What you think of this war . . .

[Ottawapatty]

Hey,

Now this whole "war" thing is a little touchy and this is my only forum to converse with Americans at this time so I thought I would pose a question for you. Now because it is touchy and people impose tone with written words I thought I would start off by saying what I am NOT implying in this question:

I am not implying:

US is wrong
US is right
Canada is wrong
Canada is right
This "war" is wrong
This "war" is right
This "war" is important
This "war" isn't important

Now the question I am asking,

Do any of you care that Canada hasn't joined in this situation with Iraq. We have decided to follow the UN (for those of you that don't know). I was just wondering if you knew of your neighbors action (or inaction) -- Like maybe around the dinner table it came up -- or if you didn't even notice or care.

Once again I am not trying to imply anthing just wondering what the feeling is around the US.

Thanks

Matt

[spinaltap]

not a big deal matt. i think we can handle this one without the canadian military might. but thanks for your concern.

[Undertaker #59]

I was aware prior to your post that Canada was not involved. It does not overly concern me....there are a lot of nations not involved and there are a lot of nations that are. Would be nice if they were, but this is still very far from a unilateral action.





Was going to add more, but I decided to just stick strictly to your question...this thread will probably blow out of proportion before too long and I did not want to add to that.

[pookie]

Matt,

I believe that all nations should be involved in removing a murdering dictator from his oppressive rule over his poor people. The U.N. has dragged their feet long enough. It's time for action before Hussein is able to do something horrible. As it is, once the coalition forces strike Iraq, Hussein may very well gas his own people yet again.

[BuckWild]

I can honestly say I don't care. Canada may not be partaking at this point in time but they also haven't been so vocally obnoxious as the French either. To remain neutral at this point in time is an understandable stance for Canada. Canada is not anti-US, they have set Spec-Op troops to Afghanistan to assist us and I believe if asked in the future they would be willing to assist us in Iraq if they are capable.

BuckWild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ottawapatty]

Thanks for the responses.

Very interesting points here. It is nice to get another point of view on them all. I'll be curious where this all goes.

As for shurkis I just wanted to say I really hope you can take on and defeat a country one-tenth your size that has been under worldwide arms watch for 12 years and faces a moratorium on its weapons making or else the US isn't much of a super power now is it. I wasn't implying you needed your help or that your country even wanted it. I was just curious if people thought it would further affect the Canada/US relationship from a political standpoint. I would be concerned if my sister state to the south decided to not enter in an encounter we deemed important. Not that you would need us, or that we would need you, but rather from a stance of why do they choose to stay neutral is there a chance we have overlooked a major point in which we should review. I am not saying that the US should do this, but if Canada were attacking (name out the of air) Switzerland and the US said, "Nahhh, this isn't what we want to be doing right now." I, as a citizen who sees endless similarities between our great nations would take a step back and ask myself why. I was just wondering in if any of my American group users thought the same way. That is all.

Matt

[BuckWild]

Originally posted by Ottawapatty
Thanks for the responses.

I am not saying that the US should do this, but if Canada were attacking (name out the of air) Switzerland
Matt

Not busting on ya OP, just the thought of Canada attacking Switzerland made me laugh my ass off. Nothing personal against you or Canada.

BuckWild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ottawapatty]

It is a really funny thought it would be a battle of apathy!

I'd give the win to them thought they have quick access to wooden shoes while we'd be all slow and clumsy in our snow shoes. (PS - I know the Dutch and Swiss don't wear wooden shoes, but we don't wear snowshoes so it balances out)

[BuckWild]

Originally posted by Ottawapatty
It is a really funny thought it would be a battle of apathy!

I'd give the win to them thought they have quick access to wooden shoes while we'd be all slow and clumsy in our snow shoes. (PS - I know the Dutch and Swiss don't wear wooden shoes, but we don't wear snowshoes so it balances out)

Heidi being clubbed by a snow shoe. ROFL

BuckWild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dropKickMurphy]

Originally posted by BuckWild
Not busting on ya OP, just the thought of Canada attacking Switzerland made me laugh my ass off. Nothing personal against you or Canada.

BuckWild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets hope it wouldn't escalate to the point where the Swiss Army launched an attack using those plastic toothpics from their knives....

By the way, Matt...No hard feelings to you, personally. I spent 4 years in Canada, and I always thought highly of your country and its people (Remind me to tell you the story of the night 20 years ago that my buddy and I got a hankerin' for a smoked meat sandwich after a heavy night of drinking...and ended up driving all night through a raging blizzard from Mass. to Schwartz's in Montreal, had lunch, and drove home).
Canada's stand in this situation is absolutely affecting how many Americans (myself included) view your country. Until now, most of us didn't realize how many of your countrymen hate the US. Now we understand that we can not count on people who put mayonaise on their fr--ch fries. I, for one will not be buying any more Canadian products like....ummm....ahhh....let me think....hold on, Ill come up with one....umm....Canada Dry Ginger Ale.

[pookie]

Originally posted by dropKickMurphy
Lets hope it wouldn't escalate to the point where the Swiss Army launched an attack using those plastic toothpics from their knives....

Eeek! Or those dreaded cork screws!

[dropKickMurphy]

Originally posted by pookie
Eeek! Or those dreaded cork screws!

That's when Canada launches a barrage of Tim Horton doughnuts. Yikes, this could get ugly!

[Hawg73]

I'm not thrilled about the tepid response of our allies to the situation but can understand why countries would not want to get involved in this particular situation. Nobody wants to take on the arab world (even the Iraqi infidels) after what happend to us a short time ago.

Canada is a perfectly fine country that seems to be able to get along with folks while we just seem to piss people off. The more I learn about the situation the more I realize that we are on an island. I try to understand the other side of the coin but what I come back to is that nobody sees it as a clear and present danger to them, at least not enough of one. Everybody has a right to an opinion.

They may be right about that, but I am convinced that given a few more years to develop weapons Hussein would wipe out everybody that he could get at starting with Israel and the U.S.
Eventually he would hit you guys also.

I believe in our leaders and also believe that leadership is a bitch. Hindsight is 20-20 and I pray that history will show that we are right to step in while we still can. To me the analogies about 1939 are not at all farfetched and we have seen what can happen to countries that stick their head in the sand even if it is much safer to do so.

Ask Bill Clinton what he would have done now when he had a chance to stop Bin-Laden years ago and chose not to because it was not politically desirable at the time. To me that is also a perfectly apt analogy to this situation.

[Patman12]

Personally I think Bush is a baboon, hence the picture; but, I support the pending invasion. I also supported Clinton in his decision to bomb Iraq a few years ago as well, so to me it is not about partisanship. It is about removing an evil, murdering, terrorist harboring madman.

BTW, France and Germany blow.

[pookie]

Originally posted by Patman12
BTW, France and Germany blow.

Eloquently stated Patman... Not exactly the words I was about to use, but the bottom line is the same. France has a massive hidden agenda. Somehow they believe they can gain something by trying to isolate the U.S. and make us out to be barbaric. Read this almost comical item I got in email.......

This is great, especially when you read the name who wrote it.

