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AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 12:57 PM
The wife and I took in the first practice along with a decent, but not overwhelming, sized crowd. Unfortunately, it was an abbreviated practice due to heavy rain and lightening.

I'll post a few things that went on. Hopefully others who were there can join in and give a nice picture of the day. As always, I take no notes and do this from memory so there may be some errors and/or omissions.

Brady's wearing a brace as expected. He walks a little funny but I bet I would too with a big brace on. He took part in agiles and all the QB footwork drills and didn't appear hampered in any way.

No Moss, Galloway or Springs today. Mayo & Merriweather (who had a good day) were healthy and fully participating. Tank Williams was fully participating as well.

Maroney is not wearing a red shirt meaning he can participate fully. He was first on the base offense RB depth chart to start the day off.

There was no heavy hitting this morning, lots of half speed work, combo drills, and thud work.

It was odd seeing unfamiliar people wearing numbers 80 & 50 (as expected, Vinny C saw lots of SP Teams work today).

During pre-practice, the QB's each took snaps from different Centers while working on their run and play-action footwork. Brady worked with Koppen who is sporting a Matt Light style viking do.

At the same time, The O-Line worked on pass pro footwork in tandems. Vollmer worked with Matt Light on his drop step and punch from the left OT spot. Vollmer towers over Light BTW.

Pierre Woods was on the other field getting individual attention on his speed rush technique.

The long snappers worked on an overhead spiral drill as well. Most everyone else were either stretching or getting verbal instruction from coaches. D. Butler and a coach spent some time together talking technique before the practice started.

After this, most of the offense got together to run half speed plays against a look defense made up of other offensive plays. The offense worked on inside/outside zone and play action passes off those run plays. The script alternated run plays with matched-up PA Passes. The first play was an Inside Zone to Maroney and the second a PA Mesh to Welker sitting in a zone off the Mesh. The RBs worked in this order, Maroney, Taylor, Morris & Faulk. Welk had a reception on a comeback off boot action in this period as well. Julian Endelman was a favorite target during this period running deep crossing routes. (Endelman, later on during a team defense session on the look O, made a nice move and burned Parris Lennon who was in man coverage. After the reception, Endelman showed some quick feet & moves to break free down the middle of the field earning a nice cheer from the crowd). Welker & Lewis worked together on stacked releases, Welker running crossing routes while Lewis worked against man coverage on the back-side getting open rather easily a few times. He made a catch outside when the ball came his way off one stacked release. Welk was motioning to the Stack from the wide number one spot to setting up a nice 2 on 2 situation.

While this was going on, there was work being done elsewhere. The front 7 worked on fits. BB was with this group. At one point he got on Myron Pryor and demonstrated a nice two hand strike on him.

The rest of the defense worked on run game fits as well. It looked like they were working some specialty defenses.

Rookie Patrick Chung was way out in front during the team warm-up lap.

After stretch, most of the team took part in Indy drills while some took part in special teams drills.

Special Teams Coach Scott O'Brian worked with the Punt protection and cover unit while a young coaching assistant worked with the gunners on covering the returner on a fair catch and on their releases against single and double teams. The four guys getting work as gunners were Wheatley, Slater, Richardson & IIRC Terrance Nunn.

During Indy, a lot of work got done as players moved from group to group. I was scanning around and took a little of everything in.

The QB's threw their route tree as always and worked on avoiding pressure in the pocket . The QB's ball boy doesn't have the best hands I've seen. He fights the ball, dropped a few and doesn't have a good arm to get the ball back in. A few passes were dropped or went through his hands. At one point, someone in the crowd yelled out "look the ball in" to the kid. He later caught a Fade in the corner of the EZ that drew a sarcastic cheer from the crowd. He caught a few more and the crowd was on his side. I noticed that Coach Bill O'Brien has settled in nicely with the QBs and the offense in general. He is not only very vocal but also not afraid to tear into people having brain cramps. He yelled at the offense as a whole to "wake up" early in the practice and tore into some unfortunate soul who forgot his route during team offense later. I saw this coming as Gut looked to throw the ball to an area where there was no receiver. Gut found the offender and started explaining the route to the offender (couldn't see who for sure but Taylor was in the area) when Coach O'Brian blasted him.

