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midgar8784 09-23-2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pneumonic (Post 1932637)
You are avoiding my question, mid.

Did you honestly believe Brady was going to close the game out for us tonight?

He did close it out, I am sorry that he is not able to score a td on every drive, but no QB is expected to do that, not even GOAT QB's....he played his ass off, and we would have been killed without him tonight....so not sure what you think is going to be better.. Nobody no QB....none, is going to be able to win like he has with this crappy defense....none....not going to happen. We need a team....all QB's need some sort of a team....Joe Montana is not winning superbowls scoring 30 points and losing....sorry...

Pneumonic 09-24-2012 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by midgar8784 (Post 1932641)
He did close it out, I am sorry that he is not able to score a td on every drive, but no QB is expected to do that, not even GOAT QB's....he played his ass off, and we would have been killed without him tonight....so not sure what you think is going to be better.. Nobody no QB....none, is going to be able to win like he has with this crappy defense....none....not going to happen. We need a team....all QB's need some sort of a team....Joe Montana is not winning superbowls scoring 30 points and losing....sorry...

But he didn't close it out ...... again for us. That's my point!

Yes, the Pats D sucked bulls balls tonight and yes the refs screwed the pooch. But all Brady needed to do to put this game into the W column was direct this offense to a couple first downs the last drive. It's become all too commonplace that this is not happening anymore for Brady.

midgar8784 09-24-2012 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pneumonic (Post 1932643)
But he didn't close it out ...... again for us. That's my point!

Yes, the Pats D sucked bulls balls tonight and yes the refs screwed the pooch. But all Brady needed to do to put this game into the W column was direct this offense to a couple first downs the last drive. It's become all too commonplace that this is not happening anymore for Brady.

He didnt" Funny I thought there were 11 players on both sides....maybe thats the problem, next time they can send players out on the field with him. Yes its common place when teams give up 31 points they usually do not win....yes this is true.

patriots pam 09-24-2012 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by imapig (Post 1932634)
Mark my words Ive seen enough that Baltimore is cooked.. They are nothing and won't be a threat in January.. I hope the Raven fans enjoy another North Title at BEST because thats all they getting...:coffee:

I want you. :coffee:

Wait...I think I mean it. :huh: :insane: ROFL

CreamedCorn 09-24-2012 12:12 AM

thread is 8/10, would laugh again

imapig 09-24-2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by patriots pam (Post 1932650)
I want you. :coffee:

Wait...I think I mean it. :huh: :insane: ROFL

You'll have to take a number...:coffee:


ROFL

HSanders 09-24-2012 12:31 AM

Luckily the QB realizes this even if some people don't.

http://www.patsfans.com/ian/blog/201...e-transcript-6

On the fact they practice a ’4-minute’ offense and if it was frustrating not to be able to finish the game:

Brady:“Yeah. Certainly it’s the situational football that we talk about, two minute, four minute, two minute was good before the end of the half, you know, 4-minute we got a chance to win it and just don’t play well when we need to. We’ve got to play our best when it means the most, and we’ve got to start winning close games.

HSanders 09-24-2012 12:47 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...to-steve-sabol


9. Patriots will be fine. And fined.
Please remember that I told you this in a few weeks: at some point, people will start talking about the Patriots being done and their dynasty being over and Tom Brady losing his touch and yada, yada, yada. And then after about a week of that chatter, Brady will come out and absolutely eviscerate an opponent.

He does this on a frequent basis and then everyone gets back on the bandwagon. Is it a concern that the Pats have a losing record for the first time since 2003? Yes, of course it is. But that also speaks to how well they've played for the last decade. They're quite a good football team, and the losses they've suffered are to a pair of teams who are a combined 5-1 on the season. They could be doing worse (see: the Saints).

As for the past tense version of the headline, expect both Bill Belichick and Brandon Spikes to get a not-so-friendly call from the league office. Belichick aggressively touched an official after the game and he's going to get pegged with a monster fine. He's a perfect poster boy (or perhaps you prefer the term scapegoat?) for the league nailing coaches who don't fall in line with their stance on the refs. The only question is whether or not the NFL decides to hand out a suspension.

Then there's Brandon Spikes. Spikes tweeted on Sunday night asking, "Can someone please tell these f-----g zebras foot locker called and they're needed Back at work !!!! #BreakingPoint" It got retweeted quickly and don't expect it to simmer down any time on Monday. Spikes should also have some answering to do, assuming he isn't mad at the some actual zebra strike right now.

patriots pam 09-24-2012 01:25 AM

OK so Brady is no Flacco, I'll learn to live with that I guess :coffee:

HSanders 09-24-2012 01:31 AM

http://www.nesn.com/2012/09/tom-brad...officials.html

Tom Brady, Patriots Inability to Convert in Key Moments Far More Responsible for Loss Than Officials

by Luke Hughes on Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 1:44AM

With just seconds left on the clock and a field goal separating the Patriots and Ravens, Sunday night's showdown in Baltimore felt awfully familiar. The only difference this time was the result. About eight months to the day from the Patriots miracle 23-20 win over the Ravens in the AFC Championship Game, this time Baltimore's kicker was actually able to split the uprights -- well, at least officially. One point ended up making the difference between a win and loss for the Patriots on Sunday, but while football fans everywhere will scream bloody murder at the officiating -- if you wish to call it that -- this loss falls squarely on the shoulders of the 46 guys that took the field for New England. Sure. There were some phantom pass-interference calls, questionable holding penalties and, of course, the ever-controversial last-second kick that went over the goal post, but no amount of poor officiating could steal the responsibility of Sunday's loss away from the Patriots players. Tom Brady and the Patriots offense had plenty of opportunities to close out a well deserved win on the evening, but a lack of efficiency on both of the Patriots final two drives resulted in handing the ball back to the Ravens. A couple of short passes and a monster sack by a pair of Ravens linemen were the difference between solidifying the W and putting the fate of the game in Joe Flacco's hands -- an opportunity he both reveled and thrived in. The New England defense couldn't do anything to stop the oncoming onslaught either. Devin McCourty, who seemed to have rediscovered his coverage skills this season, was exposed time and again as he squared off against the speed and strength of Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith and even Jacoby Jones. The Patriots secondary allowed Flacco to chew up 118 of his absurd 382 passing yards during the Ravens final two possessions -- a shameful amount. The defensive backs didn't help their case any by dropping sure interceptions at different times throughout the game, including two from McCourty and one fourth quarter miscue by a stumbling Kyle Arrington. Those were prime opportunities squandered in big moments. And then of course McCourty's pass interference penalty that set up the game-winning kick just capped off a night of errors and missed opportunities. At least the players held themselves accountable in the end, though, knowing this loss was on them. "It's the National Football League," McCourty said of his less than desirable performance. "If you go out there with no confidence, you'll see a worse display than what I played out there." Ouch, self-criticizing can be tough. But sometimes it's just necessary. Tom Brady wasn't shying away from the blame after the loss, either, putting the emphasis for the defeat on he and his teammates inability to convert in key moments. "We just don't play well when we need to," a visibly frustrated Brady said after the game. That seems to be the trend that these Patriots have suffered from for a few years now. Last year's AFC Championship victory was as much a win by the Patriots as it was a loss by the Ravens. Unlike their first four Super Bowl appearances, last year's felt somewhat illegitimate. Something just feels off in New England. The Patriots haven't possessed that true killer instinct in quite some time, maybe dating all the way back to that nearly magical 2007 season. Brady still shows the fiery desire to win, but it doesn't appear to be that same 'whatever it takes' mentality. Bill Belichick continues to be as prepared and steady as any coach in the NFL, and he definitely doesn't like losing -- that was made quite apparent by his demeanor during Sunday's postgame press conference. But maybe there's a stubborness that's keeping the ultimate goal beyond arm's reach. The reality in New England isn't that Belichick, Brady and company have lost their fastball -- to use some baseball lingo -- or that the passion isn't burning as hot as it once did. Rather, it's just to note that the big moments that the Patriots used to live for and excell in now appear to be their Achilles heel. A concern that although maybe utterly innacurate could be something to consider. The Patriots still have plenty of desirable assets, especially when talking about the characteristics of a Super Bowl contender. But for some reason with this team it feels like there's still plenty left to be desired.

The Hoodie 09-24-2012 02:01 AM

This team will be fine. Just relax.

chevss454 09-24-2012 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pneumonic (Post 1932550)
Brady choked when he was needed tonight. Like he has too many times of late.

For the life of me I can't think of 1 single play when Brady choked...when he cost us the game.

There are plenty of thngs to look back and say this or that didn't go quite right, I agree. The play calling on our last possession around the 2 min. mark for one. The sack on Brady for another. But was that really Brady's fault? He had all of 0.75 seconds before he was smothered. Both were way more on McD than on Brady imo. The prevent (or what looked like prevent) D wasn't on Brady.

Imo, the offense did have opportunities to seal the win which weren't taken advantage of and maybe that's your beef. But I blame the play calling which unfortunately sucked at the end of the game both on offense and defense. Brady executed the plays called; he didn't choke.

imapig 09-24-2012 06:41 AM

I don't even want to Hear the Brady is washed up crap. He was freaking awesome last night...We got jobbed and thats that...

Pyxis 09-24-2012 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pneumonic (Post 1932630)
I agree the D sucks, majorly and has for too many freakin years now.

My question is the same .... did you honestly believe Brady was going to close the game out for us tonight?

The defense blows. No doubt.

And I'm not sure it's TFB who is losing his edge or McD who can't call a decent drive. TFB was doing pretty good at the end of the second half until that moronic toss to Edelman that produced an 11 yard loss that killed the drive. That's shitty coaching. BB should fix that before he works on Tommy.
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tehrick67 09-24-2012 06:53 AM

It is possible for the defense to close out a game. How many easy interception got dropped?


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