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[spiderman]

I took a trip to NYC this weekend in order to visit some friends, and was very disturbed by what I found.

Obviously, this weekend, the hot topic was the election, and my friends, all of whom are democrats, couldn't wait to jump on me, being the lone republican.

Some points:

1.) They seem utterly perplexed that it was even remotely possible that Bush could win. I saw many of them looking at the red county/blue county map scratching their head.

2.) For people who describe themselves as "liberal" they sure are close minded, prejudice, and opionated. I heard many comments along the lines of..."How dare those backwards hicks vote for Bush, afterall they owe everything to us! We do everything and they just reap the benefits."

3.) They seem stuck on 2 issues: Gay marriage and abortion. Not that these aren't necessarily important issues, but they can't get away from them. I tried explaining to them, that when I went into the voting booth, neither of these 2 issues were even on my radar screen.

*And in actuality it looks like forcing "gay marriage" into the spotlight may have been their own undoing.

4.) There is an extreme state of denial amongst all of them. They were all obsessed with the 3000 invalid votes in Ohio, instead of looking inward and figuring out what "they" as a party did wrong. This attitude does not bode well for the future of their party.

In recap, I've never come across a group of people so high on themselves, and so down on everyone else. A group of people who think that their opinion is the only one that should matter, and to hell with everyone else.

If this is the future of the democratic party, they are in more trouble then I previously believed.

[Ballbustah]

They’re your friends...

I have never seen a post so intent on describing your friends as idiots.

Perhaps your too good for them.

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
They’re your friends...

I have never seen a post so intent on describing your friends as idiots.

Perhaps your too good for them.

bustah, what is wrong with you? i don't see anywhere that spidey calls his friends idiots. you have completely lost any objective thought when it comes to politics. i'm sorry, just my observation.

[spiderman]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
bustah, what is wrong with you? i don't see anywhere that spidey calls his friends idiots. you have completely lost any objective thought when it comes to politics. i'm sorry, just my observation.

I have bustah on ignore so I can't see what he writes unless you quote it. He is an immature idiot who just tries to harrass me whenever I post something in here for some strange reason...hence why I have him on ignore.

Notice that I put immature idiot in bold to illustrate the fact that while I don't think that my friends are idiots I definitely think that he is.



:D

[Spinal Tap]

spiderman, you should take him off of ignore.

[spiderman]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
spiderman, you should take him off of ignore.

I tried having fun with it before, and everyone got pissed off. So I left the board for a while thinking it would cool down. But no, as soon as I returned he was right back at it.

Honestly, it has gone beyond absurd, and I find absolutely no humor in it anymore, it is just totally annoying at this point. When people started lumping the 2 of us together, I figured that if I just put him on ignore and went about my business that it would be possible for me to retain some dignity, and engage in some enlightening debate.

:thumb:

[Spinal Tap]

point taken. i will say that ballbustah has undergone a type of metamorphasis over the past couple of months.

bustah, you are a veteran of the message board scene. you are one of the original "ballbuster's" over at the bills board. i was once a member of that board too, until they decided to go adolph hitler on my arse and kick me out. anyways, i think you have kinda lost a bit of your edge lately. i'm not trying to degrade you, just lending you an outsider's perspective. don't take it personally.

[Ballbustah]

"They seem utterly perplexed…
…close minded, prejudice, and opionated.
There is an extreme state of denial amongst all of them.
I've never come across a group of people so high on themselves, and so down on everyone else. A group of people who think that their opinion is the only one that should matter, and to hell with everyone else."

All of the above is = to idiot.

So sorry you think I have lost my edge....

[Ballbustah]

Perhaps Spiderman is an imature idiot who can not keep himself from pointing out his political views over and over again.
All his friends are idiots....
Maybe he is too.

Enlightening debate....
All he says is the same old crap over and over again.



Originally posted by spiderman
I have bustah on ignore so I can't see what he writes unless you quote it. He is an immature idiot who just tries to harrass me whenever I post something in here for some strange reason...hence why I have him on ignore.

Notice that I put immature idiot in bold to illustrate the fact that while I don't think that my friends are idiots I definitely think that he is.



:D

[spiderman]

Originally posted by spiderman
I took a trip to NYC this weekend in order to visit some friends, and was very disturbed by what I found.