The QBs rotated through some footwork drills acting as receiver and then rotating to the Q spot. They worked on hitting deep crossing routes off a short PA drop and were throwing 18 yard comebacks off naked boot action. Brady let a Comeback go through his hands in the front corner of the EZ which led to a loud OHHH from the crowd.

WRs worked on releases, route cuts, North-South cuts off the catch, and distraction catches. The QBs moved around working in different groups.

A four level throwing station was set up with each QB working different throws with a different group of receivers. Welker was in Brady’s group. The stations were working several different routes each. Brady worked some deep comebacks, Fades into the corner of the EZ and a nice route from the Slot that Welk ran very well. He was working a 14 yard Dig off a Seam release. After breaking flat across the field at the top of the Dig for a couple steps, Welk returns into the open void behind the Dig coverage. It's a pretty nice route. They used it during the Play-Action session in pre-practice as well.

The ILBs worked on Man covering RBs on check releases (ILBs simulating RBS here) while the OLBs and TEs worked together. Here, the OLBs worked on squeezing base blocks as run force and the TE's worked on single blocks from the LOS and from the H-Back spot. AD and Woods are first on the Depth chart. Vince Redd is a big dude.

The DBs worked on their reads and breaks and later the Safeties worked on coming up on crossing routes while the CBs worked single man coverage techniques. Bodden looked good here. Wheatley did not.

Later, the DBs worked on run force from specialty defenses. Tank Williams saw a lot of reps working as run force from just off the LOS while the Front seven worked on the other side of the field. Vince Redd stayed with the DBs to simulate the TE during this run force work.

The Pat's offense worked against a look defense running their heavy packages with no WR. They worked their three TE sets and their two TE, two Back sets as well. Morris was atop the depth chart during this period. Maroney and Taylor saw work as well. Watson and David Thomas lined up as the blocking Fullback during this period which was a thud period. One interesting wrinkle the Pats showed was in their three TE Set. They would line up both Watson and Baker in the Off-Set Fullback position on either side of the formation at the same time. Baker would then motion to the H-Back Spot and Watson would be in the Off-Set spot to lead black. This makes it tough on the defense trying to set to strength pre-snap. Thomas was the lead blocker in the two TE/ two Back set. One his first rep, he took a bad angle (he was not inside out) on a kick-out attempt against AD and got Taylor dumped on his ass when he ran into AD. Thomas took a better angle and got a good fit on his other efforts.

During team defense work, the Pats showed a lot of Man Free. They rolled into the coverage a lot as well. Merriweather and Sanders were the first Safeties up. Merriweather spent some time on the LOS. Merriweather had a pick in Man Free from centerfield off a pass deflected by Wilhite who was in man coverage against a deep crossing route. Merriweather and Wilhite had some fun on the return lateralling the ball back and forth. Merriweather almost had another pick off a second Wilhite deflection on another crossing route. Lewis was getting open easily during this period (but not having the ball thrown his way) which featured a couple of drops including one by Ventrone on a Comeback route. Endelman burned Lennin in a tight hole during this period as mentioned earlier.

The crowd went wild early in this period when Welker broke a reverse for a big gain. Unfortunately, the reverse was against the Pats' defense as run by a look offense.

Mixed in with all this work, were two Kick-off Cover periods. Two units worked half field coverage against a look KO team using shields. The response to the new rule regarding no more than a two man wedge was obvious during these periods. The look team was setting up deep with 2 two man units stacked atop each other about ten yards apart. It was tough to tell how it was supposed to work as their blocks pretty much turned into kick-outs for the returners, one of whom was Maroney. It'll be interesting to see how this works once the games start and they're doing this live on film.

The practice was cut short by the heavy rain and lighting. They did get a few Ghost kicks into the crowd before exiting the field. Ghost had spent the early part of practice simulating the long snap for the gunners and other such mundane tasks.

Other than the rain and the lack of real contact, it was a pretty good practice.

Oswlek
07-30-2009, 12:58 PM
That's it? :shrug:

Get back to us when you get some real information. :rolleyes:





























j/k :cool:

midgar8784
07-30-2009, 12:59 PM
"Brady let a Comeback go through his hands which led to a loud OHHH from the crowd.
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Why are they lining brady up at wideout?

