell after he intercepts a ball and is running to the sidelines? It just doesn't add up to me."


I would implore Pats fans, Read the entire article.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...nfora/24982082

DeweyTime 01-21-2015 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanLisa (Post 2201900)
The same could be said of the camera debacle. Everyone was doing it. We got caught breaking a rule.

Cheating Cheaters who Cheat caught Cheetos handed!

Big/Sky/Fly 01-21-2015 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Roberto71 (Post 2201903)
Jason LaConfora making a lot of sense.....interviews a former Pats equipment guy....

I spoke to someone who is very familiar with the Pats practice and game-day handling of their game balls -- someone no longer a member of the organization who has no stake in the outcome of this investigation one way or another -- who was adamant that there had never been any sort of protocol about deflating balls in the rain or certain conditions.

"We would practice in the rain, Bill would throw water on dry balls during practice
and there was never anything done to deflate them because of it being wet," the former Patriot said. "That doesn't even make any sense. As anal as Tom is about the balls, there's no way he'd let some ball boy or whatever try to deflate it to a certain PSI.

"Tom knows a football, and the way he wants it, like you or I would know a kid. But there was never anything deflating or doctoring balls during a game. He knows how he wants the ball going into a game and he's not going to take any chances of someone else messing around with a ball to get it right. As anal as he is about the way he wants the balls to be, he's not going to able to tell the difference of 1psi or whatever.

"I'm just telling you, that's not how it works. He wants those balls to be right going into the game. But D'Qwell Jackson could tell after he intercepts a ball and is running to the sidelines? It just doesn't add up to me."


I would implore Pats fans, Read the entire article.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...nfora/24982082

Sounds like a witch hunt imo...

Big/Sky/Fly 01-21-2015 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NSPatsFan (Post 2201841)
#TheyHateUsCuzTheyAintUs

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I love when trolls don't use proper grammar.

Good stuff...

mikiemo83 01-21-2015 06:19 PM

Deflated ball is harder to throw a spiral and will lose length, explains the int, but is easier to hand-off and run with.

imapig 01-21-2015 06:20 PM

I keep hearing if BB is guilty Suspend him...Bull fvcking shit!!!!!!! this is the equivelant of getting caught not wearing your seatbelt... The haters are making a mountain out of a mole hill.... This is far less severe than than spygate. This is a case of jealous haters trying to weaken the best franchise in the buisness because they are sick of sucking..

Ray Crittenden 01-21-2015 06:26 PM

I really hope the pats did deflate the balls - who cares????? This is the most ridiculous "controversy" of all time. Are we really making this big a deal of the proper amount of air in a football? I've never in my life heard of anyone caring about such a thing. Proof being that the discussion nantz and Simms had during the packers - pats game. IT WAS LAUGHED OFF THAT RODGERS WANTED TO TEST THE REFS AND SEE IF THEY WOULD CATCH HOW OVERINFLATED THEIR BALLS WERE. What more evidence do you need? This is nothing more than 31 other fan bases reacting to their jealousy of the Patriots. How is this any different than the Dolphins not covering the field during a rainstorm? Or Rodgers overinflated balls? Or the colts pumping in crowd noise? It's all gamesmanship and this country has gotten SOFT. And jealous of success. I hope we wipe the Seahawks out 48-0. Ugh.

anderson 01-21-2015 06:30 PM

It does seem a bit odd that Brady wouldn't notice that the balls were a full 2 psi below normal given how anal he is in his preparation.

Jaric 01-21-2015 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Crittenden (Post 2201919)
I really hope the pats did deflate the balls - who cares????? This is the most ridiculous "controversy" of all time. Are we really making this big a deal of the proper amount of air in a football? I've never in my life heard of anyone caring about such a thing. Proof being that the discussion nantz and Simms had during the packers - pats game. IT WAS LAUGHED OFF THAT RODGERS WANTED TO TEST THE REFS AND SEE IF THEY WOULD CATCH HOW OVERINFLATED THEIR BALLS WERE. What more evidence do you need? This is nothing more than 31 other fan bases reacting to their jealousy of the Patriots. How is this any different than the Dolphins not covering the field during a rainstorm? Or Rodgers overinflated balls? Or the colts pumping in crowd noise? It's all gamesmanship and this country has gotten SOFT. And jealous of success. I hope we wipe the Seahawks out 48-0. Ugh.

Well, the investigation into the crowd noise nonsense cleared us of all wrong doing while your current investigation is still ongoing.

So thats kind of a big difference (for the moment at least, you may also end up being cleared of all wrong doing. If that happens they'll be pretty much exactly the same.)

Jaric 01-21-2015 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by anderson (Post 2201922)
It does seem a bit odd that Brady wouldn't notice that the balls were a full 2 psi below normal given how anal he is in his preparation.

Maybe he's been working out his hands recently and just assumed the give on the ball was due to increased manliness?

AkPatsFan 01-21-2015 06:35 PM

This won't be forgotten by anyone, even if the Pats are fully exonerated from this stupidity, other teams fans will still hate them and us.

This is what we have to deal with as Pats fans and I'm fine with that.

imapig 01-21-2015 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaric (Post 2201924)
Maybe he's been working out his hands recently and just assumed the give on the ball was due to increased manliness?

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Hawg73 01-21-2015 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AkPatsFan (Post 2201757)
Did anyone else happen to notice how much more efficient the offense was in the 2nd half? Tom sure threw a lot of wobbly passes too. Any footballs that were low on air pressure would have been re-inflated to the proper psi once they were discovered.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...ed-at-halftime

I don't want to say Brady played badly, because he was solid all day, but in my opinion he had two TD passes there for the taking and missed them by a wide margin.