Obviously, this weekend, the hot topic was the election, and my friends, all of whom are democrats, couldn't wait to jump on me, being the lone republican.

Some points:

1.) They seem utterly perplexed that it was even remotely possible that Bush could win. I saw many of them looking at the red county/blue county map scratching their head.

2.) For people who describe themselves as "liberal" they sure are close minded, prejudice, and opionated. I heard many comments along the lines of..."How dare those backwards hicks vote for Bush, afterall they owe everything to us! We do everything and they just reap the benefits."

3.) They seem stuck on 2 issues: Gay marriage and abortion. Not that these aren't necessarily important issues, but they can't get away from them. I tried explaining to them, that when I went into the voting booth, neither of these 2 issues were even on my radar screen.

*And in actuality it looks like forcing "gay marriage" into the spotlight may have been their own undoing.

4.) There is an extreme state of denial amongst all of them. They were all obsessed with the 3000 invalid votes in Ohio, instead of looking inward and figuring out what "they" as a party did wrong. This attitude does not bode well for the future of their party.

In recap, I've never come across a group of people so high on themselves, and so down on everyone else. A group of people who think that their opinion is the only one that should matter, and to hell with everyone else.

If this is the future of the democratic party, they are in more trouble then I previously believed.

Anyways...I quoted myself in order to bring the thread back on track, please ignore all the other BS and feel free to comment.

Thanks,
:)

[Ballbustah]

No takers...
What a shame....

[dchester]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Perhaps Spiderman is an imature idiot who can not keep himself from pointing out his political views over and over again.
All his friends are idiots....
Maybe he is too.

Enlightening debate....
All he says is the same old crap over and over again. Bustah, I've noticed that you've modified your debating tactics over the past few weeks. Instead of called people dumb, you are now calling them idiots.

Do you find that to be more effective?
:with:
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[Ballbustah]

I try to keep it lively at times.
If you use the same old, same old, people tend not to listen.
I change it up every once in a while to keep it interesting.

Plus Spiderman is fixated on Bush and his cronies.
You would think he would talk football once in a while but in most cases he brings up the same old crap over and over again.
It is very boring. I think Spiderman has a one track mind.

[spiderman]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
I try to keep it lively at times.
If you use the same old, same old, people tend not to listen.
I change it up every once in a while to keep it interesting.

Plus Spiderman is fixated on Bush and his cronies.
You would think he would talk football once in a while but in most cases he brings up the same old crap over and over again.
It is very boring. I think Spiderman has a one track mind.

Unfortunately I made the mistake of viewing this site while not logged in and came across this little gem.

let me say a few words.

1.) Ballbustah everyone in here thinks you are dumb, your comments look like they were written by a 12 year old.

2.) Your obsession with me has gone way beyond absurd. Not only do you follow everything that I write on this board, but now you make a comment about what I write on the football board. For the record, I posted a number of comments on that board yesterday, but the mere fact that you are searching both boards for me is very disturbing.

3.) Your constant mantra has been that I constantly repeat myself. Well let's see ... yesterday I started 2 threads. The first was on the political attitude in NY and the 2nd was about the appointment of the next Chief Justice...oh I see you're right all I do is drone on and on about Bush and is cronies...

4.) For a guy obsessed with what I drone on and on about, you never write anything other then "Bush is a dumb dumb" or "Bush is an idiot". Do you think this is funny? Or are you really just incredibly immature and think that comments like this are convincing?

In the end, I have way too much going on in my life to be bothered by the likes of you. I've grown way too tired and bored at your constant nipping, and if the mods are going to allow you to constantly harrass me, then I guess I'll just leave. In fact, I already feel like a loser for even wasting my time writing this.

Later everybody. :cool:

[Ballbustah]

Spiderman

Perhaps it is only the Bush supporters who think I am dumb.

Perhaps you look like an idiot to Kerry supporters?

Your rants on Bush are getting very tiresome. Why don't you give it a rest for a little while. Why do you have to shove Bush down everyone's throat? People don't like you pushing the Bush agenda every chance you get.

Please.... talk some football instead of politics.

[spiderman]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Spiderman

Perhaps it is only the Bush supporters who think I am dumb.

Perhaps you look like an idiot to Kerry supporters?

Your rants on Bush are getting very tiresome. Why don't you give it a rest for a little while. Why do you have to shove Bush down everyone's throat? People don't like you pushing the Bush agenda every chance you get.

Please.... talk some football instead of politics.

Oh the absurdity that is you!

Remember writing this:

Originally posted by Ballbustah I do not listen to Micheal Moore.... Perhaps you and Spiderman should do the same.


Why don't you take some of your own advice??? You don't get to dictate what is written in this forum. Just because you don't like to read what I write, doesn't give you the right to try and censor me. What a typical liberal you are...As I posted above, you rail about the 1st Amendment, then when someone like me comes along you harrass the bejesus out of me until I disappear, due to the fact that you don't agree with me.

I've repeatedly asked you to leave me alone and do your own thing, but for some completely insane reason you are totally incapable of doing so...my comments must be your heroin. It is very sad, addict.

Seriously, everyone this really is my last post.

Once again I apologize to the other sane members of this board for my inability to be the bigger person and ignore this idiot. I tried and failed.

[Ballbustah]

Do not assume you are the good guy and I am the bad guy.

Your perspective on the Bush administraition has grown tiresome.

It is true that your postings irritate me. That is why I respond. Your continual rants about Bush are exhausting.

I am under the impression that a person can respond to any and all posts.

You think in simplistic terms. Simplistic enough so they are irritating. Your Bush agenda is insulting.

I do not know how hard your head is but please think about turning off the Bush agenda BS. Please give it a rest. The MB will thank you.

Was that really your last post?

[spiderman]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Was that really your last post?

Actually No it wasn't. I've decided to continue to contribute on this board. I was a little grumpy this morning and (after a few cups of coffee) realized that I couldn't care less what you have to say about anything.

[Undertaker #59]

Feel free to take a step back from political bantering, but there is no reason to leave the board completely. Contributions on the main board should be kept separate from feelings in here.

Its one of the reasons we have a separate political forum, so that those who want to ignore politics on a primarily football-related board can.

[Ballbustah]

You youngsters....

You know everything.......

[spiderman]

Originally posted by Undertaker #59
Feel free to take a step back from political bantering, but there is no reason to leave the board completely. Contributions on the main board should be kept separate from feelings in here.

Its one of the reasons we have a separate political forum, so that those who want to ignore politics on a primarily football-related board can.

My issue had nothing to do with politics, it had to do with another member going out of his way to harrass me. Feel free to take a look around if you can't see what I mean.

I can talk politics all day long, but when someone posts things like: "Yawn..." or "Looks like no takers too bad" it is insulting and extremely aggravating. This has been going on for a while now.

But look, I'm tired of talking about it, and I don't want to be lumped in with him, as some immature idiot who just wants to trade meaningless jabs back and forth. This was what happened before. I put (said member) on ignore thinking that he wouldn't bother making his stupid comments if he knew I wasn't reading them. Apparently that didn't work. So I've accepted the fact that I'm just going to have to deal with him much like an annoying fly.

I just wanted to set the record straight that I want to move away from this issue and that it has absolutely nothing to do with politics and/or my ability to debate politics.

[Annihilus]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
You youngsters....

You know everything.......

You damn straight Bustah.

Except the square root of Pi. I don't know that.

Plus, I'm not young.

But other than that...... :D

[dchester]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Your rants on Bush are getting very tiresome. Why don't you give it a rest for a little while. Why do you have to shove Bush down everyone's throat? People don't like you pushing the Bush agenda every chance you get.

Please.... talk some football instead of politics. Was this post supposed to be a joke???

You complain about people making "rants" in favor of Bush, but you act as if your own "rants" against Bush are absolutely wonderful. It seems to be a tad hypocritical.
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[Ballbustah]

May be your as dumb as George Bush?

May be you don't know when to keep your yap shut.

May be stupid is what stupid does.

To me this political BS is devisive and should not be part of this MB.

People like yourself who only think about themselves have no problem bringing up topics that nobody cares about.

The truth is that you are like a dagger that is driving this MB into a black or white spectrum. You are splitting this MB into one catagory or another. People who only think about themselves do that.

You pose a question and then you don't like the way it is answered. Well tough bukaki...

Grow up and deal with your spankings with an adult manner.
Don't be so thinned skinned...


Originally posted by spiderman
My issue had nothing to do with politics, it had to do with another member going out of his way to harrass me. Feel free to take a look around if you can't see what I mean.

I can talk politics all day long, but when someone posts things like: "Yawn..." or "Looks like no takers too bad" it is insulting and extremely aggravating. This has been going on for a while now.

But look, I'm tired of talking about it, and I don't want to be lumped in with him, as some immature idiot who just wants to trade meaningless jabs back and forth. This was what happened before. I put (said member) on ignore thinking that he wouldn't bother making his stupid comments if he knew I wasn't reading them. Apparently that didn't work. So I've accepted the fact that I'm just going to have to deal with him much like an annoying fly.

I just wanted to set the record straight that I want to move away from this issue and that it has absolutely nothing to do with politics and/or my ability to debate politics.

[Ballbustah]

My posts are in answer to Spidermans posts.

Do you understand that?





Originally posted by dchester
Was this post supposed to be a joke???

You complain about people making "rants" in favor of Bush, but you act as if your own "rants" against Bush are absolutely wonderful. It seems to be a tad hypocritical.

[spiderman]

May be your as dumb as George Bush?

Unfortunately I didn't go to Yale, I don't have an MBA from Harvard, and I can't fly Jets.

*Do you know the difference between your and you're??? You seem to make this mistake constantly.

May be you don't know when to keep your yap shut.

In adherence to your own views, everyone has the right to view/post whatever they want.

May be stupid is what stupid does.

Huh?

To me this political BS is devisive and should not be part of this MB.

If you can't stand reading posts that aren't in line with your own views, then don't view them. Nobody is twisting your arm. Most of us enjoy hearing the other side and that is what draws us to this board. In addition, last time I checked this wasn't YOUR board.

People like yourself who only think about themselves have no problem bringing up topics that nobody cares about.

If people don't care they won't post and the thread will die. I think what bothers you is that people do contribute in my threads, and they are interested in the things I write, regardless of whether or not they agree. Most in here are mature enough to have an adult conversation.

The truth is that you are like a dagger that is driving this MB into a black or white spectrum. You are splitting this MB into one catagory or another. People who only think about themselves do that.

I repeat, everyone else is mature enough to contribute without feeling any significant divisiveness. Again I repeat, if you can't handle it, don't come here.

You pose a question and then you don't like the way it is answered.

You are more then welcome to contribute (thoughtfully) to anything that I post. What I don't appreciate is your personal attacks that have nothing to do with the issue. Again a sign of your immaturity.

Well tough bukaki...

You should lay of the fetish sites. Using this type of terminology is not very mainstream and speaks volumes about what you do with your spare time.

Grow up and deal with your spankings with an adult manner.

Once again this is a very odd sentence. Please see above, and lay off the fetish sites.

Don't be so thinned skinned...

You're right, which is why I decided to stay. Your plan backfired. I am now more determined then ever to contribute here. Hope your happy. errr I mean "you're"

[Undertaker #59]

I understand Spiderman, and I for one do not associate everything I see from you with Ballbustah.

Ballbustah, the potential divisiveness of political talk is exactly the reason why its a separate forum. It would probably do much more harm if all this took place in the main forum....unless you think that political talk should be banned altogether?

That's not a road I would enjoy going down, limiting what members can talk about. That is a lot of the problem with the NST forum of KFFL in my opinion.



The following is a general opinion, not meant for any specific poster:

Seems to me if you don't care about what someone is posting, its less divisive to ignore it than attack the poster, but I have a very difficult time understanding why people choose to pigeon-hole themselves on one side or the other and resorting to name calling when someone doesn't agree with you.

[dchester]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
My posts are in answer to Spidermans posts.

Do you understand that? I did understand that. I just didn't understand why you think Spidey's posts were any worse than yours.

In any case, I'll take the hint and stay out of this fight. We will now return to the regularly scheduled pissing contest.
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[Ballbustah]

Everything is a joke to you except when someone disagree's with you.

I have the right to voice my opinion.

I did not start off insulting Spiderman. Spiderman insulted me.

I simply asked that he give the political forum a rest for a while.

Apparently his quest to pose questions in the political forum is not done. He will continue to kick the crap out of people left and right wheather they want to read it or not.

I do not take his insults personally. I understand that he has a fire in his belly and he must tell everyone how he feels. He can't help it... I understand that.

I just feel like answering his questions...
If he don't like it then tough ****.


Originally posted by spiderman
May be your as dumb as George Bush?

Unfortunately I didn't go to Yale, I don't have an MBA from Harvard, and I can't fly Jets.

*Do you know the difference between your and you're??? You seem to make this mistake constantly.

May be you don't know when to keep your yap shut.

In adherence to your own views, everyone has the right to view/post whatever they want.

May be stupid is what stupid does.

Huh?

To me this political BS is devisive and should not be part of this MB.

If you can't stand reading posts that aren't in line with your own views, then don't view them. Nobody is twisting your arm. Most of us enjoy hearing the other side and that is what draws us to this board. In addition, last time I checked this wasn't YOUR board.

People like yourself who only think about themselves have no problem bringing up topics that nobody cares about.

If people don't care they won't post and the thread will die. I think what bothers you is that people do contribute in my threads, and they are interested in the things I write, regardless of whether or not they agree. Most in here are mature enough to have an adult conversation.

The truth is that you are like a dagger that is driving this MB into a black or white spectrum. You are splitting this MB into one catagory or another. People who only think about themselves do that.

I repeat, everyone else is mature enough to contribute without feeling any significant divisiveness. Again I repeat, if you can't handle it, don't come here.

You pose a question and then you don't like the way it is answered.

You are more then welcome to contribute (thoughtfully) to anything that I post. What I don't appreciate is your personal attacks that have nothing to do with the issue. Again a sign of your immaturity.

Well tough bukaki...

You should lay of the fetish sites. Using this type of terminology is not very mainstream and speaks volumes about what you do with your spare time.

Grow up and deal with your spankings with an adult manner.

Once again this is a very odd sentence. Please see above, and lay off the fetish sites.

Don't be so thinned skinned...

You're right, which is why I decided to stay. Your plan backfired. I am now more determined then ever to contribute here. Hope your happy. errr I mean "you're"

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
I did not start off insulting Spiderman. Spiderman insulted me.



That sounds funny. Sorry to make light of this dyer situation. But that's a pretty damn funny sentence. When taken out of context of course. :cool:

[Ballbustah]

Originally posted by spiderman
Unfortunately I made the mistake of viewing this site while not logged in and came across this little gem.

let me say a few words.

1.) Ballbustah everyone in here thinks you are dumb, your comments look like they were written by a 12 year old.

2.) Your obsession with me has gone way beyond absurd. Not only do you follow everything that I write on this board, but now you make a comment about what I write on the football board. For the record, I posted a number of comments on that board yesterday, but the mere fact that you are searching both boards for me is very disturbing.

3.) Your constant mantra has been that I constantly repeat myself. Well let's see ... yesterday I started 2 threads. The first was on the political attitude in NY and the 2nd was about the appointment of the next Chief Justice...oh I see you're right all I do is drone on and on about Bush and is cronies...

4.) For a guy obsessed with what I drone on and on about, you never write anything other then "Bush is a dumb dumb" or "Bush is an idiot". Do you think this is funny? Or are you really just incredibly immature and think that comments like this are convincing?

In the end, I have way too much going on in my life to be bothered by the likes of you. I've grown way too tired and bored at your constant nipping, and if the mods are going to allow you to constantly harrass me, then I guess I'll just leave. In fact, I already feel like a loser for even wasting my time writing this.

Later everybody. :cool:

[spiderman]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
That sounds funny. Sorry to make light of this dyer situation. But that's a pretty damn funny sentence. When taken out of context of course. :cool:

Spinal Tap quit screwing around...this is serious!!! :D

Bustah really wants to get the word out about my agenda, and how provocative I have been with threads like:

1.) What do you think if Bush nominates Thomas for Chief Justice?

2.) I think that my friends in NY need to get their head out of their arse!

3.) What if Arafat dies?

4.) Forged documents, if true what should be done?

5.) Limbaugh, losing his edge?

6.) The media bias is driving me crazy?

7.) Zell Miller's speech is in-line with the way my Father feels?

8.) Can we govern without God?

9.) Is campaign finance reform a disaster?

10.) If Kerry lied about Cambodia does that change your opinion?

Don't you see what I'm trying to do here? I'm trying to brainwash people by generating discussion based on open ended statements.:thumb:

[Annihilus]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
That sounds funny. Sorry to make light of this dyer situation. But that's a pretty damn funny sentence. When taken out of context of course. :cool:

Yeah - definately not as effective as "Hulk Smash" or "It's Clobberin' Time!" though....

But I see your point. :D

[Annihilus]

Originally posted by spiderman
Don't you see what I'm trying to do here? I'm trying to brainwash people by generating discussion based on open ended statements.:thumb:

It's pretty fair to say the you guys don't see eye to eye - I try to stay out of the 'discussions' that you two have. But they don't bother me too much - I've seen much worse on message boards, that's for sure.

I think it's basically just a matter of 'how long can you two put up with each other'. It's my experience with message boards that if you both end up staying around and manage not to kill each other, you'll end up in some kind of common ground of disagreement (I know - amazing as that sounds).

Stranger things have happened. Plus - it IS 4 years from the next presidential election, so things are bound to quiet down in this forum.

Unless W. gets a hummer in the Oval Office, that is. I have my doubts that will happen though.....

[spiderman]

Originally posted by Annihilus
Yeah - definately not as effective as "Hulk Smash" or "It's Clobberin' Time!" though....

But I see your point. :D

Great, now I can't stop laughing and I work out of a cubicle. My officemates are beginning to think I'm insane. I need my office back.

[Ballbustah]

I got a corner office....

[Oedipus Tex]

Originally posted by Annihilus
Except the square root of Pi. I don't know that. It's just "root pi." Bringing it down to the level of digits is so mathematically mundane. ;)

And besides, since pi hasn't been calculated to finality, you can't get a more definative answer anyway.

Who says nothing gets solved on political bbses?

[spiderman]

Some of you may have thought I was full of BS when I started this thread, well here's a column from a New Yorker...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&e=4&u=/ucru/confessionsofaculturalelitist

Unbelievable. This writer says all the same things that were said to me last weekend.

[Ballbustah]

72 percent who cast votes for George W. Bush, according to a University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) and Knowledge Networks poll, believe that Iraq (news - web sites) had weapons of mass destruction or active WMD programs. 75 percent think that a Saddam-Al Qaeda link has been proven, and 20 percent say Saddam ordered 9/11. Of course, none of this was true.

[Spinal Tap]

When Pat Tilman died, Ted Rall wrote a calumn and called Tilman and "idiot". I believe he was a bit more descriptive but I don't want to misquote him. He made reference to Tilman thinking he was "rambo".

Ted Rall is just like every other sore loser, he's just being a complete a$$hole.

I didn't vote for George Bush because I felt that his mistakes in Iraq were so aggregious that he did not deserve a second term. I didn't vote for John Kerry because I felt he was not even close to a legitimate presidential candidate. Say what you will about Bush (and most of you have), but he does not have the luxury of hindsight and sticks by his decisions, no matter how wrong they were. John Kerry doesn't stick by anything he does, he just wants to be president because hey...........that's pretty cool.

[spiderman]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
When Pat Tilman died, Ted Rall wrote a calumn and called Tilman and "idiot". I believe he was a bit more descriptive but I don't want to misquote him. He made reference to Tilman thinking he was "rambo".

Ted Rall is just like every other sore loser, he's just being a complete a$$hole.

I didn't vote for George Bush because I felt that his mistakes in Iraq were so aggregious that he did not deserve a second term. I didn't vote for John Kerry because I felt he was not even close to a legitimate presidential candidate. Say what you will about Bush (and most of you have), but he does not have the luxury of hindsight and sticks by his decisions, no matter how wrong they were. John Kerry doesn't stick by anything he does, he just wants to be president because hey...........that's pretty cool.

What disturbs me is that this attitude was coming from the mouths of my friends, whom I have a great deal of respect for, to say I was shocked at what I was hearing would be an understatement. I don't remember any of them saying that Tilman wanted to be Rambo, but maybe they were behind my back. I hope not.

[spiderman]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
Ted Rall is just like every other sore loser, he's just being a complete a$$hole.

Ted Rall was fired today...:D