Oswlek
07-30-2009, 01:11 PM
Great stuff. A must read for anyone who enjoy these camp reports.

Who was Wilhite covering when he was making these PDs? Was it good coverage or poorly thrown balls? Who was QBing at the time?

It sounds like you think Edelman has some chops.

TommyD420
07-30-2009, 01:12 PM
"Brady let a Comeback go through his hands which led to a loud OHHH from the crowd.
"



Why are they lining brady up at wideout?

Vick's coming. Duh.

Claremonster
07-30-2009, 01:13 PM
Vick's coming. Duh.

Yup. It's not Brady's knee we need to worry about. We need to worry about him spending all of Training Camp and the preseason looking over his shoulder...

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 01:14 PM
"Brady let a Comeback go through his hands which led to a loud OHHH from the crowd.
"



Why are they lining brady up at wideout?


They're not.

It's part of the drill I mentioned. The QBs rotate through the drill. While one throws, another simulates the receiver at the top of his route. They are just providing a target for the QB who is currently throwing. They're not actually running full routes. It's like target practice.

Box_O_Rocks
07-30-2009, 01:15 PM
Thanks AWTE!

Where you have Baker and Watson lining up in the backfield as offset FBs and Baker motioning to the H-back spot - where is the H-back spot?

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 01:18 PM
Great stuff. A must read for anyone who enjoy these camp reports.

Who was Wilhite covering when he was making these PDs? Was it good coverage or poorly thrown balls? Who was QBing at the time?

It sounds like you think Edelman has some chops.

I didn't see who was running those routes but the deflections were the result of tight coverage.

Edelman is very interesting. He caught a lot of balls early duriung half speed work which really doens't mean much since there's no real coverage but the play he made against Lennan was very nice. Lennon had pretty good position on him and was able to stop on a dime and make a grab on a back shoulder throw that may have been done on purpoise by the QB. He then made a nice move to get vertical and break through for a nice pick-up. Not bad. I think O'Connell threw that particular pass.

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 01:19 PM
Thanks AWTE!

Where you have Baker and Watson lining up in the backfield as offset FBs and Baker motioning to the H-back spot - where is the H-back spot?

2X2 off the LOS outside the TE on the LOS.

They can use it in a three TE set (although technically, lining Watson up at FB makes it a 4 TE set). They could also replace the weakside TE (Thomas) with Moss and split Moss out wide as well.

midgar8784
07-30-2009, 01:19 PM
They're not.

It's part of the drill I mentioned. The QBs rotate through the drill. While one throws, the other simulates the receiver at the top of his route. They are just providing a target for the QB who is currently throwing. They're not actually running full routes. It's like target practice.

So brady needs to work on his hands?

mikiemo83
07-30-2009, 01:19 PM
"Brady let a Comeback go through his hands which led to a loud OHHH from the crowd.
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Why are they lining brady up at wideout?he is going to play a slash type role this year...expect a lot of this as teh patriots incorporate a bit of te Wildcat into their offensive schemes

Box_O_Rocks
07-30-2009, 01:29 PM
2X2 off the LOS outside the TE on the LOS.

They can use it in a three TE set (although technically, lining Watson up at FB makes it a 4 TE set). They could also replace the weakside TE (Thomas) with Moss and split Moss out wide as well.Thanks, that was what I had pictured in my head, but it's the questions you don't ask... I don't know how good Baker is on "wham" blocks, but I'd suspect a TE who is good with them could do a nice job at opening a cutback lane out of this formation?

Box_O_Rocks
07-30-2009, 01:32 PM
When Light and Vollmer were taking drops together, does it look like Light does any correcting/refinement for the kid or is it just a bang-bang-next duo drill?

RoadGrader
07-30-2009, 01:33 PM
TYVM for this yuuuuuge offering for Us Faithful today AWTE :thumb::thumb:

we appreciate your taking your time to use your expertise to make us feel like we were there :clap:

I know I speak for many here in stating your not as cute as Mrs. B but what the hey, your at least a warm body :D

PatsFanLisa
07-30-2009, 01:36 PM
This was awesome, AWTE!!! Some real football stuff coming from a guy who knows what's going on. And quite a memory you've got there from someone who didn't take notes.

Great stuff!

