Will John Kerry bring America down the way Al Gore did?

[Spinal Tap]

John Kerry has not conceeded in an election that, from all sane accounts, has been decided. Will John Kerry now contest the election and bring America to it's knees, much the way Al Gore did?

I guess the MTV types got their wish. The youth of America got out and voted..............but they voted for George Bush. I guess they only got half of their wish.

I am absolutely loving this!!!

[Ballbustah]

Your loving this????

Bush has gone from a surplus to a 3 or 4 trillion defecit...

Unemployment has gone up.

We have two war fronts going on.

The world despises us.

Our rights are being restricted.

I guess you have plenty to be happy about....

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Your loving this????

Bush has gone from a surplus to a 3 or 4 trillion defecit...

Unemployment has gone up.

We have two war fronts going on.

The world despises us.

Our rights are being restricted.

I guess you have plenty to be happy about....

1) It costs money to wage war.

2) I have an excellent job. I'm not unemployed.

3) Yes we are in the middle of a war, which was started by terrorists, not the U.S.

4) I don't care what the world thinks of us. Honestly, I don't.

5) My rights have not been restricted in any way, shape, or form. These charges are unfounded and irresponsible.

6) I'm happy that John Kerry is not leading this country in one of the most important periods of it's history. That is definately something to be happy about.

[Undertaker #59]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Bush has gone from a surplus to a 3 or 4 trillion defecit...

Much of the deficit is determined by the economy. Even when there WAS a surplus in the 90s, they didn't use it to pay off any of the National Debt.

Unemployment has gone up.

A recession was just starting in the fall before Bush took office. Of course unemployment went up. Its coming down now though.

We have two war fronts going on.

Yup.

The world despises us.

That is a generalization that isn't 100% true. Even so, it doesn't bother me much. :shrug:

Our rights are being restricted.

We have been losing our rights steadily for a hundred years.

[Ballbustah]

If we had the support of allies the war wouldn't be costing us so much.

Bush made a mistake in invading Iraq.
There were no WMD? There were very few terrorist there before America invaded. Now there are plenty.

With a 3 or 4 trillion dollar defecit our jobs may be in jepardy.

Bush makes mistakes in his decisions.

Do you people understand that we had a surplus. We now have a 3 or 4 trillion dollar defecit? How can you justify that.




Originally posted by Spinal Tap

4) I don't care what the world thinks of us. Honestly, I don't.

[Spinal Tap]

Bustah, I saw a clip of John Kerry on "meet the press" prior to the Iraq invasion. He clearly stated that Saddam needed to be ousted before his WMD made their way to the U.S. I saw/ heard him say that. You cannot use the Iraq war to defend your Kerry position. It's all hindsight at this point. Bush believed in it, Kerry believed in it. They BOTH believed in it and they were BOTH wrong. You should have voted for Dean if you feel that strongly about Iraq. He has clearly been against the war from the beginning. He sounds like more your kind of candidate.

[Ballbustah]

The Bush evidence was flawed.




Originally posted by Spinal Tap
Bustah, I saw a clip of John Kerry on "meet the press" prior to the Iraq invasion. He clearly stated that Saddam needed to be ousted before his WMD made their way to the U.S. I saw/ heard him say that. You cannot use the Iraq war to defend your Kerry position. It's all hindsight at this point. Bush believed in it, Kerry believed in it. They BOTH believed in it and they were BOTH wrong. You should have voted for Dean if you feel that strongly about Iraq. He has clearly been against the war from the beginning. He sounds like more your kind of candidate.

[Spinal Tap]

Bustah, are you telling me that John Kerry was just told by George Bush that WMD were running rampid in Iraq? Did Kerry not examine the SAME evidence that Bush examined? Yes, we were WRONG about Iraq. I agree with you. I was in favor of going into Iraq because I too believed that WMD existed and were eventually going to make their way to our shores. At this point, we cannot leave Iraq in the state it is in right now. It's unfortunate because it's now time to get out of there. I'm hoping that Bush can learn from the very aggregious (sp) mistakes that he has made during his first 4 years. He probably doesn't deserve to be president again, his mistakes have been that huge. But John Kerry and John Edwards were just awful presidential candidates. The Democratic party has got to find itself some good candidates for next year. I think that Howard Dean may have had a better shot at defeating Bush than Kerry did. It's too bad Dean lost his mind (and the nomination) on that fateful day.

[Oedipus Tex]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Do you people understand that we had a surplus. We now have a 3 or 4 trillion dollar defecit? How can you justify that. I understand this. But what's the problem? How can I justify it? I dunno...maybe its the right direction to be going in?

[Spinal Tap]

I just wanted to follow up on this initial thread. I thought Kerry had a lot of class in his concession speech. I also would like to thank him for not taking the advice of his ambulance chasing sidekick and letting it go. Word has it that Edwards wanted to fight this thing. Thank God we weren't dragged into another month long "hanging chad" controversy. Thank you John Kerry!

[Ballbustah]

The Bush evidence was flawed.
The President is responcible for the facts he gathers and the decisions he makes.
Kerry was working with the same flawed facts that Bush had collected.
The buck stops here.....



Originally posted by Spinal Tap
Bustah, are you telling me that John Kerry was just told by George Bush that WMD were running rampid in Iraq? Did Kerry not examine the SAME evidence that Bush examined? Yes, we were WRONG about Iraq. I agree with you. I was in favor of going into Iraq because I too believed that WMD existed and were eventually going to make their way to our shores. At this point, we cannot leave Iraq in the state it is in right now. It's unfortunate because it's now time to get out of there. I'm hoping that Bush can learn from the very aggregious (sp) mistakes that he has made during his first 4 years. He probably doesn't deserve to be president again, his mistakes have been that huge. But John Kerry and John Edwards were just awful presidential candidates. The Democratic party has got to find itself some good candidates for next year. I think that Howard Dean may have had a better shot at defeating Bush than Kerry did. It's too bad Dean lost his mind (and the nomination) on that fateful day.

[HOF]

Originally posted by Undertaker #59
Originally posted by Ballbustah
Bush has gone from a surplus to a 3 or 4 trillion defecit...

Much of the deficit is determined by the economy. Even when there WAS a surplus in the 90s, they didn't use it to pay off any of the National Debt.

Unemployment has gone up.

A recession was just starting in the fall before Bush took office. Of course unemployment went up. Its coming down now though.

We have two war fronts going on.

Yup.

The world despises us.

That is a generalization that isn't 100% true. Even so, it doesn't bother me much. :shrug:

Our rights are being restricted.

We have been losing our rights steadily for a hundred years.

Employment rates are misleading. The American middle class is "underemplyed". Likely cause? Multi national corporations moving overseas to increase the profit marging, leaving service jobs to replace those higher paid, health benefits producing jobs!

I am apolitical but am "political enough" to see that G Bush is not Clinton when it comes to "running a nation". As for "morality"? As a believe in Yahweh I don't condone extra marital sex nor "gay marriage", however, morality goes far beyond "sexuality and abortion". If any politician benefits a corporation ( such as multi nationals ) as the expense of the citizenry, excessively, that is, in my opinion, immoral!

[Mark_Henderson]

Originally posted by Undertaker #59

Our rights are being restricted.

We have been losing our rights steadily for a hundred years.

I wish Tap had said this because I'd ask if your loud amplifier went to 11.

100 years ago:

1. Blacks could not vote and were lynched regularly.
2. Women weren't allowed to vote.
3. Unions weren't allowed to organize.
4. Teddy Roosevelt had not yet passed anti-trust legislation to stop the robber barons from consolidating industry.
5. Blacks weren't allowed to attend universities or play baseball - discrimination on any basis was completely legal.
6. Hospitals had no responsibility to treat you if you were dying, they could just turn you away if you couldn't pay.
7. The police had no responsibility to inform you of your right against self-incrimination.
8. Child labor was legal.
9. If you were old or disabled and starving to death, tough - no social security or assistance of any kind.
10. No accountability whatsoever to prevent coal miners/railroad workers from being worked to death.
11. When did direct election to the US Senate start? That did not kick in for quite a while.

This list could contain hundreds of items, and probably some more pertinent ones than those I included.