France Meets the USMC -- or -- A United States Marine in Bosnia

A funny thing happened to me yesterday at Camp Bondsteel (Bosnia): A French
army officer walked up to me in the PX, and told me he thought we
(Americans) were a bunch of cowboys and were going to provoke a war. He
said if such a thing happens, we wouldn't be able to count on the support
of France.

I told him that it didn't surprise me. Since we had come to France's rescue
in World War I, World War II, Vietnam, and the Cold War, their ingratitude
and jealousy was due to surface at some point in the near future anyway.
That is why France is a third-rate military power with a socialist economy
and a bunch of pussies for soldiers.

I additionally told him that America, being a nation of deeds and action,
not words, would do whatever it had to do, and France's support was only
for
show anyway. Just like in ALL NATO exercises, the US would shoulder 85%
of the burden, as evidenced by the fact that the French officer was
shopping in the American PX, and not the other way around.

He began to get belligerent at that point, and I told him if he would like
to, I would meet him outside in front of the Burger King and beat his ass
in
front of the entire Multi-National Brigade East, thus demonstrating that
even the smallest American had more fight in him than the average
Frenchman.
He called me a barbarian cowboy and walked away in a huff.

With friends like these, who needs enemies?




Mary Beth Johnson
Lt Col, USMC

[Ottawapatty]

I think you guys are crazy . . . no offence, cause I am crazy too, but the ONLY reason Frace is against a war is $$ That is right IRaq owes them tonnes of money it has nothing to do with oil or you being cowboys or them being pacificts or your past experiences as tourists or them having penis envy cause they are like 1-11 in wars (kinda like the Bengals eh)! It comes down to the almightly dollar and if the roles were reversed the US would want the money too. I don't care what you president or media cite as their main issues this is the problem it comes down to the cash and no country would be different.

Matt

P.S. - Stale Tim Horton's products would sting!

[Patman12]

Originally posted by Ottawapatty
...or them having penis envy cause they are like 1-11 in wars (kinda like the Bengals eh)!

I bet that they do have penis envy.

[pookie]

Originally posted by Ottawapatty
I think you guys are crazy . . . no offence, cause I am crazy too, but the ONLY reason Frace is against a war is $$


Well no, they're big friggin' spineless wu$$ies too. That's become evident. But hey, what do the French care, it's only the U.S...?

But a stale, glazed Tim Horton's donut could be dangerous for certain. It would surely inflict flesh wounds AND internal injury.

[bideau]

Originally posted by Pookie
He began to get belligerent at that point, and I told him if he would like
to, I would meet him outside in front of the Burger King and beat his ass
in
front of the entire Multi-National Brigade East, thus demonstrating that
even the smallest American had more fight in him than the average
Frenchman.
He called me a barbarian cowboy and walked away in a huff.

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

Mary Beth Johnson
Lt Col, USMC

What a great story to start my day. I'll be laughing about this all day long. Leave it to a frenchman to try to pick a fight with a 40 something year old woman. Lt.Col. Johnson represented her country and the Marines just the way I would have expected. My father, who was a WWII Marine, would have been proud of her.

[dropKickMurphy]

Originally posted by Ottawapatty
.....I would be concerned if my sister state to the south decided to not enter in an encounter we deemed important. Not that you would need us, or that we would need you, but rather from a stance of why do they choose to stay neutral is there a chance we have overlooked a major point in which we should review.......I, as a citizen who sees endless similarities between our great nations would take a step back and ask myself why. I was just wondering in if any of my American group users thought the same way.
Truthfully, Matt, all thoughtful citizens of both countries have carefully weighed these considerations. Although the vast majority of Americans (70% in latest polls) support President Bush's actions, there is still a plenty of soul searching going on. Is there a serious threat to us? How many people will lose their lives? Does the threat posed to us outweigh the potential loss of lives?
I myself believe we are doing the right thing, but it is a tough call. I'd say that I, personally am about 60% for the war, 40% against. Most of the people that I know, on both sides of the issue, are similarly split. We are not rabid warmongers rushing into this. Likewise, the vast majority of the people who do not feel that war is justified are not represented by the America hating leftist wackos who seem to dominate the peace marches. Contrary to what the french would believe, Americans are at least as well informed as any people on the planet. We are fully capable, and have the absolute right, to make up our own minds on these issues. As citizens of the only economic and military super power, we understand our responsibilities, and take them seriously.
Are we perfect? Hell no. Do we make mistakes? Absolutely. When you weigh our contributions against our shortcomings, has the overall impact that our nation made in this world been a positive one? You bet your ass!
As far as our friends go, this is not shaping up as the "unilateral" action that Bush's critics have tried to paint it as. There are 30-45 countries with us to one degree or another, and this number seems to be growing. I was not a big fan of Tony Blair in the past, but after hearing his speech in the Parliament I certainly am now. What a spectacular speech....he challenged the British people to stand up in the way that they have always done. There was no question in my mind that he won his country over.
My question to you, Matt: The nations that Americans have always felt that they could count on, the ones that seemed to share the most with us in regards to values and culture, have been Britain, Australia, and Canada. Now that Australia and Britain are standing with the US, how are the people of Canada feeling about remaining on the sidelines with france? Do a lot of you worry that when this is all said and done that it will be Canada, not the US, that may have trouble looking at itself in the mirror?

[spinaltap]

great story. the french are a bunch of pussies! as for canadians, they're just a bunch of french rejects that thank jesus each day that they boarder the great U.S. if canada were say, in the middle east, they'd be wearing turbins and praying to allah. plus, they'd still not join the fight against Iraq.

[dropKickMurphy]

Originally posted by shurkis
... if canada were say, in the middle east, they'd be wearing turbins and praying to allah....

I heartily disagree. They may be praying to Allah, but they would do so wearing their Tilley hats. They would never cover their fine mullets with turbans.

[pookie]

Originally posted by shurkis
as for canadians, they're just a bunch of french rejects that thank jesus each day that they boarder the great U.S. if canada were say, in the middle east, they'd be wearing turbins and praying to allah. plus, they'd still not join the fight against Iraq.

That's just wrong man. Canada is our neighbor and a great friend. Am I dissapointed that Canada is not siding w/ their friends in the U.S.? Yes. But that's pretty harsh to say that shurkis. I think Canada will come around. No morally responsible country wants Hussein to remain in power..... he is evil and must be destroyed.

[Ottawapatty]

Just so you know, with the exception of Shurkis I have been very impressed with everyone here. How nice they are, well informed and their love of the Patriots. I will continue to post here more regularly that the other four boards I am a member of for that reason, and because you guys break news faster than Pats.com or NFL.com.
However, I think I disagree. A little here with someone I have a great deal of respect for. I agree with much of what you said DKM, but disagree as well -- probably not in the same direction though. I'll start with something you said a few posts ago

"Until now, most of us didn't realize how many of your countrymen hate the US. Now we understand that we can not count on people who put mayonaise on their fr--ch fries."

Don't be fooled. It does seem like everyone around here hates Americans right now. They are just victims of the media the same you guys are. It'll pass, it is just an easy answer to a complicated issue. It is the same as reality TV, dumb people like what dumb people make, dumb people believe what dumb people tell them.