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 01:36 PM
Thanks, that was what I had pictured in my head, but it's the questions you don't ask... I don't know how good Baker is on "wham" blocks, but I'd suspect a TE who is good with them could do a nice job at opening a cutback lane out of this formation?


Oh yea. The Pats ran a lot of Wham when Dan Graham was here and a little since with Ben Watson. I didn't see any wham today but it may have been in their. They did run Taylor on an Inside Zone with the H-Back (I believe it was Baker) getting a nice kick out on the DE to keep him of Taylor.

Box_O_Rocks
07-30-2009, 01:36 PM
You report Bodden looks good in man and Wheatley struggled, did you catch Wilhite in that drill?

Nice to read about Gute grabbing his receiver and correcting the route even if he was overridden by Coach O'Brien's feedback.

Box_O_Rocks
07-30-2009, 01:38 PM
Oh yea. The Pats ran a lot of Wham when Dan Graham was here and a little since with Ben Watson. I didn't see any wham today but it may have been in their. They did run Taylor on an Inside Zone with the H-Back (I believe it was Baker) getting a nice kick out on the DE to keep him of Taylor.Was that 7 on 7 or the look defense?

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 01:39 PM
When Light and Vollmer were taking drops together, does it look like Light does any correcting/refinement for the kid or is it just a bang-bang-next duo drill?

Light was talking with him and giving some pointers as they worked. They were working hard on keeping their inside foot up (no direct route to the QB) while keeping their backs straight and timing their punch. It was nice to see Neal taking full part as well.

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 01:41 PM
You report Bodden looks good in man and Wheatley struggled, did you catch Wilhite in that drill?

Nice to read about Gute grabbing his receiver and correcting the route even if he was overridden by Coach O'Brien's feedback.

I did not see Whillhite's reps in that drill. Bodden looked like glue in the reps I saw him getting. It's an artifical drill where the DB's read and react to the cues the receivers give off.

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 01:43 PM
Was that 7 on 7 or the look defense?


It was during that same period where Baker and Watson were lining up in the backfield together.

dfresh429
07-30-2009, 01:54 PM
AWTE - how many of these reports are you going to be able to give us?

This is must-read stuff!

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 01:56 PM
AWTE - how many of these reports are you going to be able to give us?

This is must-read stuff!

I'm not sure. A few years ago I made it to about 6 or 7 practices but last year it was only two I think. It depends on how many practices are cancelled do to weather. I'd like to get to about 5 or so. Here's hoping.

Box_O_Rocks
07-30-2009, 01:56 PM
Light was talking with him and giving some pointers as they worked. They were working hard on keeping their inside foot up (no direct route to the QB) while keeping their backs straight and timing their punch. It was nice to see Neal taking full part as well.A healthy Neal is a heartwarming sight - for NE!

I love reading how the veterans work with the youngsters, mikiemo83 can be proud.

Oswlek
07-30-2009, 02:02 PM
I'm not sure. A few years ago I made it to about 6 or 7 practices but last year it was only two I think. It depends on how many practices are cancelled do to weather. I'd like to get to about 5 or so. Here's hoping.

How about this. For every practice you get to I'll send you a dollar. That should more than make up for your time, right? :shrug:

Maybe we can get the rest of the board involved and even make it a couple bucks? :toast:

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 02:05 PM
How about this. For every practice you get to I'll send you a dollar. That should more than make up for your time, right? :shrug:

Maybe we can get the rest of the board involved and even make it a couple bucks? :toast:

Sweet...I'll be able to go the movies.....by myself:)

ParanoidPatriot
07-30-2009, 02:50 PM
Thanks for the report AWTE. How did Chung look in the drills?

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 02:52 PM
Thanks for the report AWTE. How did Chung look in the drills?

Sorry PP. Other than seeing him way out in front during the warm-up gasser, I never laid eyes on him again. I meant to watch for him and Butler but they didn't get many reps. If I make it tomorrow, I'll try to stay focused and see what they are up to.

Alk
07-30-2009, 02:59 PM
Vick's coming. Duh.

See the Patriots are a Wildcat team thread. :p

ItsGood_ItsGood
07-30-2009, 02:59 PM
AWTE,

Can you explain to me what a Play Action Mesh is and how to identify one?

