Campaign trail dirty tricks.

[Flagg the Wanderer]

As I've mentioned, my brother is a "Red" political consultant.

He's been amazed at the dirty tricks in this election - the worst he's ever seen.

The Bush campaign has rented a fleet of Astroline vans in Colorado, to run out and bring registered Republicans to the polls. One of them was firebombed on Monday morning.

One county in Ohio has 815,000 eligible voters, and 865,000 registered voters, because in the push to register people, the Kerry camp has started a "$2 per registration" program. Among the registered Democrats in Ohio are Mary Poppins and Dick Tracy. One block in Cincinatti has 14 homes on it, and 53 different addresses of registered voters - all registered Democrats.

In Seattle, the Bush headquarters was burglarized, and several computers with their voter lists were stolen.

At a debate watching party at a GOP campaign headquarters, gunshots came through the glass window at the back of the building. No injuries reported.

As I've been saying, this crap goes on on both sides of the aisle, but the intensity this year is WAAAY out of control.

A word of warning to poll watchers. On average across the country in the 2002 elections, Republicans popular vote totals were 3.5% higher than the last reported polls. Republicans seem to have finally caught up to Demos on the "get out the vote" campaign, convincing the base that it's important to get out and vote.

Just some election-eve thoughts after stealing 15 minutes of my brother's time. I'd heard stories like this, but my brother personally signed the damage/destruction forms on the rental vehicle for the van this morning, so I figure I can go by his word.

In the interests of full disclosure, my sister is one of the volunteer lawyer-pollwatchers for the Dems.

[Ballbustah]

The above post is a totally one sided account of the facts.

As if somebody couldn't tell.

[Flagg the Wanderer]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
The above post is a totally one sided account of the facts.

As if somebody couldn't tell. Oh, it goes on with both sides, no doubt. Actually, I cut and pasted this out of context from my post at another site that was speaking exactly to that issue.

My point is that many seem to think that the Republicans have cornered the market on voter fraud - far from it. Republicans learned about ballot and registration fraud from the Dems, and the Dems learned about intimidation and suppression from the GOP.

While intimidation and suppression "seem" worse, insofar as it is more personal, they are two routes to the same end - one cancels out a legitimate vote, while the other prevents the original vote from happening. And both parties use both.

[dchester]

Vote Early, Vote Often
(This was a public service announcement)

:D
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[Ballbustah]

Flag...

Why post a one sided statement?
Why not include both sides of the issue instead of a one sided account?

[dchester]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Flag...

Why post a one sided statement?
Why not include both sides of the issue instead of a one sided account? Gee, I'm shocked. Somebody actually had the audacity to post a one sided statement into a political thread? What's the world coming to?

Ballbustah, I bet you would never do anything like that.
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[Flagg the Wanderer]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Flag...

Why post a one sided statement?
Why not include both sides of the issue instead of a one sided account? First of all, I stated as much:As I've been saying, this crap goes on on both sides of the aisleTo answer your question, 2 Reasons:

1) Because all the media coverage of any innaccuracies is focused on the other side. People seem to think that it's a one-way street. It isn't.

2) Because, as I stated above, my brother is very much in the line of fire on this. He has his ear to the ground and some of it is effecting him personally. You may as well ask why soldiers in Saudi Arabia send letters home saying that everything is peaceful, when things are blowing up in the Sunni Triangle. That's one sided, too. My sister is a poll watcher for the Dems today, but none of my family is a political consultant for the Dems, so I don't have anything to add that isn't readily available on the news from that side.
I suppose that I could post about stuff I know nothing about, but I thought I'd hold off on that.

[Ballbustah]

It is just that you overwelmingly posted a one sided scenario that puts all the wrong doing on the Dems.
According to your Brother the GOP has done nothing wrong?

You say that there are wrong doings on both sides of the ailse but you list only what the Dems have done wrong.

Sounds to me like your trying to make a point. A onesided point.

[Flagg the Wanderer]

Bustah, take a breath, man.

My brother was telling me about things that have happened to him and to people he works with and has spoken to. If he was working with the Dems (which he has in the past) I would be posting about the stuff the GOP did that he knew about personally or through someone he knows personally.

He didn't tell me about anything that he did wrong, and I'll presume that he hasn't done so. He didn't tell me about anything that anyone else has told him about stuff like that, either.

I was essentially reporting back what I was told by someone who has seen it firsthand. I made a point of saying that it happens on both sides. Everyone can see by picking up a newspaper or going to a news site that the GOP is accused of various suppression efforts. There isn't much being said about it on the other side of the aisle.

I *am* trying to make a point. The Democrats are cheating...too. Both sides will do pretty much anything to win this election. It's disgusting. That's my point.

[dchester]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Sounds to me like your trying to make a point. A onesided point. Maybe I'm just in a silly mood, but how do you make a two sided point?
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[Ballbustah]

Oh OK....

I just don't like it when a person attacks a particular side of an issue without giving both sides of the story.

I heard 4 years ago people in favor of the GOP were telling elderly and Africain Americains that the election was on the 15th and not the 2nd of November. Perhaps that is why Bush won?

[Annihilus]

Originally posted by dchester
Maybe I'm just in a silly mood, but how do you make a two sided point?

Maybe we should ask Thomas144 - he knows how to make NO-sided points, maybe he'll know something about two-sided points.

o:-)

[Flagg the Wanderer]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
I just don't like it when a person attacks a particular side of an issue without giving both sides of the story. I would point out the irony of this post if there were any. Because you so often point out Bush's most positive points and Kerry's failings. ;)

[Ballbustah]

It is quite simple really.
Instead of going off the deep end and giving only one side of the story you give examples from both sides.
Is it that difficult to understand?
Flag gave a one sided edition making the Dems look like the bad guys.... The GOP has been doing plenty of crazy stuff themselves.



Originally posted by Annihilus
Maybe we should ask Thomas144 - he knows how to make NO-sided points, maybe he'll know something about two-sided points.

o:-)

[Ballbustah]

You may be confused.
I have always been a republican but I voted for Kerry this morning because George Bush is an idiot President.



Originally posted by Flagg Wanderer
I would point out the irony of this post if there were any. Because you so often point out Bush's most positive points and Kerry's failings. ;)

[Flagg the Wanderer]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
You may be confused.
I have always been a republican but I voted for Kerry this morning because George Bush is an idiot President. I'm not confused, I saw you post that before.

But what I wrote wasn't about parties, it was about individuals. You aren't exactly balanced and a font of nuanced information about the sitting President.

[Ballbustah]

Oh OK....

He has spread out our military to the point were we may be ineffective.

He misinformed the American public about WMD in Iraq.

He is fighting two fronts now in the Middle East.

He has gone from a supplus to a deficit in the trillions.

He is holding our economy hostage because of the defecit.


I have been a republican all my voting life but I can not follow this President.
I have too many friends in the quagmire in Iraq.