the true story about media bias

[jim_vh]

Liberal media bias - Right ! (http://tinyurl.com/4gplx)

Sinclair Broadcast Group, owner of the largest chain of television stations in the nation, plans to air a documentary that accuses Sen. John Kerry of betraying American prisoners during the Vietnam War, a newspaper reported Monday.

The reported plan prompted the Democratic National Committee to file a complaint against Sinclair with the Federal Election Commission.

Sinclair has ordered all 62 of its stations to air "Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal" without commercials in prime-time next week, the Washington Post reported, just two weeks before the Nov. 2 election.

[Spinal Tap]

Isn't that exactly what John Kerry did? Did he not betray his comrades? I think he's a snake that has no business becoming president. I wouldn't vote for him to be president of my senior class let alon the United States.

[Ballbustah]

Did he?
Is he a villain..? Or did he simply tell the truth.
If all he did was tell the truth to American's how can you vilify him?
Vietnam was a hopeless battle with plenty of lives being lost.
The Vietnam War was a lost cause that needed to end.
Thankfully it did….

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Did he?
Is he a villain..? Or did he simply tell the truth.
If all he did was tell the truth to American's how can you vilify him?
Vietnam was a hopeless battle with plenty of lives being lost.
The Vietnam War was a lost cause that needed to end.
Thankfully it did….

What truth did he tell? He said that American soldiers were baby killers and were committing war crimes. The VC decided to use these tapes as an excuse to torture POW's, while Kerry was smoking dope with Jane Fonda. Are you kidding me?

I don't think anybody thinks that Vietnam was a good war to be in. But Kerry lied about his fellow U.S. soldiers to get himself some face time. How low is that? Is he a villian........looks like one to me.

[Ballbustah]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
What truth did he tell? He said that American soldiers were baby killers and were committing war crimes. The VC decided to use these tapes as an excuse to torture POW's, while Kerry was smoking dope with Jane Fonda. Are you kidding me?

I don't think anybody thinks that Vietnam was a good war to be in. But Kerry lied about his fellow U.S. soldiers to get himself some face time. How low is that? Is he a villian........looks like one to me.


There were several incidents were civilians were butchered.

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
There were several incidents were civilians were butchered.

And John Kerry was there to witness each of them? Didn't he admit to shooting a teenage boy in the back as he was running away? Isn't that a "war crime"?

The author of this thread was trying to point out that the media really isn't bias towards liberals. While there are media outlets that are biased towards conservatives, it is my opinion that the majority of media outlets are biased towards liberals.

[Ballbustah]

Was it a teenage boy?
I know he was in a firefight when it happened.
But this is the first time I have heard it was a teenage boy.




My brother was in Vietnam...
He said there wasn't a whole lot of verifying what it was you were shooting at.
My brother was 18 when he was in Vietnam.
He was a teenager.



The media biases both ways.
I'm a republican that can't stand the monkey face Bush puts on all the time.

[O_P_T]

If airing this movie is so reprehensible, then what was CBS's airing of Dan Rather's bit on GWB's service in the Texas National guard?

[jim_vh]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
And John Kerry was there to witness each of them? Didn't he admit to shooting a teenage boy in the back as he was running away? Isn't that a "war crime"?

The author of this thread was trying to point out that the media really isn't bias towards liberals. While there are media outlets that are biased towards conservatives, it is my opinion that the majority of media outlets are biased towards liberals.

kerry killed in combat an armed soldier. he testified before congress about statements made by other vietnam vets about atrocities committed. he never accused anyone of war crimes, just repeated what vietnam vets had said in the winter soldier testimory (http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html) . you ever hear of "my lai" massacre?

[Ballbustah]

Originally posted by O_P_T
If airing this movie is so reprehensible, then what was CBS's airing of Dan Rather's bit on GWB's service in the Texas National guard?


GWB's Air National Guard military record is suspect.
He was given preferrential treatment in attaining a position in the Air National Guard.

[Oedipus Tex]

Blah, blah, blah.

They were both honorably discharged. End of Story.

Anyone ever heard of an substantive issue?

[Ballbustah]

Pretty big difference if one went to Vietnam and one was protected by his father.

[Oedipus Tex]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Pretty big difference if one went to Vietnam and one was protected by his father. Both have questions about their service. Both were honorably discharged.

One was allegedly a perpetrator of war crimes, begged for medals for flesh wounds, and begged off after a couple months. Then proceeded to meet with the enemy without authorization from his superior officers while he was still on active reserve, in violation of the UCMJ.

The other allegedly was protected by his daddy, joined the Air Guard to keep safe, and possibly went AWOL for a couple late assignments.