And as always, don't be afraid to explain it to me like I'm 4 years old. I won't be insulted...

Box_O_Rocks
07-30-2009, 03:03 PM
And as always, don't be afraid to explain it to me like I'm 4 years old. I won't be insulted...:thumb: Nice to see a young mind developing and progressing each season. And thanks for asking, I forgetted this one amidst my general confusion.

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 03:17 PM
I saw on Christopher Price's blog that he has Welker catching a TD from Brady while working on what he speculated were Slant & Go Routes. This occurred during the period when the each of the four QBs had their own throwing stations going. Brady was actually working on Post-Corners with his group when Welk made that catch.

A Slant & Go (called a Sluggo) turns into a sideline Fade pattern after the Slant fake.

The Post-Corner Route features an initial break to the Post and then a break to either the front or back pylon, depending on where the LOS is. It's probably different for different teams but a rule of thumb would be, break to the front pylon if the LOS is outside the Plus 25 Yard Line and Break to the back Pylon if the LOS is inside the Plus 20 Yard Line.

The Post-Corner is a great route that can be used to attack Cover 2 & 4 and Man.

A quick pass version of the Post Corner (without the pylon landmarks) run with a Hitch underneath it, which is often simply referred to as a Quick Smash Pattern, is a great quick pass Cover 2 beater. The QB reads the CB. If he drops under the Post-Corner, he hits the Hitch. If the CB squats on the Hitch, he hits the Smash behind it.

The route can be used in other patterns as well. Here is a look at a famous game winning Quick Smash pattern used by Auburn back in the day. It's a quick Smash so the route is shorter than the one the Pats were practicing today but the Hitch/Smash combo is obvious. Watch the CB squat on the Hitch leaving the Smash open behind him as the Smash runs away from the half field safety. Cool Stuff.

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Dwight Schrute
07-30-2009, 03:28 PM
Fantastic stuff AWTE!

Just drippin' with knowledge.

Like RG. But his isn't knowledge. It's some yet unidentified disease. Probably from not properly cared for silicone-based materials.

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 03:31 PM
Can you explain to me what a Play Action Mesh is and how to identify one?

Mesh is a type of pattern that is run by many teams. The Pats ran it today off a quick Play-Action fake. Mesh can be run against either Man or Zone. It can be run a number of different ways as a full pattern or tagged into some other pattern combination.

A basic Mesh pattern features outside reads (like the Post-Corner talked about above that the Pats worked on today) that can be tagged. If the Pats see the Half Field Safety bailing out of the Middle of the Field (MOF) to jump the deep smash (P-C), they could tag that route to run to the Post instead. They would most often have another deep route opposite like a pure Go route. These deep Routes occupy the Safeties/deep defenders and opens up the underneath for the Meshers.

The Meshers cross the field one from each side. One is assigned to set the Mesh at a standard depth (on a regular Mesh from under center the depth is 6 yards). The other receiver is responsible for crossing right under (rubbing) the player who sets the Mesh. This acts as a pick against man defenders. The crossers are taught to settle in a hole versus zone coverage and to keep running while flairing upfield away from man defenders.

They are taught to read the coverage by seeing what kind of coverage the other crossing reciever is getting on the theory that if he is being trailed by a man defender, so are you. Seeing it run out of PA is unusual for me because you don't see it often (ever on my level) but I assume it's easily adaptable by widening the crosser's splits.

Here is Texas Tech running the Air Raid version of the Mesh.

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ParanoidPatriot
07-30-2009, 03:50 PM
Mesh is a type of pattern that is run by many teams. The Pats ran it today off a quick Play-Action fake. Mesh can be run against either Man or Zone. It can be run a number of different ways as a full pattern or tagged into some other pattern combination.

A basic Mesh pattern features outside reads (like the Post-Corner talked about above that the Pats worked on today) that can be tagged. If the Pats see the Half Field Safety bailing out of the Middle of the Field (MOF) to jump the deep smash (P-C), they could tag that route to run to the Post instead. They would most often have another deep route opposite like a pure Go route. These deep Routes occupy the Safeties/deep defenders and opens up the underneath for the Meshers.