Second, Mayonase is F*CK*NG gross! Sorry for the profanity but the thought of my roomies putting mayo on fries (or anything) honestly turns my stomach. There is no words to describe my hate for this putrid substance. So we are one in the same on this one. LOL. However, I think boycotting France is silly, I think boycotting the Dixie Chicks is silly. The reason you are boycotting France is because they are standing in your way. The reason I am annoyed by France is because they are tearing apart the UN over nothing. There is no need to stop the US from bombing the hell out of Iraq. It isn't an issue worthy of destoying the effective tool know as the UN. You guys were going to do something regardless, I say let you do it.
Next up the question of whether or not we can look ourselves in the mirror.

Yeah, I will. I know that this "war" should not take more than a few minutes. Any casualties lost during this "war" will be done people killed by friendly fire (which I don't understand how this still happens with all the money and technology you have -- Canada operates overseas 24/7/365 and we have had 4 friendly fire deaths in the last 65 years and they were killed by American pilots, an unfortunate accident, still how does it happen, but I digress) this is because Iraq has no means of attacking you. Now if they do use biological weapons Canada will step in because that is crossing the line. Until now they haven't. They don't fund terrorists any more than Canada and the US already do. I mean the US sold weapons to the al-Qaeda in the 80s. One of our "allies", Saudi Arabia, is the biggest donor to this network. Aren't they your big target since 9/11. It turns out Osama and his gang HATE Iraq and the way it is run. They want a holy ruler. Saddam is a bastard, but a holy ruler he ain't.
All in all there is no right answer and no wrong answer, you don't all want to go to war and you are not warmongers, all Canadians aren't US haters. These are all things purpotrated upon us for the media. Go to war if it is what you think is best. I don't think it makes a difference in the long run. I would put money on it that in ten years time this will have just been a blip on the radar. It CAN'T and won't turn into World War III.
However, when and if WWIII does breakout I be you dimes to (Tim Horton's) donuts we'll be right beside the US (hopefully) fighting on the side of all things good and just.
Until then I am not too put off by this war, I mean worst comes to worst it is only pre-empting Arena League Football, at least they aren't wasting the NFL season (to show footage of one shack being blown up over and over and over and over -- quoting Wag the Dog) Speaking of which I have been renting some movies to brush up on this "war"-thing that is going on.

Ones that are appropriate include;

Bowling for Columbine
Wag the Dog -- so good, trust me you will realize what a joke CNN is after watching it -- I used to work in the media trust me!!
Patton
Platoon
Born of the 4th of July -- sometimes I find myself forgetting people are being affected with all of this grandstanding and gerneralzation in coverage.
Three Kings
No Man's Land - It shows how deep some disputes run
America - A Tribute to Heroes (Telethon Broadcast) (2001) -- really reminds me of the feeling of the nation in the aftermath
Super Bowl XXXVI - New England Patriots Championship Video-- same reason
Sum of All Fears -- maybe Iraq is the biggest threat in the world, although I wouldn't put money on it!

If I left any out let me know because seeing past conflict really gives you a different perspective on this "war". I can't stand the TV coverage of nothing happening and unfortunatly there is nothing else on so I have turned to movies.

Actually this has been kinda theraputic (the post not the movies) my WONDERFUL girlfriend and I have given up talking about it because there is nothing more to say, but my opinions and outlooks change every hour. I hope nobody was offended by anything I wrote here and I hope I can still post football related topics here without these opinions hanging over my head.

Until next time,

Matt

[spinaltap]

sorry i don't impress you ottawa. i'll try harder next time. every time i go to canada all i encounter is a bunch of french a-holes that hate americans. so, maybe personal experience doesn't matter as much as diplomatic "friendship". again, sorry not to impress ottawa. you the man.

Originally posted by Ottawapatty
Just so you know, with the exception of Shurkis I have been very impressed with everyone here.

Classic. ROFL

See Shurkis, there you go. An unsolicited testimonial to your net worth on this board.

[Ottawapatty]

Not a problem Shurkis,

I swear as soon as you choose to use grammar properly, respect other's points of views, have an intelligent thought about football, stop being racist, prove to me (or anyone at Patsplanet) your IQ was higher than the temperature at the Snowbowl, if you lose the apparent chip on your shoulder that forces you to respond to everything with anger and hatred, I will contact you. I will publicly state on Patriotsplanet.com that I have been impressed with your insight on that topic.

Sincerely,

Matt

[pookie]

Ah-ha!!

[spinaltap]

thanks for the boost of confidence matty. i'll tell ya what. if i'm ever in ottawa i'll look you up and we can go get a crepe or something. your insults are amusing, as is your country.

as for you "no respect", your lack of integrity clearly states the relavance of your screen name. you don't deserve any respect, therefore you'll get none.

[Undertaker #59]

Matt,

Another "war" movie I would suggest adding to your list is Saving Private Ryan....not only a good movie, but excellent on a surround sound system ;)

[dropKickMurphy]

Matt -

A few more to add to your list:
- Black Hawk Down
- Enemy at the Gates
- The Deer Hunter
- "South Park:Bigger, Longer, Uncut" Notable for the famous song "Blame Canada". Just kidding. ;)


If you're looking for some good books on the subject, here are some suggestions:

"Ghost Soldiers" by Hampton Side...Tells the story of the survivors of the Bataan Death March, and their rescue from a Japanese POW camp by US Army Rangers. Unbelievable brutality, survival, and courage.

Both of these are by Tim O'Brien:
"Going After Cacciato"
"The Things They Carried"
O'Brien served in Viet Nam, and although these books are fiction, they are rooted in his experiences. He has some real unique twists to his books and is a great story teller.

"Stand Firm Ye Boys from Maine: The 20th Maine of the Gettysburg Campaign" by Thomas A. Desjardin

[pookie]

War movie - Apocalypse Now

[bideau]

War Movies...These are some of my favorites:

Saving Private Ryan
The Thin Red Line
We Were Soldiers
Platoon
The Deer Hunter
The Dirty Dozen
A Bridge too Far

Many, many more on my list. This is my favorite genre of movie.

[Patman12]

Full metal jacket.

[Ottawapatty]

Full Metal Jacket Rules!! Speaking of wicked movies I just bought Bull Durham (best baseball movie ever!!!!) tonight for $2 (vhs) I was soooo pumped. Also, I hate to be a whiner, but I thought Black Hawk Down was terrible! THe director (who I ussually love) didn't build the characters and the story was just really weird to watch. I loved to look at it in the documentary style I just was kinda cheering for everyone on both sides to die! Maybe it hurt that I knew the ending because it was a true story.

Another wicked war movie although it was Stripes it was hilarious. I loved Bill Murray talking about war like football. Anyways just my $0.02.

Peas and love,

Matt

[Hawg73]

Originally posted by Ottawapatty
. I loved to look at it in the documentary style I just was kinda cheering for everyone on both sides to die!

Peas and love,

Matt

I was going to ask you sincerely if you could help me understand why people from other countries hate us so much. Really, I was.
Then I saw this comment.

Tell me OP, why were you cheering for everybody to die? Did you really mean to say that? Because I wasn't cheering for brave men to die and their families to be let fatherless etc. and don't find your usually amusing comments the least bit amusing here.

Please enlighten me, but since I'm just a dumbass, cowboy American try not to use any really big words.