Both have enough smoke around their service to raise questions...but both were dishonorably discharged. End of story.

What about the ISSUES?

[Ballbustah]

Big difference.
Kerry had the balls to go to Vietnam.
George didn't...

Most of what you read about the flesh wounds were put out by the Bush administraition or other inaccurate accounts.
They do not hand out purple hearts for scratches.

What Kerry did after serving his country was tell it like it is. It may have hurt a little bit but it was the truth.

Why is this not an issue? Is not past history an indication of things to come?

[Oedipus Tex]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Big difference.
Kerry had the balls to go to Vietnam.
George didn't...

Most of what you read about the flesh wounds were put out by the Bush administraition or other inaccurate accounts.
They do not hand out purple hearts for scratches.

What Kerry did after serving his country was tell it like it is. It may have hurt a little bit but it was the truth.

Why is this not an issue? Is not past history an indication of things to come? You want to be held to what you did in your late teens and early 20s? Hell, if you're looking for bad behavior on Bush's part, you don't need to go that far back. The guy's an admitted alcoholic, and a former drug abuser.

I don't gave a d@mn about VVAW. More power too him.

But unless I'm greatly mistaken, a junior officer meeting with the enemy, as Kerry did in Paris, without authorization, which Kerry didn't have, is a monumental violation of the UCMJ.

The larger issue here is that for you, everything that raises a question about Kerry's service is an innacurate account, while any smoke raised about Bush is a smoking gun.

At least I'm balanced enough to know that both guys are spineless monkeys who lie whenever their lips are moving. Neither is particularly good for the country, and neither is even in the center of their own party, never mind the national mainstream as a whole.

So, since I loathe both candidates, it all comes down to where they come down on the issues that are important to me.

On international trade, I go with Bush
On foriegn relations in general, I go with Kerry
On the war/terrorism in particular, I go with Bush
On the economy/taxation in general, I go with Bush
On the environment, I go with Kerry
On theory of law and order, I split...but probably Kerry by a nose.
On education, I go with Bush with grave reservations.
On fiscal responsibility, I take both out behind the woodshed and have them shot.
On who would be nominated for potential SCOTUS appointments, I go with Bush
On health care, I like neither, but I prefer the status quo to a governmentally regulated plan. I do wish that Bush had a plan to reform it, but...Bush
On general integrity and character, NEITHER.
On organization theory and leadership, I go with Kerry
On who most closely represents ME, Bush

So, who will I vote for? I probably hold my nose and vote for Bush. But hell - what does my vote matter? I live in Texas, for chrissake!

[Ballbustah]

Originally posted by Oedipus Tex
One was allegedly a perpetrator of war crimes, begged for medals for flesh wounds, and begged off after a couple months. Then proceeded to meet with the enemy without authorization from his superior officers while he was still on active reserve, in violation of the UCMJ.


Pretty unbiased!!!!

You said the GWB was protected by his Daddy.... But your attention to Kerry's malfunction was a bit more aggressive.

Perhaps you should read some of my past posts.

Kerry is definately the lesser of two evils.
Was Kerry not telling the truth when he went to Paris?
That is what you have to ask yourself?

If it was true then I have no quarrel with it.

[PA_PATS_FAN54*]

Originally posted by Ballbustah

Kerry is definately the lesser of two evils.


....................enough said! :thumb:

[Oedipus Tex]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Pretty unbiased!!!!

You said the GWB was protected by his Daddy.... But your attention to Kerry's malfunction was a bit more aggressive.I used the word "allegedly" for both. Bush's looks like it has a better basis in fact, but the claims are less serious than they are with Kerry. I don't know what to make of all of it, and I don't have all the information to make an informed decision about it. Neither do you, presumably. I *do* know that both were honorably discharged. I also know that there are a whole host of other issues that matter more to me than what the Candidates did 30 some odd years ago about an issue that was at best, very divisive, and caused a lot of people to do sh!t they wouldn't ordinarily do.

Perhaps you should read some of my past posts.I bought the cliff notes.

Kerry is definately the lesser of two evils.Agreed, if you replace "Kerry" with "Bush"
Was Kerry not telling the truth when he went to Paris?
That is what you have to ask yourself?

If it was true then I have no quarrel with it. ?????

What? You don't have a problem with a junior officer meeting with an official enemy delegation without authorization, as long as what he tells them is true? What planet are you from?

*IF* this allegation about Kerry is true, it is WORLDS worse than anything Bush has been accused of doing re: Vietnam and military service.

[Ballbustah]

Kerry was negotiating the release of POW's.