The first was when they split Vereen out wide left and the Colts covered him with LB Freeman. Vereen had him beat bad and he had to swim back to the ball to make a great catch. There was nobody behind him at all. Should have been a TD.

Same deal with Edelman making a circus catch over the middle. He was wiiiide open and end zone bound with a decent throw, but it was way short.

Again, everybody misses a few, but we might not get many opportunities against Seattle. Brady needs to be extremely accurate against those guys under what should be perfect conditions to throw.

Ray Crittenden 01-21-2015 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaric (Post 2201923)
Well, the investigation into the crowd noise nonsense cleared us of all wrong doing while your current investigation is still ongoing.

So thats kind of a big difference (for the moment at least, you may also end up being cleared of all wrong doing. If that happens they'll be pretty much exactly the same.)

But I wouldnt care if the colts pumped in crowd noise - to me it's just gamesmanship. Cheating to me would be more like paying off a ref or sabatoging another teams equipment

Jaric 01-21-2015 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by imapig (Post 2201929)
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You almost feel bad for Tom. Here he thought he was hulking out on some pigskin when he actually was a victim of (alleged) malfeasance. That probably explains why he sounded so upset when it was brought up to him.

imapig 01-21-2015 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AkPatsFan (Post 2201928)
This won't be forgotten by anyone, even if the Pats are fully exonerated from this stupidity, other teams fans will still hate them and us.

This is what we have to deal with as Pats fans.

So basically it will be status quo... If I recall correctly everytime I went on to read story of the Pats you had a million DB's in comment section crying spygate this ********* that, and so forth... We were hated Sunday and if we get exonerated from this it will call many of the haters to have apoplectic fits and I hope we do because the egg on a haters face is sweet...:coffee:

Pneumonic 01-21-2015 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by imapig (Post 2201913)
I keep hearing if BB is guilty Suspend him...Bull fvcking shit!!!!!!! this is the equivelant of getting caught not wearing your seatbelt... The haters are making a mountain out of a mole hill.... This is far less severe than than spygate. This is a case of jealous haters trying to weaken the best franchise in the buisness because they are sick of sucking..

Some combo of jealousy and envy make people believe crazy things. The smaller the mind the more they believe.

What's particularly disturbing is these opinions are being bandied about without a single word from the NFL as to the Pats, or even BB's, responsibility in all of this.

Such is today's mindless social media crowd.

Big/Sky/Fly 01-21-2015 06:43 PM

Pretty much all fans other than Pats already hate...so, this is nothing new.

imapig 01-21-2015 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TGIASM (Post 2201938)
Pretty much all fans other than Pats already hate...so, this is nothing new.

People already had an oppinion on us before this happen, and nothing was going to change or alter that perception. We will alway be the Cheatriots outside of NE. /Embrace the hate, and jealously.:coffee:

AkPatsFan 01-21-2015 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by imapig (Post 2201935)
So basically it will be status quo... If I recall correctly everytime I went on to read story of the Pats you had a million DB's in comment section crying spygate this ********* that, and so forth... We were hated Sunday and if we get exonerated from this it will call many of the haters to have apoplectic fits and I hope we do because the egg on a haters face is sweet...:coffee:

Case in point and look at the headline of the thread in the link. Haters gonna hate. lol

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=118091

Jaric 01-21-2015 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by imapig (Post 2201942)
People already had an oppinion on us before this happen, and nothing was going to change or alter that perception. We will alway be the Cheatriots outside of NE. /Embrace the hate, and jealously.:coffee:

That's not true pig.

For example, my opinion of your ability to cheat without getting caught has taken a serious nosedive the past few days.

:D

Mark_Henderson 01-21-2015 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by anderson (Post 2201922)
It does seem a bit odd that Brady wouldn't notice that the balls were a full 2 psi below normal given how anal he is in his preparation.


Brady not noticing that the ball is 15% less inflated would be like Carlos Santana not noticing that his guitar was out of tune - he'd probably realize it. Brad Johnson said today that he paid $7,500 for the ball boys to alter Super Bowl game balls to his preference.

It's odd that this issue hasn't gotten press in the history of the NFL before. I'd think over the years that MANY teams have inflated/deflated balls to their QB's preference and to compensate for wet/cold conditions. This is much less of a story than spygate, but if it wasn't for spygate, this wouldn't be as big a story now.

I agree that this is gamesmanship, like Red Auerbach turning up the heat in the Lakers' locker room in the finals when it was 90 degrees in the old Boston Garden. If they were caught breaking the rules, the Pats deserve some kind of punishment, but this will only help them in the Super Bowl as motivating bulletin board material, though if Brady does prefer throwing softer footballs, that's out now - they're all going to be at 13 psi.

Roberto71 01-21-2015 06:55 PM

I think it's beginning to turn to be honest.

Guys like Peter King are stating tests have been done and it's impossible to tell the difference when handling, between two footballs with 2psi difference. Other QBs saying they all manipulate the footballs to get them the way they want. Rodgers like an overinflated and the Packers deliver a football to the refs overinflated, above the limit. The refs then will deflate them. Manning lobbied hard to get the NFL to allow QBs to manipulate footballs etc.

When QBs warm up on the sideline they are testing the balls seeing which ones they like and want in rotation.

Jason LaConfora has talked to multiple players, they all have different preferences and try to get them the way they want them.

Even other players from rival teams are coming out saying it's daft. Torrey Smith on twitter said "you can't lose a football game because a ball has less air haha"

Robert Mathis said it had no bearing on the game at all. Russell Wilson said as long as the ball has a lace on it he doesn't care.

You're seeing the players from other teams are all perplexed by the fuss. It's an irrelevance.


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