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grog 09-27-2012 12:03 PM

If you could fix one thing, what would it be and why?
 
Ok, so we are 1-2 and haven't really played that bad but haven't lived up to expectations either. Excluding officiating, if you could make one adjustment/change to the Pats at this point, what would it be and why?

I'll go first. While I have been on the 'improve the oline bandwagon' since before the draft, i realize at this point in the season there isn't much that can be done there. So, if I could fix one thing, it would be offensive play calling. I have scratched my head more than ever after some of the unusual calls the first three weeks. From ill timed trick plays to going too conservative at times to not conservative enough at other times. The offense really doesn't have an identity at this point and I don't know if it's because we are experimenting with things in the early going or is it because we have taken a step backward.

I'd like to see more blitz calls on defense too, but since the question limits me to one thing, I'm going with offensive play calling.

Beaglebay 09-27-2012 12:08 PM

A stifling defense which averages +3 timely TOs per game.

grog 09-27-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Beaglebay (Post 1934596)
A stifling defense which averages +3 timely TOs per game.

What adjustment would you make to get that?

dchester 09-27-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by grog (Post 1934593)
Ok, so we are 1-2 and haven't really played that bad but haven't lived up to expectations either. Excluding officiating, if you could make one adjustment/change to the Pats at this point, what would it be and why?

I'll go first. While I have been on the 'improve the oline bandwagon' since before the draft, i realize at this point in the season there isn't much that can be done there. So, if I could fix one thing, it would be offensive play calling. I have scratched my head more than ever after some of the unusual calls the first three weeks. From ill timed trick plays to going too conservative at times to not conservative enough at other times. The offense really doesn't have an identity at this point and I don't know if it's because we are experimenting with things in the early going or is it because we have taken a step backward.

I'd like to see more blitz calls on defense too, but since the question limits me to one thing, I'm going with offensive play calling.

I'd get a true shutdown CB.

midgar8784 09-27-2012 12:23 PM

I just think its been a couple very unlucky breaks so far this year, and I do not see it continuing on. I actually thought the pats played great Sunday night, but I think some bad calls killed some momentum on defense, plus not knowing what they were able to do and not do. The playcalling has been...I guess odd is the word, more so in the Cardinal game though....Basically at this point I see two games that could have easily been won against two very good teams, so as of now at least I am not in panic mode...I guess if I have to say I want one change its, can we for freaking once get pressure on a QB? Every year its the same thing....3 sacks this year...sorry its not going to get it, and if it does not improve, and I do not mean more sacks, I mean some kind of pressure...then say hello the last two years. When was the last time we did not have a turnover, Brady had a Qb rating over 110, and we scored 30 points that we did not win?

midgar8784 09-27-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dchester (Post 1934605)
I'd get a true shutdown CB.

He is just going to be chasing around a wideout for 5 minutes like the rest of them....I will start blaming our secondary when we stop allowing a Qb to stand in the pocket for 10 seconds and wait for someone to get open.

chevss454 09-27-2012 12:29 PM

I'll go with strengthening the O Line if limited to just 1 thing. Waters would fix it in a hurry.

1b would be playcalling; esp. less Woodhead and moar Ridley (which means Ridley would have to get up to speed with the no huddle calls).

Hawg73 09-27-2012 12:57 PM

I'd fix two things.

First, I'd abandon the soft D we often see when the Pats try to kill the clock too early. I want more agressive blitzes and I want tight coverage on the outside, not hanging back trying to keep the play in front of them. It's schematic more than personnel failure at this point, imo. Roll the dice and don't let anybody get any rhythm. Crush somebody for a change. The talent is there. We need to create more chaos and the rope-a-dope doesn't do that.

Second, I don't think the "O line" is responsible for a lot of the play breakdowns as much as people think they are. I believe a lot of plays are getting blown up because our backup TEs and backs just aren't blocking anybody. I would think that after sorting through 10 TEs and 6 fullbacks this year they would have found one of each that can take on a LB. We need a big improvement there and I don't know if the guys we have can get it done. Find somebody. Stat.