I'm from another planet alright. One were you just don't believe anything you hear.

[O_P_T]

Ballbustah,

My post was asking about complaint raised by the DNC.

I wasn't trying to debate the validity of claims made by either TV program.

The DNC is filing a complaint about the program.

Do you think their complaint is justified?

If yes, then could a similar complaint be filed against CBS?

If no, why not? How is what CBS did different than what Sinclair Broadcasting Group is planning to do?

[Ballbustah]

O_P_T

I did not say that airing the show would be wrong. And I did not say that CBS was not irresponsible for their airing of their blunder.

All I said is there were some misrepresenting of facts from both sides of the aisle.

The “Fahrenheit 911” is a misrepresentation of facts. It is a one-sided fanatical misrepresentation of facts... As I’m sure the "Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal" is a fanatical one-sided misrepresentation of facts.

People report what they want to report and try to get away with as much smoke and mirrors as best they can.
I have never seen the “Fahrenheit 911” movie and do not plan on seeing it. Just as I would never see the "Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal" movie. They are purely one-sided and not worth seeing.

[BizarroAnnihilus]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
The “Fahrenheit 911” is a misrepresentation of facts. It is a one-sided fanatical misrepresentation of facts... As I’m sure the "Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal" is a fanatical one-sided misrepresentation of facts.

People report what they want to report and try to get away with as much smoke and mirrors as best they can.
I have never seen the “Fahrenheit 911” movie and do not plan on seeing it. Just as I would never see the "Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal" movie. They are purely one-sided and not worth seeing.

Holy crap Ballbustah...We actually agree on something!!!

[Ballbustah]

:toast:

[HOF]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
What truth did he tell? He said that American soldiers were baby killers and were committing war crimes. The VC decided to use these tapes as an excuse to torture POW's, while Kerry was smoking dope with Jane Fonda. Are you kidding me?

I don't think anybody thinks that Vietnam was a good war to be in. But Kerry lied about his fellow U.S. soldiers to get himself some face time. How low is that? Is he a villian........looks like one to me.

How do you know he lied?

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by HOF
How do you know he lied?

I don't, how do you know he didn't? Enough said.

[jim_vh]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
I don't, how do you know he didn't? Enough said.

spinal tap, i know you don't want to ****ing hear about it but I posted a link above to his testimony. kerry never testified that he knew that atrocities were committed by seeing them. he testified that vietnam vets themselves said they had committed war crimes and had seen them committed. again, you ever hear of my lai?

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by jim_vh
spinal tap, i know you don't want to ****ing hear about it but I posted a link above to his testimony. kerry never testified that he knew that atrocities were committed by seeing them. he testified that vietnam vets themselves said they had committed war crimes and had seen them committed. again, you ever hear of my lai?

my lai, yeah I've heard of her. doesn't she work at Club Supersex on St. Catherine's street?

[Ballbustah]

I wish I was on St. Catherine's street right now!

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
I wish I was on St. Catherine's street right now!

Me too! :D

[bideau]

Originally posted by Spinal Tap
Me too! :D

Nothing brings idealogical opposites together like a bunch of bad ass strippers :p

[Spinal Tap]

Originally posted by bideau
Nothing brings idealogical opposites together like a bunch of bad ass strippers :p

Especially with a good exchange rate, 2 for 1 beer specials, and $10 lap dances (with contact) :thumb:

[BizarroAnnihilus]

Originally posted by bideau
Nothing brings idealogical opposites together like a bunch of bad ass strippers :p

That's probably the most sensible thing I've read on this forum yet :D

If we would have taken some strippers to Russia, the cold war would have ended 30 years earlier than it did.

[dchester]

Originally posted by Annihilus
That's probably the most sensible thing I've read on this forum yet :D

If we would have taken some strippers to Russia, the cold war would have ended 30 years earlier than it did. Maybe if the Taliban would allow strippers over in the Middle East, they'd have something else to do beside suicide attacks.
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[bideau]

Originally posted by dchester
Maybe if the Taliban would allow strippers over in the Middle East, they'd have something else to do beside suicide attacks.

Very true, D. Why wait until you're dead to get 78 virgins when you can spend a few bucks while you're alive and get someone who knows what they're doing o:-) Besides, I'm not sure having that many wives is necessarily a reward :D

[BizarroAnnihilus]

Originally posted by dchester
Maybe if the Taliban would allow strippers over in the Middle East, they'd have something else to do beside suicide attacks.

You know I actually thought about that too....but don't they require their women to dress up as tents?

I also heard somewhere that they think they'll go to hell if they see any woman naked if it's not their wife.

Now that would suck!