Projecting the 53, Part II

[NewsZombieBot]

After two preseason games, a projection as to how the Patriots' 53-man roster might look.

More... (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/08/projecting_the_1.html)

[king of kings]

IT way to early to give up on crable he was hurt basically all of last year.

[PatrietteAz]

IT way to early to give up on crable he was hurt basically all of last year.

He has been hurt his ENTIRE NFL "career" not just last year. Injured and unable to get on the field for three years is not early. :shrug:

[Number Cruncher]

He has been hurt his ENTIRE NFL "career" not just last year. Injured and unable to get on the field for three years is not early. :shrug:


especially if those injuries take away a step...


with Belichick, you can either do the job or you cannot. There are no emotional arguements in his way of thinking...

[imapig]

He has been hurt his ENTIRE NFL "career" not just last year. Injured and unable to get on the field for three years is not early. :shrug:Wasn't last year his first year?:huh:

[PatrietteAz]

Wasn't last year his first year?:huh:

If so I am misinformed. :) NOt sure piggie poo.

[Grumpy_Bottom]

Wasn't last year his first year?:huh:
Yes, Crable was a rook last year, and went on IR with a shin injury.

[king of kings]

If so I am misinformed. :) NOt sure piggie poo.

Last year was Shawn Crable rookie year. So how was he injured for three unless your counting when he was in college.

[PatrietteAz]

Last year was Shawn Crable rookie year. So how was he injured for three unless your counting when he was in college.

UM read my post. It shows that I wasn't sure and was then informed .

[king of kings]

If any LB is to get Cut I still say it should be Tedy. the defense plays better with him not there and he was playing with the second unit on thursday.

[PatrietteAz]

If any LB is to get Cut I still say it should be Tedy. the defense plays better with him not there and he was playing with the second unit on thursday.

WOW..I am not sure no matter how Tedy plays he would get cut..but discussion?

[king of kings]

WOW..I am not sure no matter how Tedy plays he would get cut..but discussion?

BB has made a lot of tough not popular cuts in the past. Remember Lawyer Milloy cut a week before the season started. IF he stays ON it will be as a backup with a limted amount of snaps during games.

[PatrietteAz]

BB has made a lot of tough not popular cuts in the past. Remember Lawyer Milloy cut a week before the season started. IF he stays ON it will be as a backup with a limted amount of snaps during games.

Two different players..and I would hope BB would ask Tedy to retire and maybe coach and not just cut him. :shrug:

[king of kings]

Two different players..and I would hope BB would ask Tedy to retire and maybe coach and not just cut him. :shrug:

That is probally what BB will do if he does let him go. You never know what BB will do you can only Guess.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Bruschi is playing second team, but he was playing against Cincy's 1st team and wasn't too bad. If you cut Bruschi, your ILB depth chart looks like: Mayo, Guyton, Alexander. Lenon hasn't played yet in preseason, hard to grade him that way.

Quarterback* (2): Brady, O’Connell
Running back** (4): Faulk, Taylor, Maroney, Green-Ellis
Tight End (3): Baker, Watson, Thomas
Receiver (5): Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Edelman
Offensive line (9): Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Vollmer, Wendell, Hochstein, Britt
Defensive line (7): Warren, Wilfork, Seymour, Green, Brace, Pryor, Wright
Linebacker (7): Mayo, Thomas, Guyton, Woods, Burgess, Banta-Cain, Bruschi
Cornerback (5): Springs, Bodden, Wilhite, Butler, Wheatley
Safety (4): Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan
Specialists (3): Gostkowski (K), Hanson (P), Hodel (LS)
Core Special Teams (4): Slater, Alexander, Aiken, Ventrone

*Walter asked to remain available for re-signing in November.
** Morris given an injury settlement and cut, told to get healthy and be ready for re-signing midseason.

PSquad: Hoyer, Ingram, S. Williams, Richard, Love, Nunn, Orhnberger, Bussey

PUP: LeVoir, Tate, McKenzie

[king of kings]

Bruschi is playing second team, but he was playing against Cincy's 1st team and wasn't too bad. If you cut Bruschi, your ILB depth chart looks like: Mayo, Guyton, Alexander. Lenon hasn't played yet in preseason, hard to grade him that way.