Beaglebay 09-27-2012 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by grog (Post 1934597)
What adjustment would you make to get that?


Have the DBs play more aggressively to the ball, game plan more hurries on the QB, surer tackling with an eye on stripping the ball, just to name a few.

chevss454 09-27-2012 01:23 PM

CHFF has the answer

http://www.patriots.com/news/article...9-efa4643a1726

O_P_T 09-27-2012 01:29 PM

Make better in game adjustments.

It seems that teams make adjustments and we don't respond as well as we used to.

Some of this may be due to the loss of people on the coaching staff through the years, but we need to do a better job at this.

Related to this, we need to do more setup plays.

For example, in the Arizona game, Brady threw multiple quick hits to Lloyd when the DB was lined up 5- 8 yards from him.

We should have followed that up with a pump and go later in the game.

grog 09-27-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chevss454 (Post 1934626)

I don't like that answer :(

We better get better on pass defense then, or else...

midgar8784 09-27-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chevss454 (Post 1934626)



Oh good its worse than last year. :PFL:

imapig 09-27-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by midgar8784 (Post 1934637)
Oh good its worse than last year. :PFL:

Well having shitting calls called on your defense giving the opposing offenses 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances doesn't help either. I'm going to give the D a pass until I see how they perform the next 3 games with real refs,and not some lingerie reject...

3 Point Stan 09-27-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by grog (Post 1934597)
What adjustment would you make to get that?

Based on last week, I would think an extra smattering of pine tar on the gloves of the secondary would be a reasonable first step in the right direction. :coffee:

HSanders 09-27-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O_P_T (Post 1934629)
Related to this, we need to do more setup plays.

For example, in the Arizona game, Brady threw multiple quick hits to Lloyd when the DB was lined up 5- 8 yards from him.

We should have followed that up with a pump and go later in the game.

I was RIPPING MY HAIR out watching those...they didn't garner much IIRC and I was screaming THOSE BETTER BE TO SET UP SOMETHING LATER! Lloyd isn't a YAC guy.

dchester 09-27-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chevss454 (Post 1934626)

A shutdown corner would certainly make the pass defense better. Just sayin.

grog 09-27-2012 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dchester (Post 1934663)
A shutdown corner would certainly make the pass defense better. Just sayin.

Speaking of which, are we ever going see some Ras I out there?

NSPatsFan 09-27-2012 03:17 PM

For me it would be the fact the defense hasn't been able to hold a lead with the game on the line since Super Bowl XXXIX

Why? Because we'd have 3 more rings!

grog 09-27-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NSPatsFan (Post 1934669)
For me it would be the fact the defense hasn't been able to hold a lead with the game on the line since Super Bowl XXXIX

Why? Because we'd have 3 more rings!

Why do you think that is though? What do they need to fix to hold the lead?

foobahl 09-27-2012 04:15 PM

aaron hernandez' ankle

chevss454 09-27-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by grog (Post 1934668)
Speaking of which, are we ever going see some Ras I out there?

He's played quite a bit.

O_P_T 09-27-2012 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chevss454 (Post 1934703)
He's played quite a bit.

ESPN has the break down on the first three games here

Here's the number of snaps he's had in each game.

Tennessee: 36 of 65 (55%)
Arizona: 0 of 64 (0%)
Baltimore: 4 of 73 (5%)

Total: 40 of 202 (20%)

Not sure why he essentially hasn't played in the last two games.

ESPN also had this bit on Ras I.
Drafted in the second round of the 2011 draft, cornerback Ras-I Dowling could very well be following a similar path as Butler. The 33rd overall pick started the first two games of his rookie season before suffering a season-ending hip injury, and played in 57 percent of the defensive snaps in the regular-season opener this season.

But then something happened.

Dowling did not play in Week 2 against the Cardinals and played for just four defensive snaps on Sunday night in Baltimore. Sterling Moore took over third-cornerback duties for both weeks, and when starter Kyle Arrington went down with an injury late in the Ravens game, it was Marquice Cole who came onto the field, not Dowling.
That last bit is even more significant than the drop in playing time, IMHO.

It indicates he's dropped two spots on the depth chart, not just one.

Of course, he could have an injury, except he's not listed on the injury report.

bmooney54 09-27-2012 07:27 PM

Own the 4th quarter and end the game on Mallett's knee. The offense needs to be able to kill the clock. The defense needs to get off the field late in the game.

Flagg the Wanderer 09-27-2012 07:53 PM

Oh, this is the football forum. In the 3RC the answer to the question in the thread title is obvious:

Snooki.
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Ryan91 09-27-2012 08:21 PM

Less conservative play calling on the Defense - I'd like to see the Pats dialing in some Blitzes this week, bringing some heat will put opposing QBs under pressure. We may well let teams get big plays every once in a while if we Blitz, but we may also see some better numbers when it comes to QB hurries, pressures and of course, sacks.

midgar8784 09-27-2012 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bmooney54 (Post 1934709)
Own the 4th quarter and end the game on Mallett's knee. The offense needs to be able to kill the clock. The defense needs to get off the field late in the game.

Mallett? Brady does not let Mallett come into games. Stupid newbie might drop the snap and cost them the game. Like a few people said, hard to close games out when they are calling silly penalties against you...I am going to have to give the patriots a pass on that last game, they played good enough to win with everything equal.

Smudger 09-28-2012 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dchester (Post 1934605)
I'd get a true shutdown CB.

Yeah, I'd certainly like to see better play on the backend. I don't know if the problem is scheme or the ability of the individuals, but I'd just like to be able to see a pass thrown deep and not immediately know its going to be a completion or DPI.

dchester 09-28-2012 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by grog (Post 1934668)
Speaking of which, are we ever going see some Ras I out there?

I've been underwhelmed by what I've seen from him, thus far. I'd like to see them to get someone who can really cover a good WR (like Ty Law, or Mike Haynes).

Beaglebay 09-28-2012 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by grog (Post 1934671)
Why do you think that is though? What do they need to fix to hold the lead?


Stop playing soft/prevent defense, and swarm the QB. No guts, no glory.

The Hoodie 09-28-2012 10:45 AM

I have always hated the soft zone coverage that comes out when they have a lead. Not sure how they are on pace to be worse than last year when coming into BAL they were the #2 defense in the game. They need to build up the pass rush more and they definitely need a shutdown CB. And stop dropping easy INTs.

Not giving up on this defensive unit especially after a marred game like the BAL one was. Give it time.

PumpDee 09-28-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by midgar8784 (Post 1934608)
He is just going to be chasing around a wideout for 5 minutes like the rest of them....I will start blaming our secondary when we stop allowing a Qb to stand in the pocket for 10 seconds and wait for someone to get open.




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Exactly the 1 thing I would fix if I could.

Hawg73 09-28-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dchester (Post 1934808)
I've been underwhelmed by what I've seen from him, thus far. I'd like to see them to get someone who can really cover a good WR (like Ty Law, or Mike Haynes).

I think he's a better cover guy than Arrington, that's for sure. Using the preseason as an indication it appeared that even on completions given up Ras-I was in pretty good position and I think he is a physical, solid tackler who just needs reps to be somebody. I like his strength and arm length right up on a bigger WR. He can battle.

I can't answer why he hasn't played in the last two but suspect that the team felt he made too many mental mistakes, which if true shouldn't be surprising since he lacks experience.

I have to believe that Arrington is skating on thin ice and Dowling is the guy I would think has the best chance of starting over him and performing well, but it is a bit Butleresque the way he's disappearing from the lineup.


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