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mooseontheloose 06-12-2018 11:46 AM

Plenty of quality foods are high in calories though. I've bulked on 3500 calories before and ate minimal junk doing it. I've also cut just fine with a scoop or two of ice cream in my smoothie every day.

I think you're just conflating the issues. If a person accurately tracks their calories and DOESN'T overeat then they will lose weight, regardless of what the food is.

Of course it's much easier to stick to your calories eating wholesome, filling foods rather than junk but that doesn't mean you can't lose weight doing the opposite. Sugar contributes to health problems and cravings but there's no legit evidence that IF you avoid the cravings and stick within your calories that you can't lose weight including sugar in your diet. Of course that doesn't mean one should eat nothing but cereal all day, but taking it to that extreme is somewhat disingenuous.

Let's assume that I eat fairly well - avoid junk food, focus on meat, eggs, nuts, potatoes/rice, fruits and veggies, etc. Let's say I want to adjust my weight. How do I do that? I'm already eating the right foods so what do I do? The answer is tracking calories - surplus to bulk, deficit to cut.

Moreover, tracking calories is pretty straight forward assuming you have a food scale and app. Plus, if you're tracking is a bit off but you eat the same foods regularly, it doesn't matter because you'll adjust based on your progress. Let's say your TDEE is 2000 and you want to gain 1 lb per week so you set your daily goal at 2500 calories. Now if after a few weeks my tracking of something is off and causes me to be on pace to gain 6 lbs per month then I simply lower my daily calories down slightly and continue on until I'm gaining the amount planned.

It's incredibly simple and I've personally done it multiple times with a variety of different diets. Pretty much everyone I know who lifts has had the same success. Reddit, BodyBuilding.com, etc. are full of people who use the same strategy to control their weights and all have success despite eating different foods. I agree completely that food quality is huge for overall health, AND that choice of foods can impact one's likelihood of success. But at the end of the day CICO is science and guides weight gain and loss above everything else. Like I said, assume I have the perfect diet but want to adjust my weight/composition. If I do anything but adjust my calories I will fail.

Big/Sky/Fly 06-12-2018 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFan09 (Post 2523473)
The idea that doctors get kickbacks from Big Pharm is idiotic. But then again, considering the source...


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They absolutely do...you're only fooling yourself. Congrats.They don't hire hot, attractive babes in medical sales for shits and giggles. :coffee:

mooseontheloose 06-12-2018 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Big/Sky/Fly (Post 2523565)
They absolutely do...you're only fooling yourself. Congrats.They don't hire hot, attractive babes in medical sales for shit and giggles. :coffee:

Hey, Penny is married to a scientist so she can't be that dumb :coffee:

Big/Sky/Fly 06-12-2018 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Roberto71 (Post 2523477)
The only "diet" that really works is dramatically cutting down on the amount you eat, i.e. calories and eating the right foods.

We know this becuase the only really large detailed study of this effect was uin Cuba when they went through a severe deceline after the USSR fell. Because they have excellent medical doctors there, an in depth study was made and the results were dramatic.



https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...lapsed/275080/

Yeah...I would agree with this.

Most overweight people generally eat way more than they need. And their food is null of the necessary nutrients.

Big/Sky/Fly 06-12-2018 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mooseontheloose (Post 2523567)
Hey, Penny is married to a scientist so she can't be that dumb :coffee:

This sounds like a TV show... is she a blonde with big...smiles?

Jaric 06-12-2018 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mooseontheloose (Post 2523558)
I think you're just conflating the issues. If a person accurately tracks their calories and DOESN'T overeat then they will lose weight, regardless of what the food is.

Thing is moose, almost no one accurately tracks calories. Even professional athletes can struggle. Furthermore, most people don't have the willpower to fight off the urges to binge their brain sends out when they eat junk. Especially people that have been eating junk most of their lives.

I get that some people are able to accurately count calories and have the discipline to do so for the rest of their lives. Most people however do not. At least most people who've already established poor eating habits.

I suppose to put another way, you're way more likely to obtain a favorable CICO balance if you change what you're eating as opposed to simply trying to rely on will power and counting calories.

EasyBigFella 06-12-2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriots71 (Post 2523452)
I'm starting to think that some of my fellow pats fans believe anything the media feeds them. Again. Brady does resistance training which is raved about by popular fitness mags and experts. If Brady thinks the training helps, and so far its hard to argue with the success who gives a flying fuck what he does as long as its legal. Tying Edelman's PED bust to it is a Volin, Dan S column waiting to happen. The boston media is finally getting its way.

Ah, the Pats fan 'kool aid/everyone is out to get us' defense. You have a guy who has been investigated by the FTC for making several false claims (including lying that he was a 'doctor') and you are under the illusion there's no chance this clown could make false claims to Brady and push something illegal on his to help his brand? Yikes.

BostonTim 06-12-2018 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mikiemo83 (Post 2522902)
Elixir Guerrero tossed Jules Edelman under the bus with his response:

"I’ve known Julian since his rookie year and he is a phenomenal athlete who takes his training seriously — it’s disappointing to hear today’s news,” Guerrero said in the statement issued Thursday night. “Elite athletes sometimes work with multiple coaches and health professionals as part of their off-season training."

"Here at our facility, we take a natural, holistic, appropriate and, above all, legal approach to training and recovery for all of our clients,” he continued. “And anyone who would suggest otherwise is irresponsible, and just plain wrong.”

or

'Don't blame me he took something, I didn't give it to him it is his other trainers fault"


when; "sorry to hear about this, I will wait for the news to settle and I know more before commenting" is all he had to say but he was protecting his Voodoo witchcraft.

