Clinton Blames Dems

[bideau]

This is from the Boston Globe:

Bill Clinton
He feels Democrats' pain
By Sam Dolnick, Associated Press | November 6, 2004

NEW YORK -- Bill Clinton has a message for Democrats inconsolable after President Bush's reelection: Buck up. It's not that bad. You need to improve your image.

"This election presents a great opportunity for President Bush and a great opportunity for Democrats, and the two are not necessarily in conflict," Clinton said yesterday in his first public remarks since Democratic Senator John F. Kerry's defeat Tuesday.

Clinton, the last two-term Democratic president, said the party needs to rework its image and it would be "a mistake for our party to sit around and . . . whine about this and that or the other thing."

Weeks after major heart surgery, Clinton joined Kerry at a campaign appearance in Philadelphia last week and made appearances on the Democrat's behalf in several states, including Florida, New Mexico, and Arkansas.

In his speech yesterday to the Urban Land Institute, Clinton attributed Kerry's loss to the Democrats' failure to counter how Republicans portrayed them to rural and small-town voters.

"If we let people believe that our party doesn't believe in faith and family, doesn't believe in work and freedom, that's our fault," he said.

Democrats "need a clear national message and they have to do this without one big advantage the Republicans have, which is they won't have a theological message that basically paints the other guy as evil."

Clinton gave Bush and the Republicans credit for the election victory. "The Republicans had a clear message, a good messenger, great organization, and great strategy," he said. "The Republicans did a better job of turning out those who were already registered who hadn't voted" as well as bringing out their base.

Clinton said Bush should use his second four years to move the United States toward an economy less dependent on foreign oil, a move that would shift the balance of power in the Middle East.

Clinton also said a peace agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians would take enormous steam out of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism worldwide.

[dchester]

Clinton still has as much political sense as anyone out there. The democrats do need to figure out what they really stand for and rework their image, rather than whinning about the loss (and I'm sure they will in time).

One thing I really agree with what he said, is about reducing the need for oil. If Bush really wanted to get this done, he needs to start building nuclear reactors for electricity generation. We should have a goal to phase out all generation of electricity from fossil fuels in 20 years. We know how to build them, now we just need some politicians with enough balls to take on the "no nukes" crowd.

People keep talking about alternate fuels for cars, but this is something we have the technology right now to be able to do. The Seabrook reactor here in New England was the last one built (I think) in the US. It's time to get into the 21st century and build lots of them. BTW, it would create lots of jobs as well. I just don't know if it would be accepted, coming from a republican.
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[townes]

The democratic party is far too conservative. I say let's have the all out culture war that the right wants so badly and decide once and for all whether this country stands for freedom of faith or whether it wants to be the theocracy it has suddenly become.

I will never again support the democratic party in it's current "republican light" state.

[jim_vh]

Originally posted by townes
The democratic party is far too conservative. I say let's have the all out culture war that the right wants so badly and decide once and for all whether this country stands for freedom of faith or whether it wants to be the theocracy it has suddenly become.

I will never again support the democratic party in it's current "republican light" state.

townes, if gore had been elected we wouldn't have racked up another $trillion in debt and wouldn't be at war today. there are significant differences between republican light and republican.

[townes]

Jim, I agree completely, however I believe that there are still HUGE structural problems with the democratic party that keep it from being a true party of the people, which is what they should be imo. The primary problem is that are also in bed with corporate america, and, while they are more likely to go after drug company profits and more likely to enact and enforce environmental legislation, they also ignore dealing with major issues because of their ties to major contributors. The best example of this are the insurance companies, who are more responsible for the rising cost of health care than any other entity, yet their contributions to both parties inoculate them from real regulation and ensure that they will get any legislation they favor rammed through congress and down our throats. The same goes for the major media companies, who are running wild consolidating their power over all media, and controlling the flow of information to suit their narrow political purposes, as well as their ratings and profits.

I believe the democratic party should be a populist party that stands up for the average american and supports the rights and freedoms of all americans. I think they make a huge mistake when they try to satisfy the god and guns crowd, which is why i refer to them as republican light. trying to be more like the republicans isn't the solution, ridding themselves of their ties to those who really support republicans is.

I won't argue that there isn't a huge difference between the democrats and republicans, because there clearly is, as the republicans have left the realm of democracy and turned into a fascist party supporting a fascist government, but the democrats still need to cut their ties to big business and get back to representing the people to get my support in the future.

I contributed to the Kerry campaign and believe he won the election, only to see it stolen by those Bush campaign supporters who control the voting process, the secretaries of state and election supervisors , like Blackwell, Laporte, and Diebold. I believe that a true audit of the election would demonstrate the truth of this, but don't expect it to happen anytime soon. Despite this I also believe that the democratic party still exhibited complete incompetence by their inability to beat the worst candidate with the worst track record of any candidate who has ever run for the office of president. W should have been beaten like Allan Keyes was in illinois, that it was even close shows just how far the party needs to travel to get back on track imo.

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by jim_vh
townes, if gore had been elected we wouldn't have racked up another $trillion in debt and wouldn't be at war today. there are significant differences between republican light and republican.

plus, if Gore had been elected, social security would be all tied up in a "lock box" while his cabinet would still be deliberating on whether or not they should lob a few cruise missiles into Osama's terrorist training camps............or aspirin factories. you are correct, there is a HUGE difference between democrats and republicans.

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by townes

I contributed to the Kerry campaign and believe he won the election, only to see it stolen by those Bush campaign supporters who control the voting process, the secretaries of state and election supervisors , like Blackwell, Laporte, and Diebold. I believe that a true audit of the election would demonstrate the truth of this, but don't expect it to happen anytime soon. Despite this I also believe that the democratic party still exhibited complete incompetence by their inability to beat the worst candidate with the worst track record of any candidate who has ever run for the office of president. W should have been beaten like Allan Keyes was in illinois, that it was even close shows just how far the party needs to travel to get back on track imo.

townes, you are one fuct up individual. there is no doubt about that. :thumb:

[Ballbustah]

May be Gore would have made an extra effort to make sure WMD were not in Iraq.

Instead of flying off the handle like Bush and invading when there was no need.

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
May be Gore would have made an extra effort to make sure WMD were not in Iraq.

Instead of flying off the handle like Bush and invading when there was no need.

bustah, gore flies off the handle on a weekly basis.

[Ballbustah]

He is an angry man....

[townes]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
townes, you are one fuct up individual. there is no doubt about that. :thumb:


Great answer, demonstrates your grasp of issues perfectly.

[townes]

Can't wait for tort reform, all our insurance premiums will obviously drop dramatically, as the fascists have made clear that the lawyers were the reason for their high rates begin with. Health care costs will obviously drop precipitously as well, unless the fascists were actually lying the whole time:eek:

We'll see, that's for sure.

Radically lower premiums and health care costs, we'll see if the head fascist can deliver on his promises.

[Ballbustah]

May be we should invade Alaska?