The Meshers cross the field one from each side. One is assigned to set the Mesh at a standard depth (on a regular Mesh from under center the depth is 6 yards). The other receiver is responsible for crossing right under (rubbing) the player who sets the Mesh. This acts as a pick against man defenders. The crossers are taught to settle in a hole versus zone coverage and to keep running while flairing upfield away from man defenders.

They are taught to read the coverage by seeing what kind of coverage the other crossing reciever is getting on the theory that if he is being trailed by a man defender, so are you. Seeing it run out of PA is unusual for me because you don't see it often (ever on my level) but I assume it's easily adaptable by widening the crosser's splits.

Here is Texas Tech running the Air Raid version of the Mesh.

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Great explanation as usual.

It's amazing how the game has changed over the years and how complex some of the patterns have become.

Harrison37
07-30-2009, 04:04 PM
Great report, thx.

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 04:10 PM
Can you explain to me what a Play Action Mesh is and how to identify one?


I was thinking about this a bit more. Mesh is also a term used in the running game most often in option offenses. It refers to the QB and Dive back "meshing" (the QB seating the ball in the RB's pocket) while he reads the reaction of his key to determine if he is going to give the ball to the Dive back or pull it and continue to his next read. It's possible some people have heard the term used this way in the past as well.

Box_O_Rocks
07-30-2009, 07:41 PM
Reading a couple posts over at patsfans from the p.m.:

patsfanken:
-- Bodden was in tight coverage and "is the real deal."
-- Butler shows great quickness and potential, but he hasn't met a fake he won't bite on, including biting on both fakes from Moss on a double move.
-- Aiken is a quality WR who creates separation, catches everything, and he's "big."
-- He compares Edelman to Welker and reminds enthusiasts it took Welker four years and two teams to be great (I believe Welker need three years and two team, but who's counting?).
-- (late notes) In a brief look at the D - Brace worked at DE & 1-tech and did not look like "a fat NT type." He got off the snap quickly and kept low in his rush.
-- All the TEs caught the ball well today.
-- EDIT: I forgetted, OLB Vince Redd was consistently beating WRs down the field on KO drills.

signbabybrady:
-- Edelman is awsome.
-- Brady/Moss played well together.
-- Brady/Galloway appear to be still getting their timing down.
-- Watson ate the LB's lunch during one-on-one drills.
-- Adalius spent the afternoon in the backfield harassing people.

AllWorldTE
07-30-2009, 08:03 PM
Reading a couple posts over at patsfans from the p.m.:


-- Aiken is a quality WR who creates separation, catches everything, and he's "big."
-- He compares Edelman to Welker
-- Edelman is awsome.

I too was struck by how big Aiken is today.

I liked what I saw of Edelman. Very quick, good hands, get upfield quickly after the catch. Looks good for a recent convert. There's room on the roster for a project with upside.

PatrietteAz
07-30-2009, 08:45 PM
Reading a couple posts over at patsfans from the p.m.:

patsfanken:
-- Bodden was in tight coverage and "is the real deal."
-- Butler shows great quickness and potential, but he hasn't met a fake he won't bite on, including biting on both fakes from Moss on a double move.
-- Aiken is a quality WR who creates separation, catches everything, and he's "big."
-- He compares Edelman to Welker and reminds enthusiasts it took Welker four years and two teams to be great (I believe Welker need three years and two team, but who's counting?).
-- (late notes) In a brief look at the D - Brace worked at DE & 1-tech and did not look like "a fat NT type." He got off the snap quickly and kept low in his rush.
-- All the TEs caught the ball well today.
-- EDIT: I forgetted, OLB Vince Redd was consistently beating WRs down the field on KO drills.

signbabybrady:
-- Edelman is awsome.
-- Brady/Moss played well together.
-- Brady/Galloway appear to be still getting their timing down.
-- Watson ate the LB's lunch during one-on-one drills.
-- Adalius spent the afternoon in the backfield harassing people.

DELICIOUS words BOR thanks SOO much for the report. I appreciate this summary..since I have online ADD and can't read pages and pages.:)

Box_O_Rocks
07-30-2009, 08:50 PM
DELICIOUS words BOR thanks SOO much for the report. I appreciate this summary..since I have online ADD and can't read pages and pages.:)"ADD?" Is that the acronym for Adalius Dancing? You can get that online! How expensive is it? :huh: