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Steve-o 06-15-2011 11:01 AM

Tea Party candidates got slaughtered in 2010.

Establishment GOP candidates won in a tidal wave.

So much for not voting for establishment GOPers.

I hope you're right, and tea party candidates get nominated, across the board.

Baron Samedi 06-15-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve-o (Post 1696409)
Tea Party candidates got slaughtered in 2010.

Establishment GOP candidates won in a tidal wave.

So much for not voting for establishment GOPers.

I hope you're right, and tea party candidates get nominated, across the board.

I definitely hope for more "slaughters" like 2010.

Then we will, finally, permanently refuse to raise the US debt limit and cut spending to match revenue.

Here's to another "slaughter".:toast:

Steve-o 06-15-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron Samedi (Post 1696413)
I definitely hope for more "slaughters" like 2010.

Then we will, finally, permanently refuse to raise the US debt limit and cut spending to match revenue.

Here's to another "slaughter".:toast:

The only power you have is establishment Republicans, as always, as ever.

AnOldTroll 06-15-2011 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron Samedi (Post 1696413)

Then we will, finally, permanently refuse to raise the US debt limit and cut spending to match revenue.

Don't you get it, Baron? We do it backass backwards in the good ole US of A ... we have to increase revenue to match spending.:rolleyes::sulk:
Its SO simple. GET.WITH.THE.PROGRAM.

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Steve-o 06-15-2011 01:38 PM

We had it figured out a decade ago, and were on a path to debt elimination. Unfortunately, Republicans took over the White House as well as holding both houses of Congress, and introduced the fool-proof plan of lowering taxes AND raising spending.

BRILLIANT!

And these are the folks that you keep pulling the lever for.

AnOldTroll 06-15-2011 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve-o (Post 1696458)
We had it figured out a decade ago, and were on a path to debt elimination. Unfortunately, Republicans took over the White House as well as holding both houses of Congress, and introduced the fool-proof plan of lowering taxes AND raising spending.

BRILLIANT!

And these are the folks that you keep pulling the lever for.

Shut up. A decade ago Clinton dealt with a conservative house and congress and was the beneficiary to a dot.com bubble. Its all about timing.
Its insane that both parties continue to pander to the lobbyists and push thru so much fvcking crap. Nothing is solved. Its insanity.

Steve-o 06-15-2011 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AnOldTroll (Post 1696463)
Shut up. A decade ago Clinton dealt with a conservative house and congress and was the beneficiary to a dot.com bubble. Its all about timing.
Its insane that both parties continue to pander to the lobbyists and push thru so much fvcking crap. Nothing is solved. Its insanity.

Yeah, okay. That same "conservative" house and senate was in control under Bush. What happened?

It's total bullshit to pretend that tax cuts don't contribute to the deficit. They were a complete disaster. Where are the jobs? The debt exploded.

Yet, you think we should just double down on them.

It's insanity. It's what got us here.

Baron Samedi 06-15-2011 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve-o (Post 1696458)
We had it figured out a decade ago, and were on a path to debt elimination. Unfortunately, Republicans took over the White House as well as holding both houses of Congress, and introduced the fool-proof plan of lowering taxes AND raising spending.

BRILLIANT!

And these are the folks that you keep pulling the lever for.

Never knew you were a Newt Gingrich fan.

AnOldTroll 06-15-2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve-o (Post 1696466)
Yeah, okay. That same "conservative" house and senate was in control under Bush. What happened?

It's total bullshit to pretend that tax cuts don't contribute to the deficit. They were a complete disaster. Where are the jobs? The debt exploded.

Yet, you think we should just double down on them.

It's insanity. It's what got us here.

I dont do economics but I have common sense. Look at this logically...Increasing taxes are going to increase jobs? HOW?
It's just going to give the government more money to squander. Let me have my money so I can spend it where I want to. Bottom Up vs Top Down makes for a stronger middle class.

tehmackdaddy 06-15-2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve-o (Post 1696466)
Yeah, okay. That same "conservative" house and senate was in control under Bush. What happened?

It's total bullshit to pretend that tax cuts don't contribute to the deficit. They were a complete disaster. Where are the jobs? The debt exploded.

Yet, you think we should just double down on them.

It's insanity. It's what got us here.

Insanity is a video workout series starring none other than Shaun T.

It's also the revisionist history you keep repeating even after it's been pointed out to be incorrect numerous times.

The budget surpluses of the late 90s were fake, Steve-o, fake. They were mostly a result of a false economic boom - a bubble that later popped.

A recession ensued.

Wars began.

Deficits soared.

Deficits began to get reigned in.

All the while unemployment (as kept by the fedgov) averaged around 5%.

Federal economic policy finally causes the raging river to bust through the dam.

The dollar's value falls. Commodity prices soar. Home prices tank. Stock markets crash.

Bush = record deficit

Obama = record deficit into perpetuity without improving jobs or the economy.

AnOldTroll 06-15-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tehmackdaddy (Post 1696472)

It's also the revisionist history you keep repeating even after it's been pointed out to be incorrect numerous times.

The budget surpluses of the late 90s were fake, Steve-o, fake. They were mostly a result of a false economic boom - a bubble that later popped.

A recession ensued.

Wars began.

Deficits soared.

Deficits began to get reigned in.

All the while unemployment (as kept by the fedgov) averaged around 5%.

Federal economic policy finally causes the raging river to bust through the dam.

The dollar's value falls. Commodity prices soar. Home prices tank. Stock markets crash.

Bush = record deficit

Obama = record deficit into perpetuity without improving jobs or the economy.


Awesome, so I amn't a moron.

Steve-o 06-15-2011 03:07 PM

Yep. Doubling down on a proven failure of an ideology.

News flash, folks. Taxes are lower under Obama. They are lower than they were under Bush, and they are lower than they were under Reagan.

Where are the jobs?

Reaganomics are a complete and total failure. The debt exploded under Reagan, while the only income gains went to the top.

Tax cuts for the wealthy do nothing but put us further into debt.

Three decades worth of proof are more than enough.

tehmackdaddy 06-15-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve-o (Post 1696481)
Yep. Doubling down on a proven failure of an ideology....

...Reaganomics are a complete and total failure.

I don't subscribe to Reaganomics as I've already informed you several times (begin reading here for a refresher).

In addition, I'll take your lack of dispute to my coarse historical timeline to mean you don't disagree with it. Glad we can agree on that. Anything else?

I'll look into my crystal ball and predict that Obamanomics is a "complete and total failure." Deficits into perpetuity with no stimulation of jobs and the economy.

Baron Samedi 06-15-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve-o (Post 1696481)
Yep. Doubling down on a proven failure of an ideology.

News flash, folks. Taxes are lower under Obama. They are lower than they were under Bush, and they are lower than they were under Reagan.

Where are the jobs?

Reaganomics are a complete and total failure. The debt exploded under Reagan, while the only income gains went to the top.

Tax cuts for the wealthy do nothing but put us further into debt.

Three decades worth of proof are more than enough.

We have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world.

We have Obamacare on the horizon that will drastically increase the costs of employment.

We have uncertainty about what tax rates will be next year.

We have companies, consumers, and a government that is maxed out on credit already, and unable or unwilling to borrow more to expand business.

We have a whole new truckload of regulatory red tape that makes it extraordianrily difficult for small businesses and startup businesses to absorb the cost of and make profits.

Growing businesses require more labor.

We have salted the earth in this country so seedling companies cannot sprout and grow.

That is why there are no jobs. Every dollar in taxation and regulatory expense is a dollar less in salary companies can pay.

Steve-o 06-15-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron Samedi (Post 1696483)
We have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world.

We have Obamacare on the horizon that will drastically increase the costs of employment.

We have uncertainty about what tax rates will be next year.

We have companies, consumers, and a government that is maxed out on credit already, and unable or unwilling to borrow more to expand business.

We have a whole new truckload of regulatory red tape that makes it extraordianrily difficult for small businesses and startup businesses to absorb the cost of and make profits.

Growing businesses require more labor.

We have salted the earth in this country so seedling companies cannot sprout and grow.

That is why there are no jobs. Every dollar in taxation and regulatory expense is a dollar less in salary companies can pay.

Bullshit. Complete and total bullshit.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...s-high-or-low/

We have the lowest corporate tax burden relative to GDP of all OECD countries.

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