[Ottawapatty]

Actually I can see how that sounds bad if you don't know how I (personally) talk about movies. I meant (because I remembered the story from the news) that everyone dies in the film because that is what happened in real life. Therefore I knew the end of the film would come shortly after the cast perished. I wanted their characters to die and the movie to be finished. I don't want people to actually die in real life and I feel bad for those involved in the actual incident and their families. I apologize if it seemed I wished any harm to any people that actually walked this earth and fought in what they believed in or at the least what they commanders told them to fight for. However, as much as I like Josh Hartnett (and I actually do) I was wishing his CHARACTER to a speedy ill-fate in this circumstance because the director failed to make me care about him or his peril. Congrats on calling me on that statement as I wrote it the words made sense in my head, but I failed to communicate them properly. I stand by the fact I thought the movie was poorly done (and that alone has been enough to draw heat from many of my American friends) however I don't criticize the tale, those involved (on either side) or the people affected by it. I stand by what I said, I am just using this time to clarify what I meant by it. The funny thing is if I was a politician I would be out of a job right now. I wouldn't have been granted a fair chance to respond to my muddled statement. Kinda makes me respect them a little more and you too Hawg for giving me the chance to digress on this topic.

Peas and Love,

Matt

[Ottawapatty]

In addition to this I have a question.

Where did all this cowboy crap come from? Is it because GWB is a Texan. If so that makes me laugh. You have all these idealist left-wing morons (I am a leftist -- I think -- however I am also a realist not a moron) and the French saying how the US uses stereotypes to control the masses and their ignorance is overwhelming. Therefore, to judge 200-million+ people by their leader is unbelievably ironic. I mean imagine if you pictured Canadians by our leader.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/features/chretien/


Dear God, that would be heartbreaking eh!

Matt

[Ottawapatty]

Sorry all, this will work better, still is this cowboy stuff new or am I just out of the loop on this one?

Matt

[Hawg73]

Okay OP, apology accepted. I thought it was something like that. You don't strike me as the type to revel in death or anything.

Cowboy stuff? I really don't know but it seems pervasive in other nations to perceive us that way so I adopted the phraseology.

I've been know to mis-speak on occasion so let's call off the border war.

[Ottawapatty]

Yeah, but I have heard others using that cowboy stuff too, it just strikes me as really ignorant when some people say it. People who probably think ya'll where Stetson hats to work and go to the Rodeo every night unless you live in NY. I find more of my University friends talk like that it is weird.

As for the boder war it is heartbreaking to think that i just had to go to get a passport for a trip to Chicago this July and Boston this September. Just weird, necessary, but weird. I think weird is my word of the day.

Peas,

Matt

[Hawg73]

No kidding? I didn't realize that was necessary. Is that a two-way street or just for foreign nationals to enter the US? Cripes, when I went to Toronto a while back I had to remind myself I was in a different country.

Can't say the same about Quebec though, they have their subtle little ways to remind you that is the case.

Have you been to Chicago before? What a friggin' great city - I could give you a few tips.

[pookie]

Originally posted by Hawg73
No kidding? I didn't realize that was necessary. Is that a two-way street or just for foreign nationals to enter the US? Cripes, when I went to Toronto a while back I had to remind myself I was in a different country.

Can't say the same about Quebec though, they have their subtle little ways to remind you that is the case.

Have you been to Chicago before? What a friggin' great city - I could give you a few tips.

Americans don't need a passport to enter Canada. A couple forms of ID and and a birth certificate are adequate. At least this is the way it was even in late September of 2001 when I had to fly into Toronto for a drive to Belleville and London, then in October to Vancouver. The scary thing here was that I had to board a 767 (9/11 terrorists missile of choice) in Dallas for a non-stop to Toronto...yikes!

But don't ever go to Canada for a short business trip and make the mistake of actually telling customs that you're entering Canada for business.... For Chrissakes, I thought I was an extra in Midnight Express, or whatever that drug smuggling movie was. Customs sent me to a "special" booth for questioning, then proceeded to take $150 (U.S.) from me for a temporary work visa. Of course they would not accept my company Amex either. It had to be as inconvenient and painful as possible for the business traveler so I had to give Dudley Doright my checking account bank card.

[Hawg73]

Originally posted by pookie
Americans don't need a passport to enter Canada. A couple forms of ID and and a birth certificate are adequate. At least this is the way it was even in late September of 2001 when I had to fly into Toronto for a drive to Belleville and London, then in October to Vancouver. The scary thing here was that I had to board a 767 (9/11 terrorists missile of choice) in Dallas for a non-stop to Toronto...yikes!

But don't ever go to Canada for a short business trip and make the mistake of actually telling customs that you're entering Canada for business.... For Chrissakes, I thought I was an extra in Midnight Express, or whatever that drug smuggling movie was. Customs sent me to a "special" booth for questioning, then proceeded to take $150 (U.S.) from me for a temporary work visa. Of course they would not accept my company Amex either. It had to be as inconvenient and painful as possible for the business traveler so I had to give Dudley Doright my checking account bank card.

I had the terrifying experience of being detained at the Canadian border because they found pot seeds in the car I was in. They let us go but not before scaring the crap out of us.

Yes, it was Midnight Express - the Fatal Attraction of drug movies. I saw that flick recently for about the 7th time - a classic.

[pookie]

Originally posted by Hawg73
I had the terrifying experience of being detained at the Canadian border because they found pot seeds in the car I was in. They let us go but not before scaring the crap out of us.

Yes, it was Midnight Express - the Fatal Attraction of drug movies. I saw that flick recently for about the 7th time - a classic.

I must also add that once in Canada, I liked it just fine. I went to Montreal when I was about 17 with my older brothers on a sports tour trip to a B's/Habs game. St. Catherine's Street was friggin' awesome.

But my recent business trips to Canada were also quite enjoyable. I spent at least a week in London ON, Belleville ON, Chilliwack BC and Glace Bay NS (Glace Bay in on Cape Breton and this place was pretty boring because it is WAY the hell out there).

Oh, BTW Hawg... I can't believe that an upstanding citizen such as yourself would be keeping the company of such people that carry pot seeds.........sheesh.
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My friends took the seeds out of their quarter ounce o' weed before we went to Montreal.o:-) o:-)

[Hawg73]

Originally posted by pookie
Oh, BTW Hawg... I can't believe that an upstanding citizen such as yourself would be keeping the company of such people that carry pot seeds.........sheesh.
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*snark* - good thinking. That was a long time ago and I seem to have passed throught that phase with most of my brain cells intact.

That was the trip where I hid a stash off the highway in Vermont on the US side on the way up knowing we couldn't carry any back. My friends (DropKick was there I think) said I was nuts and we'd never find it - but I looked pretty smart when I remembered where it was and we had a much less boring drive home. So much for short term memory loss.

DropKick went to school in Montreal and we had a few interesting times up there. I've also been to Cape Breton and found it also a little boring but one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. I was single at the time and remarked to one of the locals that there didn't seem to be any young women around at all. He told me that when many of the girls turn 18 they move to Boston and New York to become hookers. D'oh! Who knew?

I love Canada and of the 50 or so Canadians I have talked to over the years haven't met a single A-hole (not including Montreal - they have plenty).

[pookie]

Originally posted by Hawg73

DropKick went to school in Montreal and we had a few interesting times up there. I've also been to Cape Breton and found it also a little boring but one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. I was single at the time and remarked to one of the locals that there didn't seem to be any young women around at all. He told me that when many of the girls turn 18 they move to Boston and New York to become hookers. D'oh! Who knew?

I love Canada and of the 50 or so Canadians I have talked to over the years haven't met a single A-hole (not including Montreal - they have plenty).

What were you doing up in Cape Breton? But you're right, it's gorgeous country. The little old weathered homes reminded me of parts of coastal Rhode Island. Our office up there overlooks the Atlantic and by-God they get some fierce storms!

I can't say enough good and some not so good about Montreal.... We had a blast in the red light district, if you will, but found ourselves in some parts of town in which Americans were hated. And the funny thing about the whole trip was that at the game there was another Bruins fan in the standing room section of the Forum with us that was screaming obsenities for the entire 1st and 2nd period. Once the 3rd period rolled around, it was evident that the locals were more than peturbed with this loud mouth Bostonian. My brother turned around and asked the guy to knock it off because he was making a fool of all of us. He continued with the cursing and screaming. My brother told him the shut the hell up. He screamed at my brother and came towards us. My brother punched him right in the jaw. Loudmouth got thrown out of the game half dazed with a big cut on the side of his face. We apologized to the locals, made nice and bought them a Blue. Oh, the memories!

[Hawg73]

I was on a camping trip and just looking around. It was kind of a mistake in retrospect - it was just too.....uhhh.....bucholic.

If Cape Breton was easier to get to it would probably be inundated with Taco Bells and Tim Horton's and loaded with tourists screwing it up. What a remote place it is, but I do recommend people see it if they go to Nova Scotia even if it is a two day drive from the ferry terminal.

Yes Montreal is a city of sin and I have been to St. Catherine street and some of the strip joints etc. I have had a few minor encounters the French meatheads that think that just because I'm in town for the weekend I need to speak fluent French. Screw those beret-wearing poofs and their Poulet Fritte a'la Kentuckie.

Je'mappel Hawg! Des saucisses sans doute!

There is a funny story involving a friend of mine that wanted to hire a hooker and needed my extremely limited French skills to negotiate for him. It didn't go well due to the language gap, in particular my using the word chien when I should have said chat and he ended up having a date that night with Marie L'palm and her five sisters.

He effed up - he trusted me.

Sounds to me like you hang out with a rowdy crowd, Pook.

[dropKickMurphy]

Originally posted by pookie
....But don't ever go to Canada for a short business trip and make the mistake of actually telling customs that you're entering Canada for business.... For Chrissakes, I thought I was an extra in Midnight Express, or whatever that drug smuggling movie was. Customs sent me to a "special" booth for questioning, then proceeded to take $150 (U.S.) from me for a temporary work visa. Of course they would not accept my company Amex either. It had to be as inconvenient and painful as possible for the business traveler so I had to give Dudley Doright my checking account bank card....

I had that exact same experience, right down to the interrogation chamber. I was working for a small software company a few years back. We sold some software to a company in Toronto, and as part of the deal I went there for a few days to help them install and configure it, and to train the users. I tried to explain this to the Mullet Gestapo, but they demanded to know why we hadn't tried to find a Canadian citizen to perform this task. Of course, the whole point of the farce was to extract $150 form my pocket.

[pookie]

Originally posted by Hawg73
Sounds to me like you hang out with a rowdy crowd, Pook.

Correction... I used to hang out with a rowdy crowd. Now, it's the same crowd, but we're dispersed all over the country and we're not so rowdy anymore. We're all 30 somethings, most are married and most have kids. So, these stories on this forum will have to be my looking glass to the past.

St Catherine's strip bars were some of the best. One particularly beautiful female was catering to the many Bruins fans in the joint. I ended up being the luckiest of all us, as she took my Bourque shirt off me and did naughty things with it. You can't imagine how many grown men came up and sniffed me that night!! I was loving life because I was just a teenager.

:D

[dropKickMurphy]

Originally posted by Hawg73
....I had the terrifying experience of being detained at the Canadian border because they found pot seeds in the car I was in. They let us go but not before scaring the crap out of us.....

Correction, cochon soixante treize. The seeds were discovered by the American officials during the crossing from Canada into the US. Perhaps you recall the reading the following sign (as the border guards proceeded to sift through every piece of luggage): We thank you for your patience. A drug-free United States is our goal.
The Canadian border guards were always a piece of cake. Hell sometimes we'd have to wake them up in their booth, then they'd wave us through. This must be where Hans Blix got his first job.

[pookie]

More support from our allies

Montreal fans boo Star Spangled Banner (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/news/2003/03/20/anthem_booed_ap/index.html?cnn=yes)

[jim_vh]

i hope george jr knows what he is doing. i heard a big bang last night.... it turned out to be thunder but i did check the weather on the internet to be sure. :confused:

[pookie]

Originally posted by FallingAlice
U.S. leadership has decided to do what it wants regardless of world opinion.

This being said, Americans should get used to hearing the world's displeasure. Or do we believe that only Americans have a right to our opinion and free speech?

Hmmm...come to think of it, those pesky Canadians are a little too full of themselves -- so much so that I feel threatened.

I think we should invade Canada.

Gee, where you been lady? We've missed you as of late. Were you in Montreal last night?;)

[pookie]

Originally posted by FallingAlice
By the way...has NoRespect contacted Austin about your moderator status? Or do I need to do that?

I'm not sure if he has or not, but one of you two better get off your rear-ends and get busy! :4321: o:-)

[BuckWild]

Originally posted by pookie
I'm not sure if he has or not, but one of you two better get off your rear-ends and get busy! :4321: o:-)

Oh no!!!!!

The pookster with moderator status?

This should be fun :D

Go get 'em pook!

BuckWild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dropKickMurphy]

Originally posted by FallingAlice

I think we should invade Canada.

Yeah, Baby! Shock and awe in Moose Jaw!

[Ottawapatty]

Originally posted by pookie
We had a blast in the red light district, if you will, but found ourselves in some parts of town in which Americans were hated.


Hey all,

Where to begin, where to begin. I was going to make a seperate post all together about the MTL boing fiasco, but I'd rather not give it any more attention than it has already gotten. I also took a Pookie quote here because it all ties into the same thing.

People in Mtl don't hate Americans per say, they hate Anglos. If you don't slur your words in a dying language or have a pair of frog legs hanging out of your back pocket they hate you. They have been fighting for "a distinct society" status for years. As I have stated before I am left-wing, but the right-wing side of my brain is thinking if you want a distict society try winning a fricking war what are the french like 2-13! Its embarrassing.I mean wouldn't you hate the English too if you had been completly controlled by them for your whole existance? Then again shouldn't they be grateful for us pulling their asses out of several wars. If the French were in the animal kingdom they would be like the Dodo -- gone. However, I have no resentment towards the fact I am over qualified for my job, but can't move up because my "Frog-ense" isn't strong enough to pass our official bilingual tests. It sucks (if any of you have an opening in media or communications or PR and want to sponsor me I'd love it)

As for the Montreal fiasco, don't worry! They are NOT anti-american it is just the bad blood boiling over from the Habs/Bruins rivalry. They can't beat you right now so they fire up the team making a run at your spot in the standings. (P.S. - GARTH SNOW'S PADS ARE ILLEGAL AS WELL CAN NOBODY ELSE SEE THAT). If you don't believe me check this out.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030321/SHOSI2//?query=Booing

Finally, I think they should do away with the singing of national anthems before games anyways. I mean it just doesn't mean as much as it once did. Especially in Canada when you watch a Jays game and they play the Canadian National Antheme for the entire American squad it just sorta weirds me out. Maybe that is just me! Well me and this guy,

http://www.canoe.ca/Slam020423/col_dallacosta-sun.html

This link also has some funny Canadian National Anthem incidents in it. I was almost on the floor thinking about the Las Vegas O Christmas Tree incident. I had forgot about that one.

Anyways, Until Next Time,

Matt

[pookie]

Originally posted by FallingAlice
I sent Austin a note.

The day of reckoning is nigh. Yikes. Why do I fear that we'll be creating a monster???

:eek:

Nah... I'm the nice new and improved pookie. I can still post girlie pics though, right?

[patsfan]

Originally posted by Ottawapatty

Do any of you care that Canada hasn't joined in this situation with Iraq. We have decided to follow the UN (for those of you that don't know).

We went with the UN too.......but then we realized that the UN will only pass resolutions and never make countries stick to them. The UN told Sadam "If you do this one more time, you're in trouble"........then Sadam does violates UN and the UN response is "If you do this one more time, you're in trouble" The UN is an impatent organization that has only one true good useful purpose, and that is providing humanitarian aide.

And yes, I am a pit peeved that Canada has not gone public in showing support for the coalition of 40 nations. You know what I find funny, the fact that the majority of countries opposed have not had terrorism hit home. The wold turns it's back until if affects them.

[Ottawapatty]

Hey,

I doubt you know who Don Cherry is, but he is a HUGE icon in Canada. He has a segment on Hockey Night in Canada. He is pro-fighting and pro-hockey! He is a former coach and player. Anyways here is an excerpt from his section on Saturday night hockey called Coaches Corner;

Coach's Corner

Here are the highlights of the exchange between Ron MacLean and Don Cherry on Hockey Night in Canada last Saturday. The seven-minute segment began with a shot of the crowd at the Air Canada Centre cheering the U.S. anthem.

Cherry: Do you think that will make CNN? I don't think so, it's only when those jerks in Quebec boo the national anthem. It was very embarrassing.

MacLean: Where do you want to go with this?

Cherry: I don't wanna go anywhere [with war commentary].

MacLean: Everybody wants to know what you think.

Cherry: I want to start off by apologizing to my American friends . . . It's tough situation when we're not there. God bless England and Tony Blair. The Australians. The chips are down and they are there. . . . We have a country here [United States] comes to our rescue.

MacLean: That doesn't mean we have to sell our souls.

Cherry: All they needed was a little royal help. I hate to see them go it alone.

MacLean: Why attack Iraq if Iraq hasn't attacked you or your allies.

Cherry: You are with your friends, right or wrong.

MacLean: I love the Americans and I wish them Godspeed, of course, and I wish the Iraqis all the best in getting out of this as quickly as possible. But as a Canadian we have to stand for ourselves sometime. . . . In a democracy you have a right to disagree or agree.

Cherry: You're either for them or against them. [United States] didn't want any troops. All we had to say is that when the chips are down, we back you.

MacLean: Peter Mansbridge is at the . . .

Cherry: Oh, Peter'll have something to say. He'll be neutral.

MacLean: Don't knock any of this.

Cherry: Come out one way or another. Don't sit on the fence. . . . And if anybody has a job for me Monday . . .

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030325/SHOTVN//?query=Cherry

The rest of the article can be viewed here.

Peas,

Matt

[pookie]

Originally posted by Ottawapatty
I doubt you know who Don Cherry is

You're kidding again, right Matt.... Not know who Don Cherry is!!!!???? 1979. Bruins head coach. Stanley Cup Finals, game 7. Bruins score the winning goal.... Wait! Too many men on the ice.... Bruins lose. Don Cherry fired.

I've seen his show many times while traveling up in Canada too... He's good. He's pretty rough around the edges and tells it like it he sees it.

He's also the owner of nice sports bar/restaraunt chain up there, eh?

[bideau]

Originally posted by Ottawapatty
Hey,

I doubt you know who Don Cherry is, but he is a HUGE icon in Canada. He has a segment on Hockey Night in Canada. He is pro-fighting and pro-hockey! He is a former coach and player.

Matt, I know your young, but a true Canadian would know that Don Cherry is one of the most popular Bruins coaches of all time. :p

He coached here in the late 70's and to this day is still cheered wildly when he's in Boston. His feud with Harry Sinden is legendary. Even most non-hockey fans in this area that are over the age of 35 know who he is.

[pookie]

Originally posted by bideau
Matt, I know your young, but a true Canadian would know that Don Cherry is one of the most popular Bruins coaches of all time. :p

He coached here in the late 70's and to this day is still cheered wildly when he's in Boston. His feud with Harry Sinden is legendary. Even most non-hockey fans in this area that are over the age of 35 know who he is.

That's correct bideau... even us hockey fans that are a smidge under 35 know Cherry. He was a great coach, but his tenure in Boston will live in infamy due to "the call".

[bideau]

Originally posted by pookie
You're kidding again, right Matt.... Not know who Don Cherry is!!!!???? 1979. Bruins head coach. Stanley Cup Finals, game 7. Bruins score the winning goal.... Wait! Too many men on the ice.... Bruins lose. Don Cherry fired.


Gotta be a little nit-picky here Pook. It was the semi-finals, game 7, B's are up by a goal with a minute to play in the Forum. Too many men on the ice. Habs score on the power play and go on to win in OT. They then beat the Islanders for the cup. I remember this well because I was dating a Canadian who's father was a rabid Montreal fan. He made my life miserable after that. That moment ranks up there with Bill Buckner.

[pookie]

Originally posted by bideau
Gotta be a little nit-picky here Pook. It was the semi-finals, game 7, B's are up by a goal with a minute to play in the Forum. Too many men on the ice. Habs score on the power play and go on to win in OT. They then beat the Islanders for the cup. I remember this well because I was dating a Canadian who's father was a rabid Montreal fan. He made my life miserable after that. That moment ranks up there with Bill Buckner.

Thank you for straightening me out. I was 11 at the time, but I really thought it was the finals.... Sheesh, kids...they think they know everything!:banghead:

Originally posted by FallingAlice
Matt. You're talking to people who live in New England, remember? Ice hockey is fairly popular around these parts. I think more than a few posters here know who Don Cherry is. He certainly is one of the great figures of ice hockey. But I wouldn't confuse Don Cherry with a political leader.

In any context other than those of the simplest of human relations such as a schoolyard or a hockey rink where loyalties are clear and objectives are simple, non-consequential and easily understood, this kind of thinking doesn't make the grade. It's a simple-minded way of viewing the world and helpful to no one. Don Cherry is not the one who will have to maintain order in Iraq, long-term.

I for one respect Cherry as a coach (check out his record with the B's), I like the fact that he speaks his mind, I appreciate his taste in dogs better than clothing, although he does have a definite sense of personal style, and I find his "with us or against us" sense of honor to be admirable.

You need people who will blindly follow simply as a matter of principle. As a battlefield mentality it is essential. (Witness the hand grenade thrown by an American Muslim soldier named "Akbar") You also need someone to be doing the thinking -- as in maybe he wasn't the one to guard the munitions. Rarely is foreign policy a bunch of guys in white hats and a bunch of guys in black hats doing battle at the OK Coral. If discriminating the enemy from civilians on the battlefield isn't that clear why should anything else be? I find it ironic that people cry foul over Iraqi guerrilla tactics as if they are going to get in line to be shot like, for instance the British at Yorktown. Patriots vs Loyalists. Hmmm, what were they loyal to? It was nice of the Brittish to wear those red coats with a white cross on their chests wasn't it; always the thoughtful imperialist. I seem to remember every history book I ever read as characterizing them as clinging foolishly to ceremony while the Americans were clever and inventive.

For the very reason that I admire Cherry (self-respect) I also admire the nations that haven't bowed to pressure. That takes some serious cajones to challenge the US in this day and age, especially given the economic pressure that the US can impose. People that have denounced the booing of the national anthem forget that it isn't THEIR national anthem.

[pookie]

Originally posted by FallingAlice
Ah yes, the young man with the...how was it described? Attitude problem.

Has there been a determination as to what Akbar's motive was?

[dropKickMurphy]

Originally posted by bideau
Gotta be a little nit-picky here Pook. It was the semi-finals, game 7, B's are up by a goal with a minute to play in the Forum. Too many men on the ice. Habs score on the power play and go on to win in OT. They then beat the Islanders for the cup.....


Speaking of nit-picking, here goes:
It was the Rangers, not the Islanders, who lost to Montreal in the '79 finals.

I don't think anyone really knows who played in the finals in '79. It is one of those great unsolved mysteries. Ranks up there with who shot JR.


Originally posted by pookie
Has there been a determination as to what Akbar's motive was?

There have been the usual insightful comments provided by people who claim to know him: "he was quite and polite, kept to himself, etc."

Do they give these people a script or something. Maybe they are reading from a game program for the '79 NHL finals...?

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/5476149.htm

[pookie]

I'll probably get yelled at for this, but......

Originally posted by pookie
I'll probably get yelled at for this, but......


Yelled at? Really Pook, You must not think much of the free speech afforded by this forum. She is perfectly qualified to represent the blonde, upper middle class, suburban viewpoint on the war.

The Gap: When you really feel like protesting, say it fashionably dressed with a bare midriff.

There. Now we can both get yelled at.

[pookie]

Originally posted by NoRespect
Yelled at? Really Pook, You must not think much of the free speech afforded by this forum. She is perfectly qualified to represent the blonde, upper middle class, suburban viewpoint on the war.

The Gap: When you really feel like protesting, say it fashionably dressed with a bare midriff.

There. Now we can both get yelled at.


ROFL
True...true. Do you suppose she pulled up her shirt and hiked her pants down just a bit for that dramatic protesting look? Maybe a gas mask would've added to the look a little.

[bideau]

Originally posted by NoRespect
Yelled at? Really Pook, You must not think much of the free speech afforded by this forum. She is perfectly qualified to represent the blonde, upper middle class, suburban viewpoint on the war.

The Gap: When you really feel like protesting, say it fashionably dressed with a bare midriff.

There. Now we can both get yelled at.

I've always heard that a war rally is a great place to meet chicks. This just reinforces the idea.

Originally posted by pookie
ROFL
True...true. Do you suppose she pulled up her shirt and hiked her pants down just a bit for that dramatic protesting look? Maybe a gas mask would've added to the look a little.


She is modelling the spring line of "protest-wear" -- Relaxed yet fashionable with the right amount of skin to get you noticed.

Notice the pre-printed poster? For the ultimate in convenience come to SpeakMyMind.com We have all the modern protesting gear for the coed on the go, mass produced with a thought that is surely your own....

[pookie]

Originally posted by FallingAlice

On a related note, I assume everyone on PatsPlanet has heard about the large contingent of Iraqi soldiers with a 1,000 vehicles on its way to meet our troops. As far as I can tell, our troops have been prevented from advancing from sandstorms as well as a lack of munitions, oil and other supplies resulting from that sandstorm.

I have to say, that news made me downright queasy.

Yes.... Haven't heard for sure if this is a planned offensive or reinforcements for the depleted Republican Guard on the front line that have been hit hard by air attacks. I did hear that the 1000 vehicles are mostly trucks (not tanks and armor), so that points to more of a defensive reinforcements front than an offensive. We'll find out tonight. I'm sure that recon has been done and if they're looking at an attack on our tired troops, then they'll bring in heavy air support. The sandstorms have let up some, they say. But it makes me queasy too.

[pookie]

Sung to that popular Sesame Street score (I think it was Sesame Street)....

One of these things just aint like the other. One of these things just isn't the same...........

Hmmmm. Daschle seems to be an old pro at this silly pledge of allegiance thing, huh?

Originally posted by FallingAlice
Who's yelling?

Frankly, I'm both a little surprised and disappointed in the two of you that you haven't found a picture of Anna Kournikova holding a "Shut the F*ck Up France!!" Poster.

I think France has every right to have a political stance that is different from that of the American administration. After all last I checked they were a sovereign nation? I fully support their right to dissent. Anything else smacks of an American-centric view of the world that just doesn't exist except in the provincial minds of many Americans.

Why is it that no one seems upset with the Russians? Is it that they can do no wrong now that they have given us Anna? :D

[Patman12]

Originally posted by NoRespect
I think France has every right to have a political stance that is different from that of the American administration. After all last I checked they were a sovereign nation? I fully support their right to dissent. Anything else smacks of an American-centric view of the world that just doesn't exist except in the provincial minds of many Americans.

Why is it that no one seems upset with the Russians? Is it that they can do no wrong now that they have given us Anna? :D

This whole situation is soooooo convoluted. America obviously has interests that go beyond humanity, homeland defense, and liberation of an oppressed society. But just as muddled are the reasons as to why France, Germany, and Russia are all so fiercely opposed.

Do France and Germany protest so much because they have huge money tied up in oil well leases that could be lit on fire at any point? Are France and Germany worried that their supplying of chemicals to Iraq will be uncovered? Are France, Germany, and Russia nervous because munitions, GPS jamming devices, and night vision goggles have been illegally furnished to the Iraqis? Hard to say but before anybody accuses the United States and the UK of underhanded dealings, they best take a look at the motivations of the major opponents to the war.

[Patman12]

Daschle does this because he has no heart. ;)

Hey Pook:

Check out where your little "warrior" gets her pre-printed protest placards:

http://www.protestwarrior.com/


"Welcome to ProtestWarrior.com, a website created to help arm the liberty-loving Silent Majority with ammo -- ammo that strikes at the intellectual solar plexus of the Left. "

It strikes at our INTELLECTUAL SOLAR-PLEXUS!


What a joke. ROFL

[pookie]

Originally posted by NoRespect
Hey Pook:

Check out where your little "warrior" gets her pre-printed protest placards:

http://www.protestwarrior.com/


"Welcome to ProtestWarrior.com, a website created to help arm the liberty-loving Silent Majority with ammo -- ammo that strikes at the intellectual solar plexus of the Left. "

It strikes at our INTELLECTUAL SOLAR-PLEXUS!


If you and Alice would start Sweating to the Oldies, those shots to the intellectual solar plexus wouldn't hurt so much.;)

That site is pretty damn ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as your Michael Moore's web site. His speech the other night was touching, no? An anthem for all true Americans.

Originally posted by pookie
If you and Alice would start Sweating to the Oldies, those shots to the intellectual solar plexus wouldn't hurt so much.;)

That site is pretty damn ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as your Michael Moore's web site. His speech the other night was touching the other night, no?


I love Moore's comedy. However, he picked an unfortunate time to make a political statement. Moore's movies are political in nature so his comments shouldn't have been a great surprise to anyone. What surprised me is that Hollywood reacted as they did.

[pookie]

Originally posted by NoRespect
I love Moore's comedy. However, he picked an unfortunate time to make a political statement. Moore's movies are political in nature so his comments shouldn't have been a great surprise to anyone. What surprised me is that Hollywood reacted as they did.


Be sure to visit his mentally challenged website at michaelmoore.com. He begs Americans to email President Bush and ask him not to use nuclear weapons in Iraq.

When did nuking Iraq become an option or an issue for the anti-Bush people? Was there a mention of nuking them? I gotta believe that part of the humanitarian piece of this campaign and trying to liberate the Iraqi people did not include nuclear weapons. That would kind of contradict the humanitarian piece. This guy is a real winner and I'm glad he's being slaughtered in the media.... He thought he was creative, a trend setter ..now he's the laughing stock of the country! I would have no problem with the U.S. sending him to 'hang' with Saddam and his boyz.

[Ottawapatty]

Originally posted by Patman12
Daschle does this because he has no heart. ;)


Daschle does this because he has had a hand superimposed on by a right-wing Art's College drop-out who failed Photoshop.

:thumb:


Matt

[Ottawapatty]

Originally posted by pookie
Almost as ridiculous as your Michael Moore's web site. His speech the other night was touching, no? An anthem for all true Americans.


Actually, I kinda think it was an anthem for all TRUE Americans. Not that I agree with anything he said, but in the fact that your country is all about freedom? Trust me I can't sit through an hour of TV without hearing this three or four times, so it must be true eh :) ! Anyway America (like Canada) is a great place to live because it gives you the chance to speak your mind regardless of the amount you actually use. I am probably going to be losing all credibility here because I am quoting a sock, actually a Canadian sock speaking about what it is like to be an American (even > credibility) but,

"However, that doesn't let the American public off the hook either. Americans talk tough about preserving free speech, but then persecute and vilify people who put that freedom to the test. Respecting free speech means respecting that people have a right to express their opinions, popular or not. It seems funny that the crowd that's gung-ho to go to war to (ahem) "protect freedom" is the same crowd that shows freedom the least respect at home.

The most egregious example of this comes from the New York Post, who last week took it upon itself to publish a list naming prominent actors who have spoken out against the war, and encouraging people to boycott their work. Think about this - a newspaper, an entity which owes it's very existence to the American first amendment right to free speech, encouraging readers to punish others who have exercised their right to free speech. That's like Anna Nicole urging a boycott of breast implants . Add to this the fact that the Post is a low-end gossip rag which publishes an amalgam of half-truths and rumours while using the first amendment as protection, and you realize we're truly living on Bizarro world.

Freedom of speech isn't intended to protect popular speech, its worth is in protecting unpopular speech. It's at its best when it's being tested, when speech provokes thought, debate and a general sense of discomfort. Freedom itself is like a muscle - if you don't exercise it, it atrophies. Or, to put it more colloquially, use it or lose it.

And that's why what's really disturbing is the number of Americans who characterize fellow citizens who oppose the war as "un-American". That's a bunch of CRAP. America is founded on the notion of free speech, resistance to state coercion and individual rights…all rights that the protestors are utilizing. They're the ones breathing life into American ideals. What's truly a violation of American values is to blindly support government or try to do anything to suppress individual rights and freedom of speech. Vocalizing dissent is American, falling into lockstep with the government is un-American. Check your history books. I'm all for truth, justice and the American Way, I just wish more Americans understood what it meant. It's enough to make Superman cry."

Ed the Sock


The rest of his Ed-itorial can be read here http://www.muchmusic.com/tv/bigwhambam/editorials/
it actually does a good job of displaying what Canadian's do best. We have an unequaled ability to sit on a fence regardless of which way the winds of change tend to blow. It's kinda a neat sport to watch. Anyway, I am starting a new thread about this sock character so as not to detract from any of the great debate here.

Matt

[pookie]

Originally posted by Ottawapatty
Actually, I kinda think it was an anthem for all TRUE Americans. Not that I agree with anything he said, but in the fact that your country is all about freedom?
Matt

Not this TRUE American Matt. I prefer to call it hypocritical and abuse of freedom. That guy is the epitomy of the big mouth, Hollywood, know nothings that protest the war but really don't give a crap about the men and women that are fighting over there so they can have their foo foo awards ceremony with EXTRA SECURITY, so nobody can get near them.. Then, almost in the same breath, they give a standing ovation to, honor and present awards to Roman Polanski, a rapist of a 13 year old girl.

[Ottawapatty]

Originally posted by pookie
awards ceremony with EXTRA SECURITY, so nobody can get near them.. Then, almost in the same breath, they give a standing ovation to, honor and present awards to Roman Polanski, a rapist of a 13 year old girl.


ROFL


Not this TRUE American Matt. As a true American you have to respect that he gets his own opinion despite his poor timing and I am sure what you would call a lack of brain activity. That is what I meant. Not that he is right, but that him thinking he is right and you finding that painfully amusing is what makes you both TRUE American's.

However, I really like Mr. Moore. I think his films are great, unquestionably biased, but well produced. However, I would have to use the c-word with him. He is cowardly. Wow he gives this big speech about a fictitious President to a room aptly described by Steve Martin, "[Actors] can be tall or short, thin or skinny," he said. "They can be Democrats, or ..." he paused, his voice trailing off, "or skinny."

See I like Mr. Moore (mostly because I agree with him on a lot of topics), but he is a coward. He only preaches to the converted. Its like you can tell the only reason the academy voted him to win is so he could have a semi-national forum to spout his beliefs and the only reason he spouted his beliefs is so that he could be patted on the back later on at one of the parties. The only people who watch his movies already have their minds made up and agree with him or disagree and are in search of ammo against him.

On that note I find it amusing that celebs are all against the war and are sympathetic to Iraq, especially the women. I mean if anyone should be pissed it is the people who work at Starbucks. These people get lavished with attention and money for doing nothing. If these people (again especially the women) lived in Iraq they would get paid .04 a day for picking the lice out of a yak's ass. I mean these people would go from top rung to bottom rung on the ladder so fast, yet they are sympathizing with the Iraqi culture. It is just interesting. Wow that was rambley . . . sorry!

Matt