You may be leaving out the part where the entire worldwide Patriot Destruction Alliance landed on him, so hard and fast, that's it's a miracle he managed to squeeze out any sort of defense

Also, what makes you think that undefended unfounded attacks on the TB12s will settle anytime soon. :shrug:

Hawg73 06-12-2018 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mikiemo83 (Post 2523537)
A friend did WW and it was a lot of changing numbers based on what physical activities you do. There was a baseline number of points but if you ran 5 miles you were given "X" number of points to add to your baseline number.

She did it to be able to enjoy a real meal during the day, not dinner.

Certain veggies were basically no points but they would fill you up, I think broccoli was one she could eat with no issues, I really didn't pay full attention to her diet.

You're right about the broccoli and there is a lot of stuff that you can eat a bunch of without worrying in their current program, including skinless chicken and shrimp.

I cook WW recipes almost every night and actually prefer them to eating in restaurants. They taste cleaner, are satisfying and process better. I've lost 22 pounds over the last 14 months which I think is the healthier way to go than one of my brothers who lost 70 pounds in less than a year on the "Tito's Vodka Diet". That's way too fast, although I think he's kidding about the booze.

I consider WW an excellent, smart program based on solid science. It's not hard to follow, but you have to make an effort, mostly planning and finding fresh recipes so you don't get bored with the same old stuff. It's not really designed for dudes. Going to meetings with my wife the ratio is about 20 to 1 females, but it works so I keep going.

I didn't go for 6 months last year and put on 2.5 pounds. My wife was pissed that I didn't gain more. At some point, the stuff you learn starts to stick and I sort of followed it even when I wasn't weighing in.

Tonight is Asian Steak Salad. It's good for you and fucking delicious.

Jaric 06-12-2018 02:38 PM

That's awesome Hawg!

mikiemo83 06-12-2018 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawg73 (Post 2523605)
You're right about the broccoli and there is a lot of stuff that you can eat a bunch of without worrying in their current program, including skinless chicken and shrimp.

I cook WW recipes almost every night and actually prefer them to eating in restaurants. They taste cleaner, are satisfying and process better. I've lost 22 pounds over the last 14 months which I think is the healthier way to go than one of my brothers who lost 70 pounds in less than a year on the "Tito's Vodka Diet". That's way too fast, although I think he's kidding about the booze.

I consider WW an excellent, smart program based on solid science. It's not hard to follow, but you have to make an effort, mostly planning and finding fresh recipes so you don't get bored with the same old stuff. It's not really designed for dudes. Going to meetings with my wife the ratio is about 20 to 1 females, but it works so I keep going.

I didn't go for 6 months last year and put on 2.5 pounds. My wife was pissed that I didn't gain more. At some point, the stuff you learn starts to stick and I sort of followed it even when I wasn't weighing in.

Tonight is Asian Steak Salad. It's good for you and fucking delicious.

thats awesome - congrats and broccolli bloats you to give the illusion you are full

and I need to know more about this 20 to 1 ratio...

so 1 dude to 20 women who are feeling good about themselves for losing weight..... This might be better than my Prom idea to sit outside the ladies rooms and talk nice to the criers.

Dwight Schrute 06-12-2018 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFan09 (Post 2523473)
The idea that doctors get kickbacks from Big Pharm is idiotic. But then again, considering the source...


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Really?

Why do they continue to over-prescribe the product then?

Knowing how chronically addictive they are?

The track record of addiction?

The subsequent desperation of the addicted resorting to the cheaper street heroin?

Why would a Dr who has taken an oath to treat and protect continue to support and encourage a devastating product nationwide?

Money.

Scratch.

Scrilla.

Patriots71 06-12-2018 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyBigFella (Post 2523582)
Ah, the Pats fan 'kool aid/everyone is out to get us' defense. You have a guy who has been investigated by the FTC for making several false claims (including lying that he was a 'doctor') and you are under the illusion there's no chance this clown could make false claims to Brady and push something illegal on his to help his brand? Yikes.

When has he pushed something illegal on a player? I guess if I thought Brady was a complete idiot about what he puts in his body, but I believe he has a handle on it.

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Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute (Post 2523629)
Really?

Why do they continue to over-prescribe the product then?

Knowing how chronically addictive they are?

The track record of addiction?

The subsequent desperation of the addicted resorting to the cheaper street heroin?

Why would a Dr who has taken an oath to treat and protect continue to support and encourage a devastating product nationwide?

Money.

Scratch.

Scrilla.


Of course doctors get a kick back from big pharm companies. I thought everyone knew this already.

mikiemo83 06-12-2018 06:50 PM

Perks, kickbacks., the money they tossed at certain departments is crazy. It adds
Up Quick. Over a year it is unreal.

PatsFan09 06-12-2018 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute (Post 2523629)
Really?



Why do they continue to over-prescribe the product then?



Knowing how chronically addictive they are?



The track record of addiction?



The subsequent desperation of the addicted resorting to the cheaper street heroin?



Why would a Dr who has taken an oath to treat and protect continue to support and encourage a devastating product nationwide?



Money.



Scratch.



Scrilla.



Show the proof . I know many doctors, have several doctors in the family. They all laugh at this idiotic and usually unsubstantiated claim.


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