Quarterback* (2): Brady, O’Connell
Running back** (4): Faulk, Taylor, Maroney, Green-Ellis
Tight End (3): Baker, Watson, Thomas
Receiver (5): Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Edelman
Offensive line (9): Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Vollmer, Wendell, Hochstein, Britt
Defensive line (7): Warren, Wilfork, Seymour, Green, Brace, Pryor, Wright
Linebacker (7): Mayo, Thomas, Guyton, Woods, Burgess, Banta-Cain, Bruschi
Cornerback (5): Springs, Bodden, Wilhite, Butler, Wheatley
Safety (4): Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan
Specialists (3): Gostkowski (K), Hanson (P), Hodel (LS)
Core Special Teams (4): Slater, Alexander, Aiken, Ventrone

*Walter asked to remain available for re-signing in November.
** Morris given an injury settlement and cut, told to get healthy and be ready for re-signing midseason.

PSquad: Hoyer, Ingram, S. Williams, Richard, Love, Nunn, Orhnberger, Bussey

PUP: LeVoir, Tate, McKenzie

I Liked what I saw from Tank Williams so far in preseason. IF he can stay Healthy he could make the team over McGowan.

[Box_O_Rocks]

I Liked what I saw from Tank Williams so far in preseason. IF he can stay Healthy he could make the team over McGowan.Not even close.

[Oswlek]

Bruschi is playing second team, but he was playing against Cincy's 1st team and wasn't too bad. If you cut Bruschi, your ILB depth chart looks like: Mayo, Guyton, Alexander. Lenon hasn't played yet in preseason, hard to grade him that way.

Quarterback* (2): Brady, O’Connell
Running back** (4): Faulk, Taylor, Maroney, Green-Ellis
Tight End (3): Baker, Watson, Thomas
Receiver (5): Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Edelman
Offensive line (9): Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Vollmer, Wendell, Hochstein, Britt
Defensive line (7): Warren, Wilfork, Seymour, Green, Brace, Pryor, Wright
Linebacker (7): Mayo, Thomas, Guyton, Woods, Burgess, Banta-Cain, Bruschi
Cornerback (5): Springs, Bodden, Wilhite, Butler, Wheatley
Safety (4): Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan
Specialists (3): Gostkowski (K), Hanson (P), Hodel (LS)
Core Special Teams (4): Slater, Alexander, Aiken, Ventrone

*Walter asked to remain available for re-signing in November.
** Morris given an injury settlement and cut, told to get healthy and be ready for re-signing midseason.

PSquad: Hoyer, Ingram, S. Williams, Richard, Love, Nunn, Orhnberger, Bussey

PUP: LeVoir, Tate, McKenzie

Crable IR or outright cut? I know fans hate injuries, but isn't it a bit early to be giving up on him?

[Box_O_Rocks]

Crable IR or outright cut? I know fans hate injuries, but isn't it a bit early to be giving up on him?Oops! :banghead: Now how do I fit him onto the roster? :huh:

[Oswlek]

Oops! :banghead: Now how do I fit him onto the roster? :huh:

Does the team really need a punter? :shrug:

[EasyBigFella*]

This team is absolutely loaded this year. I still think there will be one more veteran "surprise" to land on this roster. Not sure who.

[imapig]

Get rid of Britt or Wendell and keep Crable...

[Grumpy_Bottom]

Get rid of Britt or Wendell and keep Crable...
Works for me. There's plenty of mediocre O-line talent out there, even mid-season, Crable's upside warrants the risk of letting one of those two go.

[AllWorldTE]

How severe was Crable injured the other night? He looked to pulled a groin or something that is going to set him back again. You can't make the club from the tub.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Get rid of Britt or Wendell and keep Crable...:banghead: Insufficient O-linemen is very bad news. Until LeVoir comes of PUP and can practice again, you need Britt or O'Callaghan - and O'C is really struggling. Wendell looks to be the best of the interior OL, better than Hochstein at OG...unless you'd prefer Yates? :blink:

[Box_O_Rocks]

How severe was Crable injured the other night? He looked to pulled a groin or something that is going to set him back again. You can't make the club from the tub.He pulled up, I was thinking mild hamstring strain, though groin is a possibility. The kid has been working on putting on a lot of muscle in the past year and it's too easy to mess yourself up packing weight on that fast.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Does the team really need a punter? :shrug:I asked Hanson, he said he'd get back with you in February. :coffee:

[imapig]

:banghead: Insufficient O-linemen is very bad news. Until LeVoir comes of PUP and can practice again, you need Britt or O'Callaghan - and O'C is really struggling. Wendell looks to be the best of the interior OL, better than Hochstein at OG...unless you'd prefer Yates? :blink:
Get rid of the punter...:coffee:

[Box_O_Rocks]

Get rid of the punter...:coffee:Brady? :blink: :thwak:

[imapig]

Does the team really need a punter? :shrug:

Get rid of the punter...:coffee:

Brady? :blink: :thwak:Who said Brady? Box are ya dyslexic?:jester:

[Box_O_Rocks]

Who said Brady? Box are ya dyslexic?:jester:What? He's a punter isn't he? Or did he lose the job because of some anti-bionics rule from Polian? :shrug:

[imapig]

What? He's a punter isn't he? Or did he lose the job because of some anti-bionics rule from Polian? :shrug:Oh ok this must have to do with a remark from Polian that I'm not aware of...:shrug:

[Box_O_Rocks]

Oh ok this must have to do with a remark from Polian that I'm not aware of...:shrug:Tommy has pooched a few in his day...it must be a horrible realization to know you no longer feel it when your leg is being pulled - sad, and so young too. :sulk:

[PSC_Pats_Fan]

Bruschi is playing second team, but he was playing against Cincy's 1st team and wasn't too bad. If you cut Bruschi, your ILB depth chart looks like: Mayo, Guyton, Alexander. Lenon hasn't played yet in preseason, hard to grade him that way.

Quarterback* (2): Brady, O’Connell
Running back** (4): Faulk, Taylor, Maroney, Green-Ellis
Tight End (3): Baker, Watson, Thomas
Receiver (5): Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Edelman
Offensive line (9): Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Vollmer, Wendell, Hochstein, Britt
Defensive line (7): Warren, Wilfork, Seymour, Green, Brace, Pryor, Wright
Linebacker (7): Mayo, Thomas, Guyton, Woods, Burgess, Banta-Cain, Bruschi
Cornerback (5): Springs, Bodden, Wilhite, Butler, Wheatley
Safety (4): Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan
Specialists (3): Gostkowski (K), Hanson (P), Hodel (LS)
Core Special Teams (4): Slater, Alexander, Aiken, Ventrone

*Walter asked to remain available for re-signing in November.
** Morris given an injury settlement and cut, told to get healthy and be ready for re-signing midseason.

PSquad: Hoyer, Ingram, S. Williams, Richard, Love, Nunn, Orhnberger, Bussey

PUP: LeVoir, Tate, McKenzie



Good roster, Box... But I REALLY don't think there is anyway that Nunn, Ohrnberger, and Ingram all go unclaimed and make it to the practice squad. Maybe one of them will.. But I see KC, Denver, or Cleveland (or possibly some other team) snapping them up pretty fast.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Good roster, Box... But I REALLY don't think there is anyway that Nunn, Ohrnberger, and Ingram all go unclaimed and make it to the practice squad. Maybe one of them will.. But I see KC, Denver, or Cleveland (or possibly some other team) snapping them up pretty fast.It is what it is, a UDFA, a late 4th round pick, and a 6th round longsnapper...I don't see them being that popular out there based on preseason - the LS would probably be the most sought after.

[PSC_Pats_Fan]

It is what it is, a UDFA, a late 4th round pick, and a 6th round longsnapper...I don't see them being that popular out there based on preseason - the LS would probably be the most sought after.

I think just the fact that they were a part of the Patriots makes them instantly more appealing to other teams.. Especially the Cheifs, Browns, or Bronco's. Its pretty pathetic, actually... They'll snap up whatever trash we throw out there. :shake:

[Wandering Athol]

Offensive line (9): Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Vollmer, Wendell, Hochstein, Britt
I'm having a real hard time thinking they'll keep 9 OL on the 53, particularly in light of the new wedge rules.

[king of kings]

I'm having a real hard time thinking they'll keep 9 OL on the 53, particularly in light of the new wedge rules.

I agree they probally cut Britt . I think 8 is enough OL to keep on the team.

[Box_O_Rocks]

I'm having a real hard time thinking they'll keep 9 OL on the 53, particularly in light of the new wedge rules.I'm having a real hard time seeing how they protect Brady with one reserve T or one reserve G/C.

[Grumpy_Bottom]

I'm having a real hard time seeing how they protect Brady with one reserve T or one reserve G/C.
One reserve T until week 6, no? LeVoir showed a lot more promise at T anyway, and one has to assume that O'Callaghan is available if someone gets hurt and Britt gets snagged, which might not happen either...

[Box_O_Rocks]

One reserve T until week 6, no? LeVoir showed a lot more promise at T anyway, and one has to assume that O'Callaghan is available if someone gets hurt and Britt gets snagged, which might not happen either...One raw, rookie reserve Tackle until LeVoir is ready to come back - Neal started last season on PUP, he wasn't back full time until week nine. NE doesn't have to make a decision to practice LeVoir or IR him until week nine, then it may take him a couple more weeks before he's ready to play consistently the way it took Neal a couple weeks to work back into the line-up and replace Yates. Too risky for my blood.

[Grumpy_Bottom]

One raw, rookie reserve Tackle until LeVoir is ready to come back - Neal started last season on PUP, he wasn't back full time until week nine. NE doesn't have to make a decision to practice LeVoir or IR him until week nine, then it may take him a couple more weeks before he's ready to play consistently the way it took Neal a couple weeks to work back into the line-up and replace Yates. Too risky for my blood.
If it's week 9 (my PUP memories are hazy at best) then I would agree, they probably do keep an extra OL swingman. Any of the plattooners out there eligible for PS?

[Box_O_Rocks]

If it's week 9 (my PUP memories are hazy at best) then I would agree, they probably do keep an extra OL swingman. Any of the plattooners out there eligible for PS?A player may not start practicing with the team until after week six, the team then has three weeks to make a decision about activating a player or placing them on IR. If you leave them on PUP past week six, you have to start practicing them before the game on week nine, you then have three weeks before you have to make a decision. LeVoir could be available to play as early as week seven or as late as week 12, or he could still go on IR.

[Wandering Athol]

I'm having a real hard time seeing how they protect Brady with one reserve T or one reserve G/C.
Usually, only 5 OL play at once. I just can't envision BB keeping 4 backups when these guys have limited use on STs. Stranger things have happened I guess.

Orhnberger, FWIW, seems like a prime candidate to come down with a season-ending ouchie.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Usually, only 5 OL play at once. I just can't envision BB keeping 4 backups when these guys have limited use on STs. Stranger things have happened I guess.

Orhnberger, FWIW, seems like a prime candidate to come down with a season-ending ouchie.They generally have a minimum of seven active OL on game day, five starters, one rG/C, one rT. Seely liked three man wedges, he usually had one OL, one DL, and one TE/LB in his wedge. Reserve OL have always had limited ST's utility, generally the wedge and FG unit. O'Brien was using one OL and one TE in his wedge, so nothing really looks to be changing significantly that way.

You can make a case for eight OL if you have three reserves with at least one who is a four position player, then you have OL stashed on the Practice Squad, for example: NE began last season with Neal on PUP, Yates starting in his place, Hochstein, LeVoir, and Britt in reserve - but LeVoir was also a starting LG at Notre Dame. Vollmer, Britt, and O'Callaghan have never played Guard, though Britt has taken a few reps inside in camp in the past. None of the three would make me particularly comfortable if they were asked to fill-in at Guard or Center.

[German_Patriot]

Any of the plattooners out there eligible for PS?

PS-eligible OL: Vollmer, Ohrnberger, Bussey, Wendell, Connolly

[Dwight Schrute]

Bruschi is playing second team, but he was playing against Cincy's 1st team and wasn't too bad. If you cut Bruschi, your ILB depth chart looks like: Mayo, Guyton, Alexander. Lenon hasn't played yet in preseason, hard to grade him that way.

Quarterback* (2): Brady, O’Connell
Running back** (4): Faulk, Taylor, Maroney, Green-Ellis
Tight End (3): Baker, Watson, Thomas
Receiver (5): Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Edelman
Offensive line (9): Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Vollmer, Wendell, Hochstein, Britt
Defensive line (7): Warren, Wilfork, Seymour, Green, Brace, Pryor, Wright
Linebacker (7): Mayo, Thomas, Guyton, Woods, Burgess, Banta-Cain, Bruschi
Cornerback (5): Springs, Bodden, Wilhite, Butler, Wheatley
Safety (4): Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan
Specialists (3): Gostkowski (K), Hanson (P), Hodel (LS)
Core Special Teams (4): Slater, Alexander, Aiken, Ventrone

*Walter asked to remain available for re-signing in November.
** Morris given an injury settlement and cut, told to get healthy and be ready for re-signing midseason.

PSquad: Hoyer, Ingram, S. Williams, Richard, Love, Nunn, Orhnberger, Bussey

PUP: LeVoir, Tate, McKenzie

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After this weekends activity.


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